Secessionist conspiracies

[funk de fino]

What percentage do you think I could get for a referendum on what system of measurements to use? getting support for a referendum is easy. Doesn't make it a good idea.

Go ahead then and show me your results when they get to 70% of the population. You would have to get the administration to produce a white paper on it only to have it blocked by minority english based and run parties and you would be happy with this?

You may not think it is a good idea but I do and so do the rest of that 70 odd %, you obviously do not think it is wrong to deny the Scottish people the right to decide this question? Are you scottish?

This is your democracy?

 

[funk de fino]

No. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland exists as a political enterty. It is made up of the constituent parts of England & Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Great Britain does not exist as a political enterty.

Listen up pedantic pete

You initially claimed it did not exist - it does as part of the Great Britain and Northern Ireland united Kingdom

You are changing what you posted, just admit it.

Are you British?

So you admit the nationalist definition is inconsistant with reality?

I have admitted nothin but you are putting words in my mouth. You said I made a claim, I never, all you have to do is admit it, not carry on with your games.

What they define a Scot and what I define a Scot can be twwo different things, I do not toe the party line

To me a Scot is someone who has at least one Scottish parent. He does not have to believe in nationalist ideals.

Are you seriously suggesting that Scotland does not have an ageing population? Or is there a plan to shoot everyone over the age of 65?

Who's demographic is not ageing, and what relevance does it have to anything?

While scotlands population is no longer falling that doesn't mean that the population of OAPs is not growing.

i never said it was not, i just failed to see the relevance of any of your posts on the matter

 

[geni]

And why was that genius. What did that Act do to Scotland as a sovereign nation?

Voted it out of existance. To the goverment? Dug it out of the hole the Darien scheme had go it into.

Oh really, the same system as in the British parliamentary elections is it?

No that one is somewhat less complex

Scotland uses a has constituencies with first past the post then it has regions with propotional representation and rather a lot of confused voters. Has anyone got around to figureing out how to reduce the number of spoiled ballots next time around.

List MP's?

There are over 100 MSPs keeping track of them is somewhat complex.

They do not have to but they cannot do anything about it.

Hold more referendums until they get the result they want.

English or Scots tory?

Lib-dems generaly.

 

[geni]

Listen up pedantic pete

You initially claimed it did not exist - it does as part of the Great Britain and Northern Ireland united Kingdom

You are changing what you posted, just admit it.

Are you British?

I'm a subject of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The constitional situation is pedantic although I'd rather you didn't raise the issue of cornwall.

Who's demographic is not ageing, and what relevance does it have to anything?

i never said it was not, i just failed to see the relevance of any of your posts on the matter

Increased ageing is likely to result in an increase in the support for the Scottish Senior Citizens party. Particularly when the goverment finds the current level of care offered to be unstainable.

 

[funk de fino]

My reply to someone when pressed on independance and before this i had not mentioned GB

Complete independence as was had before the act of union and complete autonomy in Europe, seperate from the rest of the UK, like Eire.

you however first brought it up here

The the early days of football there was no one else to play so devideing GB up into it's various constitent countries was a fairly logical aproach. First England Scotland game resulted in a nil-nil.

you then post this

Basicaly games were invented in what was then GB and when there was a slight initial shortage of teams to play against spliting up into consitent countries made sense.

then you have a dig at me for using GB by saying it does not exist

At the time of the Scotland and England first international match (which did indeed finish 0-0) it was the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland

Now do we need to go on playing your little word games?

 

[Pardalis]

I'm in favour of representative democracy.

OK, so you do recognize referendums as valid forms of representative democracy?

 

[geni]

Fair then was it, democratic was it?

Fair? nah. Democratic as much as anything. But don't blame the goverment. The goverment wanted a yes vote. The no vote helped Thatcher.

It is significantly higher than it was and still rising, I said it was rising I was correct. A majority in a lot of places actually.

I didn't deny it was riseing. Quite why a country with morris danceing as a national symbol would see a rise in nationalism I'm not sure but there is no stopping some people.

If you want to get into oil, come ahead, I work in the industry so can answer any questions you may have about our oil and how much is left

What percentage of fall from peak do you think we will see by 2020?

