Secessionist conspiracies

[Alferd_Packer]

"Fiby"? And Troll refers to resident of Southeast Lower Michigan??

sure, you live below the bridge, eh?

And we all know who the fudgies are.

F.I.B.y stands for F&#@&g Illinois Bas*^*&%d and is a term usually said by a cheesehead.

 

[geni]

I know thats why i posted it



I should have said English based and run and I am posting from an SNP viewpoint as I am a nationalist. I do not recognise GB as my country or that my country should be part of it.

GB hasn't existed for decades so no scotland is not part of GB,

They call themselves the Scottish Labour and the Scottish Tories so they cannot claim to be British. What I am saying is they are not a real Scottish Party to a nationalist

There is no requirement to be in favor of independce to be scotish.

I am talking real parties not Tommy Sheridans plaything (till he was ousted) although on a technicality and for pedantics, I give you this one


I like a lot of their supposed ideas and policies but they are mostly kooks and spoil it with 3 stupid policies for every one good one IMO

Scottish Senior Citizens then 38K votes.

 

[geni]

And its on the rise year on year.

Nope. Been steady at around 30% for decades. Fluctuates a bit but nothing significant.

It is also on the rise in England, more english want scots independance than ever before (well at least since 1967 after wembley

Not a significant number not yet.

 

[geni]

I do not understand this at all? Are you saying Scotland is not a country who has a feasible economic future on its own? Dependant on England?

If so, you are uninformed

You said prior to the act of union. One of the reasons Scotland accepted the bill was the england demonstraited that it could make a complete mess of scotland's economy.

Pedantic, I was trying to explain to someone not in the know, from abroad that we had the largest amount of seats of any party in the Scottish assembly and were not just a movement but a political party. If they were removed they would just get back in again in the event of a re-election.

Doubtful. No more Tony Blair hate figure any more and the minor parties will be looking to plan their comeback.

In the case of Labour and the Libs or the Tories forming an English coalition to take control of the Assembly, then this would show you why there can be an antagonism towards Westminster. Democracy at work right enough

The majority of scots would have voted for a memeber of their colition.

In any true democracy it is up to the people to make the decisons and choices. They choose the SNP.

63% did not.

The SNP say they will give the Scottish people the chance to vote on whether or not they want Independance in a nationwide referendum. This is not a law forced on the people it is the chance to vote for the idea.

There are lots of ideas around.

We all know what happens next. The English based parties all join together to stop this choice being delivered to the people of Scotland. They do not believe we are capable of deciding our own destiny.

Stop it? Why should they want to do that? Dely it so the SNP's defeat hits just before an election perhaps.

 

[SDC]

sure, you live below the bridge, eh?

And we all know who the fudgies are.

F.I.B.y stands for F&#@&g Illinois Bas*^*&%d and is a term usually said by a cheesehead.

Nowadays I live way below The Bridge since I'm back in New York. There are other bridges I have to deal with.

Regardless, I greatly appreciate the information (trolls, etc.) Always happy to learn something new.

Now about that state of Superior... What level of college football are they going to be able to conspire at?

 

[Dave Rogers]

GB hasn't existed for decades so no scotland is not part of GB,

Que?

Great Britain is not a political entity but a land mass, largest of the British Isles, and the mainland part of Scotland is the northern part of Great Britain. From the fact that I'm not swimming, it's still there. If you mean the United Kingdom, that also still exists (or it did when I filled in my tax return a couple of weeks ago, or I wouldn't have bothered), and Scotland is still part of it. What are you saying hasn't existed for a couple of decades?

Also, since nobody who can read its name is unaware of the aims of the Scottish Nationalist Party, what has any of this got to do with conspiracy theories?

Dave

 

[funk de fino]

GB hasn't existed for decades so no scotland is not part of GB,

look at your passport

There is no requirement to be in favor of independce to be scotish.

I never said there was

Scottish Senior Citizens then 38K votes.

pedantic again

 

[funk de fino]

Nope. Been steady at around 30% for decades. Fluctuates a bit but nothing significant.

Sorry mate, recently it rose quite a bit then surpisingly dropped after the SNP victory.

It was more than that in the referendum that the UK government cheated the population in 1979. Out of those that voted it was 51.6%

Remember the 40% rule, pure dishonesty from the UK govt of the time

Not a significant number not yet.

What the hell are you on about? I have seen the figures, they were widely reported in recent years and were markedly on the rise.

 

[funk de fino]

You said prior to the act of union. One of the reasons Scotland accepted the bill was the england demonstraited that it could make a complete mess of scotland's economy.

How many years ago? Irrelevant nonsense

Doubtful. No more Tony Blair hate figure any more and the minor parties will be looking to plan their comeback.

You know what the scottish people will do? Good start for our SNP admin, approval ratings for Salmond high. I would not bet on it?

tony blair was not the reason

The majority of scots would have voted for a memeber of their colition.

scots the only members of the electorate?

You do know we are not just first past the post voting here?

63% did not.

see above

There are lots of ideas around.

Stop it? Why should they want to do that? Dely it so the SNP's defeat hits just before an election perhaps.

