Why is homosexuality wrong?

[joobz]

“Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression...” (Isaiah 58:1)

That's actually a common mistake
the original text was supposed to say

"Cry aloud, spare not as ye lift my trumpet to thy voice and shower my people with my transmissions ...."

 

[bruto]

There is no longer any Biblical restriction placed on those that would feast on lobster as we are not required to live our lives according to Leviticus and those were only instructions for the ancient Israelities anyway, but homosexuality is still a sin because it is also mentioned unfavorably in the New Testament.

Transvestism, which sadly is running amok in today's society amongst our women thanks in no small part to the evil feminazi movement, is still a horrendous abomination. Women should not wear pants because men don't wear dresses.

"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God." - Deuteronomy 22:5.

In a single post, you have just stated that the new covenant makes Old Testament law unnecessary when it's a law you don't like, and then pulled a law out of Deuteronomy to justify a stupid clothing rule. Do you have no shame at all?

 

[Ladewig]

XenonII's mind is so closed that he won't consider the possibility that the statistics he quoted are fictious, so I won't even address his position.

Instead, I want to say that I really like the JREF board. If I popped into a Christian fundie board and made the claim that fundamantalist preachers account for a tiny percentage of the population and also account for more than 33% of all reported child molestations, I'd be banned faster than a blink of an eye. The JREF philosophy that all points of view (short of libel and other criminal statements) should stand or fall based only on their merits is a worthy point of view.

There are statistics to back up the claim that 33% of all child molestations are commited by homosexuals. These facts are not just pulled out of thin air for the fun of it.

Here on the JREF forum people quoting statistics need to provide the source of those statistics so that others may fairly evaluate the reliability of statistics. XenonII, please provide your source. Until then, you will not be taken seriously.

Sir, this is a thread about homosexuality. Can only viewpoints that agree with homosexuality be expressed? What ever happened to free speech?

Wow. I am amazed. I make a point that all points of view are allowed to stand here on the JREF forum and you reply by asking what happened to free speech.

Could it be that your mind is closed to the true nature of homosexuality through endless liberal indoctrination that you won't consider that these statistics about homosexals and child molestation are true?

If you supply a carefully-reasearched study, then I will believe that homosexuals are attacking children at the rate you asserted.

 

[circuit_bent]

God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve or Madam and Eve.

I can just imagine that being drawled by a rednecked gap-toothed Southener.

 

[Ladewig]

One more point, if I may. XenonII, we are not mocking you because you are a Christian. There are religious believers on this board who do not get mocked.

Those who are mocking you are doing so 1) because you are a fundamentalist who picks and chooses (in a seemingly arbitrary way) which parts of the Bible will be followed and which parts are to be ignored and 2) because you seem unable to grasp the idea that numbers thrown out in a debate should be evaluated for truthfulness.

 

[articulett]

Beware repression Xenon II--it's known to ruin the lives of the faithfult

In addition to Larry Craig, Richard Roberts (Oral's son), Senator Foley, Ted Haggard... we have this.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/1008072scuba1.html

The family values crowd exhibits some might wicked values.

 

[Alice Shortcake]

Xenon II, do you by any chance live under a bridge near a goat pasture? It's hard to believe that anyone uses the phrase "evil feminazis" in the expectation of being taken seriously.

And you really should keep up to speed with condom technology - some of them are now manufactured especially for anal sex.

I wish we could be quit of you, Xenon II!

 

[Greatest I am]

Exactly! To quote myself : I have yet to have anyone give me a rational explanation for why homosexuality is wrong that doesn't involve religion. Because there is no rational human reason why people shouldn't be allowed to be with whomever they want to be with. The only reason is because someone's invisible friend doesn't like it. And we base our laws on this! And ruin people's lives because of it! Unbelievable!

Man has two natures. The spiritual and the political.

The spiritual nature has no reason for discrimination or denigration of the characters of Gays.

The political nature has the reason that Gays cannot contribute to the population growth of the political machine.

This lack of contribution only has validity in a society that is at the level of living hand to mouth. If this is the case then all in that society that do not reproduce or have stopped to reproduce would have to be placed under the same discrimination or denigration as Gays.

Since no society who discriminates against Gays has yet to discriminate against these other non reproducing members of their societies, then it can be said that they are only using homosexuality as a way of expressing hate without actually providing justification for it.

In other words homophobes are hypocrites.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Yes, I've made this point many times. Almost invariably, the response is "Well, I wouldn't choose that."

To follow a Gay nature is free choice.

To fight a Gay nature or to fight our nature whatever it is, is likely always wrong.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

1) Homosexuality was always understood to be a mental disorder before homosexual activists successfully lobeyed to have it declassifed as such.+

They prance around in public half naked simulating and engaging in various unnatural and perverse sex acts. Is that not the behavior of someone with a serious mental illness?

If it is a mental illness then the Bible should label Gays as sick, not as abominations.

