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Most atheists do not know what science says about our origins

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joobz said:
The evidence of the ape common ancestor is fairly well established.

BTW, I've sat in on talks doing comparitive biology of antioxidant enzymes, and you be amazed at how well simalarities of an enzyme like superoxide dismutase fits into the heirarchy of species already established. It's a beautiful thing. It allows us to know which part of the enzyme is truly needed(typically part of the active center), because these sequences don't change from speices to speices. Presumably becuase any mutation in this area would result in inactivation of function and thereby kill of that species. (this works only for enzymes which are truly critical for survival like superoxide dismutase).
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Hox genes too-- way cool. Unless you get upset at having common ancestry with flies.

Or worms: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070420104758.htm

(Yes, the common ancestor between us and the cephalopods are worms.)

(and look what we get from our hydra ancestors... http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=110443&org=NSF&from=news too bad DOC believes his salvation is at stake should he get to learn the cool facts.)

(Of course who are you going to trust...scientists and facts like the above or Answer-in-genesis and Doc)?--Which has the less of absurdity and the more evidence? Hmmmm)
 
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Doc...here's another simple query for you to ignore like you regularly do.

If evolution, for some reason, just actually happened to be true--would you want to know? How do you imagine you would come to find out about it? Would you be interested in the latest discoveries by science if they could prove to your satisfaction that they were absolutely true? If we had a common ancestor with a worm--would that fascinate you or freak you out knowing so?

You just seem so sadly incurious about new discoveries and so bizarrely certain you know all there is to know--you seem to have a need to affirm this view by preaching to others as a means of bolstering this conviction. When facts are on your side, you don't need to preach or have faith, you know.
 
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articulett said:
...too bad DOC believes his salvation is at stake...
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For some reason I first read that as "too bad DOC believes his salivation is at stake..."

Which may just be true.

DOC reminds me of a poster on another forum that I frequent who keeps saying that the "proof" of evolution depends on us having a complete set of graduated transitional fossils. We keep pointing out that evolution would still be effectively demonstrated (of not actually "proven" by a strict definition of the word) if we had no fossils at all. He seems to think Origin of Species is predicated entirely on the fossil record, and that evolution is predicated entirely on Origin of Species.

And when we point out the facts, with supporting references, he digs in his heels, sticks his fingers in his ears and repeats the same tired old argument "where are the fossils"?

There's no learning going on, no finding out new information, no allowing evidence to stand, it's just "LALALAICAN'THEARYOUWHEREAREALLTHEFOSSILS" over and over again.

That's what DOC reminds me of.
 
DOC said:
I strongly disagree. Since there are no figures or polls as to how many people knew that humans evolved from bacteria (according to science), one can only estimate from one's experience. In my opinion no more than 10% at the most of atheists know man evolved from bacteria (a to s).

An I would also estimate no more than 3% , at most, of the world's population know that according to science man evolved from bacteria.

We just hear mostly about man coming from apes. And I believe that is possibly because it is a better sell.
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So?
 
wollery said:
So, just how many atheists do you know?
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Well, I know joobz from his posts and I'd be willing to bet that joobz did not know that man evolved from reptiles. I'm not saying it in a condescending way. Because I'm sure others in here (including myself) did not know that man evolved (a to s) from reptiles. Sure most educated people have heard of evolution, but what I'm saying is that many atheists believe in the science of evolution, while knowing very little about the specifics.

One poster earlier made a big deal that I was trying to trick people. That's a joke and completely false. If people want to be atheists that's your free will decision. I'm just saying I don't believe many atheists and agnostics know what science says about how we evolved from bacteria, then later fish, and than later reptiles. If you did know that, or know that now, and still believe the same about religion, that's your free will decision. But I do believe there are some people that don't know (completely) what science says about evolution and are basing their decision about God on incomplete information.
 
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Someone in here said I don't care about the truth. Once again that's a joke. Why would I bring in the hundreds of facts I do if I didn't care about the truth. Maybe a few of my 900 posts haven't been completely accurate, but if you think something I said is inaccurate just look it up for yourself.