No they are stopping it. They have come together on this issue and will stop the people of scotland voting on their own destiny

If we get a referendum and it is a fair one, unlike the last one, and we do not vote for independance then that is democracy at work and I will accept it

At the moment it is not and if you think otherwise you are uninformed as I earlier suspected

matter of interest - Your nationality?

 

[funk de fino]

40% of the MSP in the Scottish Assembly are members of parties that want Independence and as recently as last year support for independance in newpapers polls was a majority

Opinion polls routinely for a new referendum give support at over 70% of the population, is it fair for the minority parties to block this motion?

I suggest you go and look at numerous polls and results, regardless of error margins it is a more popular notion in the whole of Britain nowadays than it has ever been

 

[geni]

look at your passport

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

That exists yes. That is what scotland is constitionaly a constituent country of. It is not a constituent country of great britian.

I never said there was

"What I am saying is they are not a real Scottish Party to a nationalist"

Any party not pro indepence should be expected to have strong cross boarder links

pedantic again

Given scotlands demographics I doubt it.

 

[geni]

Sorry mate, recently it rose quite a bit then surpisingly dropped after the SNP victory.

As I said fluctuates a bit.

It was more than that in the referendum that the UK government cheated the population in 1979. Out of those that voted it was 51.6%

Remember the 40% rule, pure dishonesty from the UK govt of the time

Not the goverment. The government opposed the amendment. They lost the vote on it though. Not supriseing given the problems they had at that point in time.

What the hell are you on about? I have seen the figures, they were widely reported in recent years and were markedly on the rise.

On the rise yes but not significant yet. Should become significant just about the time the oil runs out.

 

[geni]

How many years ago? Irrelevant nonsense

Hey you were the one who wanted to go back to before the act of union.

You know what the scottish people will do? Good start for our SNP admin, approval ratings for Salmond high. I would not bet on it?

tony blair was not the reason

We shall see.

scots the only members of the electorate?

You do know we are not just first past the post voting here?

I know your voteing system even if rather a lot of scots aparently don't.

If we get a referendum and it is a fair one, unlike the last one, and we do not vote for independance then that is democracy at work and I will accept it

SNP wont.

matter of interest - Your nationality?

I'm a subject of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. By the SNP defintion of nationality I would probably come out as european or imperial british.

 

[geni]

Opinion polls routinely for a new referendum give support at over 70% of the population, is it fair for the minority parties to block this motion?

What percentage do you think I could get for a referendum on what system of measurements to use? getting support for a referendum is easy. Doesn't make it a good idea.

 

[Pardalis]

What percentage do you think I could get for a referendum on what system of measurements to use? getting support for a referendum is easy. Doesn't make it a good idea.

Are you against democracy?

 

[geni]

Are you against democracy?

I'm in favour of representative democracy.

 

[funk de fino]

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

That exists yes. That is what scotland is constitionaly a constituent country of. It is not a constituent country of great britian.

You said GB did not exist and now you say it does? Great Britain is part of the United Kingdom and as such does exist, you were wrong

"What I am saying is they are not a real Scottish Party to a nationalist"

There is no requirement to be in favor of independce to be scotish.

Do you see the word nationalist in my post, not every scot is a nationalist therefore nowhere have I claimed you have to be in favour of independence to be a scot

reading comprehension sunshine

Given scotlands demographics I doubt it.

Now not just pedantic, ignorant as well

 

[funk de fino]

As I said fluctuates a bit.

But it has risen remarkedly in recent years which you claimed it had not

Not the goverment. The government opposed the amendment. They lost the vote on it though. Not supriseing given the problems they had at that point in time.

Fair then was it, democratic was it?

On the rise yes but not significant yet. Should become significant just about the time the oil runs out.

It is significantly higher than it was and still rising, I said it was rising I was correct. A majority in a lot of places actually.

If you want to get into oil, come ahead, I work in the industry so can answer any questions you may have about our oil and how much is left

 

[funk de fino]

Hey you were the one who wanted to go back to before the act of union.

And why was that genius. What did that Act do to Scotland as a sovereign nation?

We shall see.

You wont put your house on it though. I wouldnt if i was you.

I know your voteing system even if rather a lot of scots aparently don't.

Oh really, the same system as in the British parliamentary elections is it?

List MP's?

SNP wont.

They do not have to but they cannot do anything about it. You live by what the majority decide. Living with a Tory govt for years when my country voted overwhelmingly Labour shows you how unfair this can be but it is the way it is. You would like to change it?

I'm a subject of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. By the SNP defintion of nationality I would probably come out as european or imperial british.

English or Scots tory?

 

[geni]

You said GB did not exist and now you say it does? Great Britain is part of the United Kingdom and as such does exist, you were wrong

No. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland exists as a political enterty. It is made up of the constituent parts of England & Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Great Britain does not exist as a political enterty.

Do you see the word nationalist in my post, not every scot is a nationalist therefore nowhere have I claimed you have to be in favour of independence to be a scot

reading comprehension sunshine

So you admit the nationalist definition is inconsistant with reality?

Now not just pedantic, ignorant as well

Are you seriously suggesting that Scotland does not have an ageing population? Or is there a plan to shoot everyone over the age of 65?

While scotlands population is no longer falling that doesn't mean that the population of OAPs is not growing.