Where else in scripture does sickness or illness become a reason to discriminate and denigrate people. No other place.
Why then are any justified in using scripture to discriminate against Gays, if they are to be classed as ill.

You kill your own arguement for discrimination. Good for you.

Regards
DL

 

[Safe-Keeper]

There is no longer any Biblical restriction placed on those that would feast on lobster as we are not required to live our lives according to Leviticus [...]

Was Jesus specific about Leviticus being obsolete and Deuteronomy still standing?

Transvestism, which sadly is running amok in today's society amongst our women thanks in no small part to the evil feminazi movement, is still a horrendous abomination. Women should not wear pants because men don't wear dresses.

Do you really think that wearing pants equals being a transvestite, that is, acting deliberately like a person of the opposite gender? Can you say that with a straight face?

Women should not wear pants because men don't wear dresses.

yes they do [pics of clerics wearing dresses]

OMG, teh transvestites!1 Burn!!!111

It is immoral. Any type of sexual activity outside of a monagomous heterosexual marriage is.

Because it doesn't produce children? Not everything in life related to love has to revolve around making new little fundamentalists, you know. There are those of us who are together because we love each others and like being together. More on that obscure sinful phenomenon here (possibly Not Safe For Church).

Homosexuality is more than that though, it is abomination and a crime against nature.

Yawn.

There are statistics to back up the claim that 33% of all child molestations are commited by homosexuals. These facts are not just pulled out of thin air for the fun of it.

Then provide them.

Sir, this is a thread about homosexuality. Can only viewpoints that agree with homosexuality be expressed? What ever happened to free speech?

We're in a privately owned forum.

Could it be that your mind is closed to the true nature of homosexuality through endless liberal indoctrination that you won't consider that these statistics about homosexals and child molestation are true?

Oh, wow, the 'you can't prove it wrong' rhetoric.

A homosexual is an individual that engages in sexual activity with a member of ones own sex are they not?

No. A homosexual is a person who feels attracted exclusively to his own gender. You don't have to have gay sex to be a homosexual.

If people were supposed to be homosexuals there wouldn't be two genders and if everyone was a homosexual the human races would become extinct!

If everyone was celibate, the world would die out, too. I suppose that makes nuns sinners, too?

 

[Greatest I am]

All have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23. Embracing homosexuals is one thing, they are equals but denying what they do is a sin is another. Homosexuals are unrepetent sinners and I wouldn't call a church that doesn't consider homosexuality a sin a true Christian church I would call that church a "gay' church and full of the devil. Homosexuality is a sin. God makes up the rules, he has declared it a sin and it is not up to us to challenge his authority or attempt to play God. We have to accept him and follow his commandments or face the consequences. It is our free choice to make but at the same time we have a duty to warn those what will happen if they continue on in their wicked sinful ways.

To properly warn someone is to tell them that they are hurting someone or creating a victim with their actions.

Your normal Gay does not create a victim.
This being the case, what is your justification other than God told me so, to denigrate their good name. If some one tried that kind of discrimination on you would certainly upset you. how can you victimize them without a cause or victim to motivate your discrimination?

Regards
DL

 

[Dancing David]

I don't know, why don't you look it up? I fail to see what the relevance is however concering the sin of homosexuality.

Because it shows the morality of the demiurgos YHVH to be rather lacking.


Do you keep a kosher household?

 

[Dancing David]

1) Homosexuality was always understood to be a mental disorder before homosexual activists successfully lobeyed to have it declassifed as such. Because of homosexual pressure the APA voted on whether to continue classifying homosexuality as a mental illnesss. 48% voted that homosexuality should continue to be regarded as a mental illness.

No it wasn't , it varies from culture to culture.

Duh?

2) There isn't a "Gay Agenda"? Why is there so-called "gay rights" groups then? Do these groups not have an agenda? Do these groups not want to legalize so-called same-sex "marriage"? Are these groups not seeking to normalize homosexuality within society? Teach school kids that it is "OK" to be "gay"? The "Gay" Agenda is very real. It is militant and in your face. There is obviously a "Gay" Agenda and it is not a healthy agenda. It is a destructive agenda that threatens to destroy marriage. Marriage is the bedrock of society. Destroy that and you will destroy society itself.

As for the comment about Jews I believe they are not only involved they are in the thick of it. Conservatives will tell you that the liberals control the media in the United States and that is obviously true,

Except that it isn't, what data do you have?

but what many will shy away from is just what kind of liberals these people are. Well do the research for yourself. It is readily available and surprise surprise those liberals that have such a stanglehold on America's media are Jews. Many of them are Jews. Many of them are homosexuals. And many of them are Jewish homosexuals. Now is the liberal media "gay" friendly and promotes the homosexual agenda? You bet!

Oh wow, and a raving antisemite to boot. I hope this is parody.

Incidently, the leading psychologist within the APA that lead the charge to normalize the mental illness of homosexuality Dr Spitzer was a Jew and it is interesting to note also that since Disney has sucumbed to domination by liberal Jews, all sorts of depravity has been allowed to take place at Disney Land. After allowing "gay days" for years Disney's latest attack on the American family and public decency is holding same-sex "wedding ceremonies"!

