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Why is homosexuality wrong?

Greatest I am said:
Why is homosexuality wrong?
We all know what gays are and what they do. All of God’s laws are responses to a victim of some sort.
The one lied to is deceived.
The one who is killed is deprived of life.
The one stolen from looses his goods.
In the case of homosexuals there does not appear to be a victim or anyone hurt by the actions of the participant.
Why then does God discriminate against homosexuals?
It appears to go against His usual justice.
Regards
DL
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It may not be wrong but isn't it a bit "naughty"!
 
XenonII said:
Same difference, they are both sins and I don't condemn anyone I just repeat what God has said through the Bible. Jesus may have not condemned her but he didn't accept her sin either. He told her to go and sin no more. If she repented before death she would have been saved but if she died in her sins then she is in hell amongst the many millions that are already there.
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So you don't judge, but you are just a mouthpiece for some book written by people claiming to be inspired by the divine?
 
Foster Zygote said:
Well he's got a point. Unless you want to dispute the fact that a married couple who engages in sexual activity purely for their own pleasure will, at best, be unhappier and more unfulfilled than a married couple who only engage in sex with the intent of having a child.
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I want to dispute that.
 
I don't want kids. But I do want sex. And I want the right to be able to make that decision for my damn self.
 
mijopaalmc said:
Do you a detailed analysis of why some biblical scholars believe homosexuality is wrong?
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Ironically, "Kill men who lie with other men as with women" doesn't require much of a detailed analysis.

Even if an apologist tried the sophistry that God changed the rules with the coming of Jesus, you're still left with the unsavoriy situation that, once upon a time, God found this a fine thing to do, "because them Jews back then were a nomadic tribal culture and this thing was appropriate for them, at that time."

And that's not much of a satisfying argument, ethically.
 
Rrr. See, this is all why homosexual marriage is a feminist issue. Because eventually the fundies will make the arguement that marriage should only exist for childbearing. Therefore, you only need a wife to have your children, that is the only role a woman should play in marriage. ARGH. No. Wrong. Wrong in so many ways.

Marriage is a mutual agreement to share yourself, your home, your income, your life with one person. Why you got married doesn't even have to figure into it. A soldier friend asked me to marry him so he could get paid more, get sweeter benefits, and get a nicer place to live. Marry for citizenship. Marry for tax cuts. Marry for love, marry for kids. Marry as according to your own personal beliefs.

It is YOUR decision to get married, no one else can make that decision for you, no one can tell you your reasons for marraige are legitamite or not. You have that right.
 
zombiebex said:
Rrr. See, this is all why homosexual marriage is a feminist issue. Because eventually the fundies will make the arguement that marriage should only exist for childbearing. Therefore, you only need a wife to have your children, that is the only role a woman should play in marriage. ARGH. No. Wrong. Wrong in so many ways.
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Well, hold on, it's going a little far to say it's the ONLY role. They cook dinner, after all, and do the dishes.

Marriage is a mutual agreement to share yourself, your home, your income, your life with one person. Why you got married doesn't even have to figure into it. A soldier friend asked me to marry him so he could get paid more, get sweeter benefits, and get a nicer place to live. Marry for citizenship. Marry for tax cuts. Marry for love, marry for kids. Marry as according to your own personal beliefs.

It is YOUR decision to get married, no one else can make that decision for you, no one can tell you your reasons for marraige are legitamite or not. You have that right.
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Well, I'd say that part of the problem here is that the government is directly involved with marriage already; they offer benefits to married couples.

If the government offered no benefit whatsoever if you were married or if you were not, then you could probably go ahead and marry whatever you wanted, as long as it didn't break bestiality laws. :D

But yeah, this is part of the reason why you can be married in a court of law.
 
Well, hold on, it's going a little far to say it's the ONLY role. They cook dinner, after all, and do the dishes.
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:rolleyes:

If the government offered no benefit whatsoever if you were married or if you were not, then you could probably go ahead and marry whatever you wanted, as long as it didn't break bestiality laws. :biggrin:
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See, you're getting close to the slippery slope the fundies always go on about. "Well, if a man can marry a man, pretty soon he's going to marry a cow! Or five men!"

Which is silly. Two people, adults, both agree to enter the marraige... Tada! Married. Regardless of gender, which is a difficult thing to define conclusively anyways.
 
Lonewulf said:
Well, hold on, it's going a little far to say it's the ONLY role. They cook dinner, after all, and do the dishes.
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Fine Girl, Frank Zappa

Well, yeah, well
Oh yeah
She was a fine girl
She could get down wit de get down
All de way down
She do yer laundry
She change a tire
Chop a little wood for de fire
Poke it around...if it died down

Oh yeah
She was a fine girl
She go up in the mornin'
She go down in the evenin'...all de way down
She do the dishes
If you wishes
Silverware too
Make it look brand new...when she get through
Oh yeah
She was a fine girl
Outa this world

Well, yeah, well, yeah, well, yeah, well
Oh yeah
She was a fine girl
She could get down wit de get down
All de way down
She do your laundry
She change a tire
Chop a little wood for de fire
Poke it around...if it died down

Oh yeah
She was a fine girl
With a lovely smile
With a bucket on her head
Fulla water from de well
She could run a mile
Oh yeah
She wouldn't spill a drop
It'd stay on top
Her head was kinda flat
But her hair covered that
She was a fine girl
Didn't need no school
She was built like a mule
With a thong sandal
Well, wasn't no kinda job she could not handle
She could get down...wit de get down
All de way down
We need some more like dat in dis kinda town
We need some more like dat in dis kinda town
We need some more like dat in dis kinda town
We need some more like dat in dis kinda town...
We need some more like dat...
 
zombiebex said:
:rolleyes:
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:cool:

See, you're getting close to the slippery slope the fundies always go on about. "Well, if a man can marry a man, pretty soon he's going to marry a cow! Or five men!"
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Well, I would be, if that was my point. ;)

Which is silly. Two people, adults, both agree to enter the marraige... Tada! Married. Regardless of gender, which is a difficult thing to define conclusively anyways.
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Okay, true enough.

But I'm just saying, if the government just butted out of marriage altogether, there would be no issue at all whatsoever.
 
Lonewulf said:
But I'm just saying, if the government just butted out of marriage altogether, there would be no issue at all whatsoever.
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While I agree with you in principle, practically that's a fight that can't be won. Better to try to get homosexual couples the same benefits as everyone else than get heterosexual marrieds to give up the benefits they already have.
 
Lonewulf said:
But I'm just saying, if the government just butted out of marriage altogether, there would be no issue at all whatsoever.
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Personally, I would be happy if the church butted out of marriage altogether. Let them have their own ceremonies called "ecumenical unions" or somesuch, and let the government take care of the inheritance laws, etc. :cool:
 
Hokulele said:
Personally, I would be happy if the church butted out of marriage altogether. Let them have their own ceremonies called "ecumenical unions" or somesuch, and let the government take care of the inheritance laws, etc. :cool:
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Hear hear!!
 
Hokulele said:
Personally, I would be happy if the church butted out of marriage altogether. Let them have their own ceremonies called "ecumenical unions" or somesuch, and let the government take care of the inheritance laws, etc. :cool:
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Tell you what, I'll meet you half way. They both butt out and it'll be handled by the people in the family. ;)
 
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