Wow! Gary Schwartz the con man?

[workerbee]

ps: I spoke with Knopf this morning, he knows I am posting this. He is not following any of these posts; so I told him about them. His exact words about the document were, "go ahead and let them try to compare my document with the U of A's copy, they will find the exact same copy."


-workerbee

 

[workerbee]

Yes, you are correct Steve, it is a little over a half page of the 7 page document. I will be happy to put it into better context for you if there is something you do not understand.

-workerbee

 

[workerbee]

From page 4 of the document: This section is entitled: THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT I NEED IF I AM TO BECOME AN ACTIVE PARTNER WITH PAUL

Again everyone, this is in Schwartz's own voice to Michael and his wife.

"When I telephoned Laurie after that fateful shower. I asked her to ask Paul the same questions I asked Paul in the shower. When her answers validated my own experiences, I then asked her two more questions (1) Did Paul want to help his family heal "from the other side" and (2) Did Paul want me to serve with him to bring his "Forever Green" message (as verbalized by Michael) to the world?

Paul's answers were simple-two yes's, with detailed explaination.

I then discussed with Laurie the reality of what it would mean if the "famous" Professor Gary E. Schwartz was to come out of the closet and say publicaly that it was Paul Allan Knopf that pushed him off the fence, and moreover, that he was personally and scientifically taking on the responsibility of helping Paul grow as well as enabling Paul to bring his envoronmental message to the world.

If I am to do this-of I am to stand up and be counted in the paradigm shifting way-both the work and me personally must be protected. I must have the prestige and resources to do this right.

How can this be achieved? Below is the way.

You must decide, as a family, that you are ready to live "honesty with forgiveness" and that you will serve as a healing role model for the world. Moreover, you must DEVOTE A PORTION OF YOUR SIGNIFICANT RESOURCES to protecting the work (and me personally) so I can safely and effectively represent the reality of your son's continued presence in the world................."

This was written just 2 months after Pauls' passing.

-workerbee

 

[SteveGrenard]

Yes, you are correct Steve, it is a little over a half page of the 7 page document. I will be happy to put it into better context for you if there is something you do not understand.

-workerbee

It's so everybody understands, not necessarily just me. Here's GS' response on the contextual issue:

By copying a few sentences out of context, the reader does not recognize:

(1) I did NOT (and do NOT) claim to be a medium. I never have. However, I have admitted for years to having "personal sporadic intuitions" (which I now call P.S.I.) especially in showers....

I have written about some of my personal sporadic intuitions in The G.O.D. Experiments. Also, in both of my books on afterlife research I talk about how anyone, in theory, has the potential to at times have intuitions which may be valid. Nothing is being hid here....

(2) That whatever sporadic experiences I may have had in the shower related to the son, I sought formal confirmation and extension with Mr. Knopf's preferred medium, Laurie Campbell (also part of the letter)....It was Laurie's confirmations and extensions that led me to share some shower experiences in that letter....I shared the sporadic intuitions as a way of conveying that it was possible that only trained and confirmed mediums could get information related to their son, but open-minded individuals could potentially obtain relevant information as well....and someday, they might be able to do the same....

Mr. Knopf was in continuous contact with Laurie at that time....She was giving him all kinds of advice purportedly from his son....SHE WAS HIS MEDIUM....What I tried to do was put into words the kinds of thoughts that popped into my head when I imagined asking the son questions in my head in the shower....

I give two examples of personal sporadic intuition in The G.O.D. Experiments book - you should read it. I describe how I asked the Universe a question (once at Yale, later at the University of Arizona, and received information that could verify....

However, because I have personal sporadic intuitions does not make me a medium or a psychic....I can not do these things on command....I do not seek to do readings for people, etc....

Just as you can take out of context that the University of Arizona accepted funds from Mr. Knopf, you can take out of context that I had intuitions about his son that I tried to put into words in a letter....

The key point is what I said in my statement on my website. It was only information from the medium, Laurie Campbell, that I took seriously and conveyed to Mr. Knopf about what his son might be wishing....

I am sharing this with you as a friend....You can quote it if you like....It disturbs me that people are leaking so-called evidence, out of context, to make their fallacious case....

Again, for the record, you should explain that I do not hide that I have an intuitive side. I have acknowledged this openly in The G.O.D. Experiments book. However, I am EXTRAORDINARILY CAUTIOUS about making claims about my own sporadic intuitions - as this book clearly states....

People should read The G.O.D. Experiments book....I have nothing to hide here....

But I will allow people to make the claim that I pass myself off as a medium or psychic....I merely play with intuitions....And I encourage open minded and open hearted people to do the same....