And if you don't like my threads then stay out of them. It's quite simple. The rudeness I've experienced and others have seen. Probably does more to turn others off against non religious beliefs than anything I could ever say.
 
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AudioFreak said:
Because that's the one people talk about most. The ties between apes and humans is an active area of interest for scientists and is fueled in other areas by the ever-so-popular "I ain't no monkey" chant from the creationist camp. I'm also gonna go out on a limb and say there's probably more that can be learned about humans by studying closer relatives than speculating about Chad.
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Actually, of course, they are right about not being monkeys. They are, rather, chumps descended from a common ancestor of us'n'chimps!!
 
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DOC said:
Someone in here said I don't care about the truth. Once again that's a joke. Why would I bring in the hundreds of facts I do if I didn't care about the truth. Maybe a few of my 900 posts haven't been completely accurate, but if you think something I said is inaccurate just look it up for yourself.
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um... we have brought up the inaccuracies in what you have said. Lots. That you don't care to improve on your inaccuracies does mean that you don't care about the truth. If you did, you would correct yourself.
 
DOC said:
Well, I know joobz from his posts and I'd be willing to bet that joobz did not know that man evolved from reptiles. I'm not saying it in a condescending way.
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Your bet is that joobz didn't know that we shared a common ancestor with reptiles? I'll take that bet. :D
 
DOC said:
Well, I know joobz from his posts...
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And you're sure that Joobz is an atheist?

...and I'd be willing to bet that joobz did not know that man evolved from reptiles.
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How much?

I'm not saying it in a condescending way. Because I'm sure others in here (including myself) did not know that man evolved (a to s) from reptiles.
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So because you were until recently ignorant of a major aspect of evolutionary theory you find it convenient to assume that most atheists must be as well.

Sure most educated people have heard of evoltion,...
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As have most uneducated people.

...but what I'm saying is that many atheists believe in the science aspect of creation, while knowing very little about the specifics
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You're saying it, but you're still offering no evidence to support this assertion. You've claimed that most atheists are ignorant of the fact that evolutionary theory states that all life on Earth is related. But all you've demonstrated is that you were ignorant of this fact.

But I do believe there are some people that don't know (completely) what science says about evolution and are basing their decision about God on incomplete information.
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You've demonstrated that this statement applies to you.

Maybe a few of my 900 posts haven't been completely accurate, but if you think something I said is inaccurate just look it up for yourself.
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That's some white-hot irony there.
 
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Surely anyone who took O-level biology or their local equivalent knows about the great tree of life?
 
DOC said:
Someone in here said I don't care about the truth. Once again that's a joke. Why would I bring in the hundreds of facts I do if I didn't care about the truth. Maybe a few of my 900 posts haven't been completely accurate, but if you think something I said is inaccurate just look it up for yourself.

And if you don't like my threads then stay out of them. It's quite simple.
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Oh dear, dear, dear!!! First rule of threads in open fora - you do not get to decide who can look at your thread, post on your thread or rip lies up one side and down the other on your threads (as has been done an awful lot on yours for some obscure reason).
 
Ok everyone. The house is still taking bets. The Vic is 10%. We'll close all bets at 5pm EST.

DOC, nice sucker bet set up. I'll finally be able to afford that golden crucifix I've been eyeinig. BWA HA HA HA HA HA!!!*


*I got to stop typing out my inner dialog and evil laugh.
 
Crossbow said:
What about that article?

I sure did not see anything in the article which stated that everything living thing on Earth now originated from one, single form of life (which is what 'DOC' was originally claimed).

If this is not the case, then please point out where it does.
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If you are an atheist and you found out that all plants and animals did originate from one single cell (according to science) would it matter.
 
Mashuna said:
Your bet is that joobz didn't know that we shared a common ancestor with reptiles? I'll take that bet. :D
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NO, my bet is that joobz (and many others for that matter) did not know humans evolved (specifically) from reptiles. The common ancestor was bacteria than to invertebrates (such as jellyfish) than later fish, than later reptiles, than eventually humans.
 
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