 

[funk de fino]

Voted it out of existance. To the goverment? Dug it out of the hole the Darien scheme had go it into.

exactly, so when i want independance i want to back to like it was before the Act of union when Scotland was a sovereign nation

The rest of the guff you posted is irrelevant, thank you

No that one is somewhat less complex

Scotland uses a has constituencies with first past the post then it has regions with propotional representation and rather a lot of confused voters. Has anyone got around to figureing out how to reduce the number of spoiled ballots next time around.

Thank you, not just first past the post but also proportional representation as well. List MSP's et all

So where was I wrong?

There are over 100 MSPs keeping track of them is somewhat complex.

You had the gall to say that a lot of us Scots did not understand our own election system and then you totally misunderstand what a List MP is?

This is too funny

Hold more referendums until they get the result they want.

so?

Lib-dems generaly.

English? or scared to say

 

[funk de fino]

I'm a subject of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The constitional situation is pedantic although I'd rather you didn't raise the issue of cornwall.

Does it say British on your passport anywhere?

Increased ageing is likely to result in an increase in the support for the Scottish Senior Citizens party. Particularly when the goverment finds the current level of care offered to be unstainable.

This has what to do with anything i initially posted

Are you MJD?

 

[funk de fino]

Fair? nah. Democratic as much as anything. But don't blame the goverment. The goverment wanted a yes vote. The no vote helped Thatcher.

define democracy

I didn't deny it was riseing. Quite why a country with morris danceing as a national symbol would see a rise in nationalism I'm not sure but there is no stopping some people.

Do you know what I am saying? There is a rise in support england for seeing scotland as a independant nation. This is not nationalism to them just an opinion.

What percentage of fall from peak do you think we will see by 2020?

Remember I said our Oil, so I mean the UK sector North Sea and will discount the West of Shetland for the moment although we can go back to it.

There is more left in the North Sea than we have taken out. It is more difficult to get to but every year we have better more advanced tools to get to this oil. These tools also allow us to go back to reservoirs we may have had to abandon previously.

We will still be producing oil in the North Sea in large quantities in 2020 ut if you want to be pedantic we have been below peak production for a while but it has been higher in the last two years due to the high oil price

 

[geni]

exactly, so when i want independance i want to back to like it was before the Act of union when Scotland was a sovereign nation

The rest of the guff you posted is irrelevant, thank you

So England wont get it's money back?

Thank you, not just first past the post but also proportional representation as well. List MSP's et all

So where was I wrong?

I didn't claim anything else about the scotish parliment's legal system.

You had the gall to say that a lot of us Scots did not understand our own election system and then you totally misunderstand what a List MP is?

This is too funny

OR you might want to be more careful about establishing context in future.

so?

It gets tiresome an expensive.

English? or scared to say

I live in England. under your defintion of Scotish I would be English although at best that rather denies 50% of my heritage.

 

[geni]

define democracy

Dirrect one person one vote on all issues. Has never existed and never will exist.

Do you know what I am saying? There is a rise in support england for seeing scotland as a independant nation. This is not nationalism to them just an opinion.

If you take the position that scotland should be an independent nation that you are likely to have simular views about England.

Remember I said our Oil, so I mean the UK sector North Sea and will discount the West of Shetland for the moment although we can go back to it.

There is more left in the North Sea than we have taken out. It is more difficult to get to but every year we have better more advanced tools to get to this oil. These tools also allow us to go back to reservoirs we may have had to abandon previously.

We will still be producing oil in the North Sea in large quantities in 2020 ut if you want to be pedantic we have been below peak production for a while but it has been higher in the last two years due to the high oil price

Production has dropped by over 10%. I've seen estimates of a fall of at least 50% by 2020.

SNP is right about one thing they can't afford to put the independence issue off.

 

[funk de fino]

So England wont get it's money back?

What money? We can swap it all for our oil money if you want?

200 billion or something like that?

I didn't claim anything else about the scotish parliment's legal system.