Blessings, Gary

What is particularly interesting whether Gary realizes it or not his is revelation that Mr. Knopf was in almost continuous contact with Laurie Campbell. Do you happen to know what the cost of that might be?

 

[workerbee]

Oh, I see. Laurie Campbell's reply of a simple "yes" in reply to Dr. Schwartz was enough to send him thinking he was receiving information from Paul Knopf....hmmmmm.....sounds more like a racket to me.

On a different topic, I do think it is ironic that Sr. Schwartz is getting so up in arms about these "out of context" posts, when he did this so voraciously to Ms. DuBois in his unauthorized publication of THE TRUTH ABOUT MEDIUM....he took one of Ms. DuBois's e-mails "OUT OF CONTEXT" and published it as though it gave him permission (Allison's permission) to write the book.....talk about an OUT OF CONTEXT KING....KARMA DR. Schwartz??? Poor baby!

 

[workerbee]

What is particularly interesting whether Gary realizes it or not his is revelation that Mr. Knopf was in almost continuous contact with Laurie Campbell. Do you happen to know what the cost of that might be?

What are you implying here Steve? That LC milked MK for as much dough as possible....LC does not work that way....I know the details, but it is really none of your business, and really only their business....this is another attempt by you to deflect the attention away from the real issues at hand.

 

[schlitt]

Oh, so GS is not psychic, he just has intuitions in the shower. Finally a rational explanation.

It is extremely annoying that people so defficient in some areas can still be competent enough in other areas to make there way up to a respectable position, where they can then project their defficiencies onto other people via their assumed authority.
The level of incompetence shown in "The afterlife experiments" is truly astonishing.

 

[CFLarsen]

I have spoken to Dr. Schwartz regarding the leak of this text hereon. For one thing this is not a document, it is probably the equivalent of less than 1/2 of one page of a seven page document and according to Schwartz is taken out of context. As soon as he provides me with more on this, which involves him referring to Campbell's contact with Knopf's son, I will post it.

Not so fast, Steve.

You said earlier:

The only proposal letter Mr. Knopf received is from the University of Arizona. It was allegedly the prop he waved around on air. It was a proposal for him to endow a Chair at the University and was sent at his request. No I have not seen the letter other than as a prop being waved by Mr. Knopf in his video performance and only know the subject matter, which I just told you, not the details of what it is says. Mr. Knopf needs to produce the letter so that everyone can read it to see if what he said it contains and what it actually contains are the same thing.Mr. Knopf has gone on the record that the letter on UA letterhead says they are asking him for 3.5 million to establish a business in the afterlife for his son Paul. If true it is egregious. Problem is it isn't true. Let Mr. Knopf prove it is if he can.

There is no other letter from GS or UA to Knopf.

Yet, you now say that Schwartz admits that there is, in fact, a letter from Schwartz to Knopf. And it is certainly not a letter from the University of Arizona to Knopf, which Schwartz had nothing to do with.

You also said earlier:

LCL: Did Schwartz claim to have talked to Michael Knopf's dead son?

2. No. He discussed Campbell having done so. She's the medium. In fact Knopf asked Campbell to be introduced to Schwartz for the very purpose of discussing the alleged ADCs with his son.

Schwartz did, in fact, talk to Michael Knopf's dead son:

(1) I did NOT (and do NOT) claim to be a medium. I never have. However, I have admitted for years to having "personal sporadic intuitions" (which I now call P.S.I.) especially in showers....

Schwartz can call it "P.S.I." all he likes, and deny mediumistic capabilities. But it is clear that he does, in fact, claim to be able to speak to dead people.


Either you lied - or Schwartz has not been telling you the truth.

Yes, you are correct Steve, it is a little over a half page of the 7 page document. I will be happy to put it into better context for you if there is something you do not understand.

Please provide the whole text, or better, scan it. We will then go through each section and have Schwartz - through Steve Grenard - explain just what goes on.

What is particularly interesting whether Gary realizes it or not his is revelation that Mr. Knopf was in almost continuous contact with Laurie Campbell. Do you happen to know what the cost of that might be?

What is particularly interesting whether Schwartz (or yourself) realizes it or not is his revelation that:

1) Schwartz did, in fact, send a letter to Knopf.

2) Schwartz did, in fact, claim to talk to Michael Knopf's dead son.

Let's talk about the letter, Steve. And what Schwartz now admits that he did.

 

[SteveGrenard]

If this in fact are two separate letters and not one letter then let that be shown. In the meantime I suggest that workerbee do as you suggest Claus and scan a copy of the full document, all 7 pages, and the envelope would be nice also if available, and send that to you Claus, electronically and then you can put a readable copy on your website.

 

[workerbee]

Here is the exact introduction of the letter, which leads right into the section that I have already posted entitled, MONDAY's SURPRISING SHOWER.