Not that funny really, even as parody.

Jews need to be perfected?

Remember Jesus, he was a jew.

3) See 1).

4) Not all homosexuals are child molestors but homosexuals are far more likely to molest children than a heterosexual person.

Not true and the data shows that you are wrong, in the USA most child molesters are Christian males!

Homosexuals also molest more victims per molestor than heterosexuals.

Uh huh, where does this data come from?

Homosexuals commit up to 1/3rd of all child molestations which is quite a lot when you take into account they only make up 1-2% of the population. Presuming "gays" are 2% of the population it means that 1 in 20 are child molestors when only 1 heterosexual in 490 is a child molestor.

I can't wait to see where that data comes from.

5) Marriage is a privelege not a right and no one is denying the homosexual the "right" to marry someone of the opposite sex. A real marriage is between one man and one woman. A homosexual is not allowed to marry a person of the same sex but neither is a heterosexual. No right is being denied to the homosexual because no right to so-called same-sex "marriage" exists. That's not to say technically of course that all homosexual marriages are banned. A "gay" man can still marry a "lesbian" and there you go, a homosexual marriage and all perfectly legal!

6) Statistics speak for themselves. If "gay" (really SSAD) people are so happy why do they commit suicide, abuse drugs and alcohol and have mental disorders at rates far in excess of the general population? If homosexuality is not a mental illness why do its sufferers parade about the streets flaunting their sin with "gay" abandon? They take pride in being sinners. "Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD." Jeremiah 6:15. Homosexuality is nothing to celebrate! They prance around in public half naked simulating and engaging in various unnatural and perverse sex acts. Is that not the behavior of someone with a serious mental illness?

And why are you so hate filled, is that really Christlike?

 

[bruto]

If it is a mental illness then the Bible should label Gays as sick, not as abominations.

Where else in scripture does sickness or illness become a reason to discriminate and denigrate people. No other place.
Why then are any justified in using scripture to discriminate against Gays, if they are to be classed as ill.

You kill your own arguement for discrimination. Good for you.

Regards
DL

Well, not to derail your otherwise good points, I think Hansen's disease got a pretty raw deal back then too.

 

[Dancing David]

There are statistics to back up the claim that 33% of all child molestations are commited by homosexuals. These facts are not just pulled out of thin air for the fun of it.

Where are they?

Sir, this is a thread about homosexuality. Can only viewpoints that agree with homosexuality be expressed? What ever happened to free speech? Could it be that your mind is closed to the true nature of homosexuality through endless liberal indoctrination that you won't consider that these statistics about homosexals and child molestation are true?

Because this a sceptics forum and you haven't shown us the data.

Duh.

A homosexual is an individual that engages in sexual activity with a member of ones own sex are they not? Is that not a definition of homosexuality? Up to 1/3rd of child molestations are commited by men engaging in sexual relations with boys. That is homosexual pedophilia. It's not just consenting adults that engage in homosexual behavior.

Where is the data.

Most people are molested by a family member.

 

[bruto]

I see from the above that (OMFG who coulda' predicted that) the subject has come around to those nasty pervasive sneaky old Jews. Before we go on, I think XenonII owes us a clear definition, something that has not been forthcoming in other discussions on this subject.

XenonII: In the context of your argument, what is a Jew?

 

[Greatest I am]

Xenon II, do you by any chance live under a bridge near a goat pasture? It's hard to believe that anyone uses the phrase "evil feminazis" in the expectation of being taken seriously.

And you really should keep up to speed with condom technology - some of them are now manufactured especially for anal sex.

I wish we could be quit of you, Xenon II!

Now Alice, be nice.

If it were not for people like this poor misguided soul then we would not be able to as readily show how our logic and standards work, as opposed to his lack of ability to justify his position.

This way those on the fence will know which way to go.

Thank God Xenon lacks the brains to make a better arguement of the issue. At the same time thank God he is here to allow us to show the better and more moral position.

Thank God for evil.

Regards
DL

 

[Ladewig]

If it is a mental illness then the Bible should label Gays as sick, not as abominations.

Where else in scripture does sickness or illness become a reason to discriminate and denigrate people. No other place.

I must disagree with you here. The Bible has plenty of examples of discriminating against those types of people. Leviticus 12 explains that women who have just given birth are unclean and shall not be allowed in holy places. Leviticus 13:46 says lepers should be discriminated against ("All the days wherein the plague shall be in him he shall be defiled; he is unclean: he shall dwell alone; without the camp shall his habitation be"). Leviticus 21 says that "a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous ... Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken" is to be excluded from holy sites and from holy sacraments.

 

[Greatest I am]

Well, not to derail your otherwise good points, I think Hansen's disease got a pretty raw deal back then too.

In light of today's knowledge, there have been many instances of inappropriate scripture and behavior by the old ones.

Regards
DL