Why comment on my remark about first past the post then? what you fail to realise was that most people understood elections but did not understand the voting papers

They were quite distinct and confusing this year, do you know why? If not then you should not infer that a lot of Scots are too stupid to know how the elections process works. When I make a claim and it is not wrong what point is a dig at something else?

OR you might want to be more careful about establishing context in future.

It was in the same post as the election process and in context and if you knew our system even half as well as you so boldly claimed you would have known what they were

It gets tiresome an expensive.

Nothing to do with you though is it. If it gets tiresome then the people will vote themout, this is democracy after all. They can still do nothing to force it through because that is not howe referendums work

I live in England. under your defintion of Scotish I would be English although at best that rather denies 50% of my heritage.

I knew it before you had to post it. I'll let you guess why

This is my country, it is my people it is my national assembly and they are my MSP's. Attend to your own countries ills first before pontificating and making false and pathetic pedantic claims about things that have no concern to you. My country is not a joke to me and its indepedence is nothing to be treated like a joke by the likes of you.

When you move here and are registered to vote here by all means have your democratic way with it? If we did not have the golden goose of the Lib Dems in the proportional representation part of the elections the SNP would have had more MSP. The fact that your great party would rather let Scotland have a minority govt rather than try to forge ties with the SNP purely due to the fact they want to STOP a referendum on independance. Your party want to stop the people of Scotland having the chance to decide their own destiny, how democratic is that for a party who has it in their name?

They would rather legalise cannabis and other loony ideas eh? (or have they had to drop that one?)

Too funny

 

[Apollo20]

When I lived in Wales in the 1960s, (both my parents were born in Aberdare in South Wales), there were rumors about a shadowy organization called Byddin Rhyddid Cymru, or the Free Wales Army. It appeared that it really did exist, to the tune of about 200 members, and was receiving aid from the IRA.

Anyway, it started a fad for would be members, supporters, or maybe just graffiti artists, to write FREE WALES on road signs, buildings, etc,

However, the graffiti usually had the W crossed out within a day or two leaving a slogan that was supported by everyone!

 

[funk de fino]

Dirrect one person one vote on all issues. Has never existed and never will exist.

You are correct in a pedantic way because my 12 year old niece cannot vote, so there you go, we will never have true democracy

So in a referendum to see if Scotland wants independance everyone gets a vote and the majority is, for arguments sake, 70%

Should Scotland get independance? Give us a one person one vote referendum any time. Unfortunately you and your kind would like to be hypocrites and stop this?

If you take the position that scotland should be an independent nation that you are likely to have simular views about England.

That was not the question asked in the poll. It was scottish thing and you brought other guff in again. because they feel Scotland should be independant does not mean they think England should as well. Argument from speculation? denied

Production has dropped by over 10%. I've seen estimates of a fall of at least 50% by 2020.

SNP is right about one thing they can't afford to put the independence issue off.

which means we will still be producing siginificant amounts of oil in 2020 and in fact latest estimates say past 2035. Of course these figures do not take into account new finds or new technology and it is just one estimate you have seen

i am out there a lot and i know insider stuff keep it to yourself i will retire a rich man while still working in the UK oil industry

I will be plenty happy for another 35 years of SNP admin if we cannot get independance because of the English parties. Scotland does ot have to rely on oil for its economy you know

Go and study other small, independant nations in Eurpe and see if they have mor than us and if they are doing OK. For instance Eire, how good a place is that mesureed as being compared to the rest of Europe? Do they have some magic thing we do not have that makes it so?

 

[Dave Rogers]

Can you take this to Politics please?

Dave

 

[OldTigerCub]

SDC,


Referring back to the OP, I heard one of these secesionists on a talk radio program while I was driving yesterday. Fred Honsberger at KDKA in Pittsburgh interviewed a Dr. Jay Michael Hill on his afternoon show.

from KDKA Radio web site: Dr. J. Michael Hill talks about why the League of the South wants out of the U.S. Fred Honsberger says the South will not rise again

KDKA posted the full interview on their website as well:

http://www.kdkaradio.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=1048825

One of the more interesting comments I heard from a caller after the interview was, though I am quoting from memory, "It sounds like a bunch of good ol' boys have some white sheets they wanna air out."