I have been given permission to post the entire document by Michael Knopf; however there are 2 problems at the moment. I only have a hard copy, and no scanning ability, which can be overcome with a little time; but the more significant reason is that a major Arizona paper has expressed interest in covering the story, they may want an "exclusive" for their article. I will call the reporter today and try to find out if they will have a problem with my posting this. Also, you all should know this is a much BIGGER story than this letter.......MUCH BIGGER......as you will learn soon.

Okay, here is it:

"Dear Michael and Norma,

Thank you for a heartwarming and enlightening weekend. I especially thank Paul for forcing me to come face to face with the choice I must make at the ultimate fork in the road. Paul, Laurie, and you are forcing me to make what might be described as the ultimate choice.

The combination of the data provided to you (and to me) from Laurie, plus my own personal experiences related to Paul, have led me to conclude not only that the essence of Paul is still here, but that he forcefully wants (and deeply needs) to continue to grow as a living soul. And moreover, that under the right conditions-and I underscore the "right conditions"- that I must help him, actively.

I feel Paul's mission of "Forever Green" in my heart and soul, and that I must do everything in my power to foster this mission in the "right way."

This is a difficult letter for me to write, because I must be frank with you about a few matters that may be painful. The conclusions expressed in this letter are the result of my extensive conversations with the two of you, plus two remarkable "conversations" with Paul in two separate SHOWERS, and subsequent conversation with Paul through Laurie."

-workerbee

 

[CFLarsen]

If this in fact are two separate letters and not one letter then let that be shown. In the meantime I suggest that workerbee do as you suggest Claus and scan a copy of the full document, all 7 pages, and the envelope would be nice also if available, and send that to you Claus, electronically and then you can put a readable copy on your website.

Will you post Schwartz's comments and answers to the questions that invariably will arise?

 

[SteveGrenard]

Will you post Schwartz's comments and answers to the questions that invariably will arise?

Anything I've gotten, along with GS' permission to repost I have shared here. You know that.
This would not be any different.

 

[CFLarsen]

Anything I've gotten, along with GS' permission to repost I have shared here. You know that.
This would not be any different.

How about Schwartz coming here and defend himself?

 

[SteveGrenard]

How about Schwartz coming here and defend himself?

Since he has to vet whatever he says in response (and has done so up to now) I do not believe he can get into a Q&A with you or anyone else. The next response you get will be a longer formal written one which he says he will place on his website. When that becomes available I will provide the URL and, if I have permission, repost it here for the record.

 

[CFLarsen]

Since he has to vet whatever he says in response (and has done so up to now) I do not believe he can get into a Q&A with you or anyone else.

Ask him if he wants to join here.

The next response you get will be a longer formal written one which he says he will place on his website. When that becomes available I will provide the URL and, if I have permission, repost it here for the record.

Why would you not get permission to post the URL here?

Who would not permit it?

 

[tkingdoll]

Ask him if he wants to join here.



Why would you not get permission to post the URL here?

Who would not permit it?

I think he means permission to post the entire text, not the URL.

 

[RSLancastr]

(Quoting a purported GS document)
'Given the complex history of your (Paul's) family, and my need to bring this work to the world with humility and integrity, what do you (Paul) want me to do?'

When someone makes a big deal about how much humility and integrity they have: hide your wallet and run for the nearest exit.

If this is indeed an accurate quote of Schwartz's words, it is a huge red flag to me.

 

[SteveGrenard]

I think he means permission to post the entire text, not the URL.

Correct

 

[SteveGrenard]

When someone makes a big deal about how much humility and integrity they have: hide your wallet and run for the nearest exit.

If this is indeed an accurate quote of Schwartz's words, it is a huge red flag to me.

If not an accurate quote, it is an accurate reflection. Gary has been plagued by accusations of fudging his results. Some people ignore such critcism, Gary doesn't. Witness the exchange between him and Hyman in The Skeptical Inquirer awhile back. He has responded to this by over-emphasizing and defending the veracity of the work and allows that to become his personal mantra as well.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion Bob. I would tend to feel the same way were I not familiar with the history that has provoked this.

 

[Curnir]

If not an accurate quote, it is an accurate reflection. Gary has been plagued by accusations of fudging his results. Some people ignore such critcism, Gary doesn't. Witness the exchange between him and Hyman in The Skeptical Inquirer awhile back. He has responded to this by over-emphasizing and defending the veracity of the work and allows that to become his personal mantra as well.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion Bob. I would tend to feel the same way were I not familiar with the history that has provoked this.

Oh poor Gary, being accused of fudging results. (I wonder why )

Oh and tell him that the 'I am not a medium but I sometimes talk to dead people whilst in the shower' is a great schtick.