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Weird. Apathoid's works, so he can use that one to see engine parts at the¨Pentagon.
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What happens when an aircraft hits something that is not inclined to move?
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Weird. Apathoid's works, so he can use that one to see engine parts at the¨Pentagon.
funk de fino
Dreaming of unicorns
Terral
Is 44ft 6" nearer 40 ft or nearer 50 ft?
And you do know this is with the landing gear lowered dont you?
The jet did not have the landing gear lowered so how high did that make it?
Answers on a postcard
Is 44ft 6" nearer 40 ft or nearer 50 ft?
And you do know this is with the landing gear lowered dont you?
The jet did not have the landing gear lowered so how high did that make it?
Answers on a postcard
Just Show Us A Picture Of Your Crashed Jetliners. GL.
Hi Funk De Fino:
Thank you for writing:
As already explained, I was using the RB211-22B rather than the RB211-535C, so my weight dropped from 6 tons to 5.5 tons, which is academic, because nobody here can place either engine at the Pentagon on 9/11 or any other day. Right? Try to prove me wrong. :0)
If anyone here shows error in my work, then I am happy to acknowledge my mistake and edit my comments.
Please do not get the wrong idea here. I am happy to ‘thank you’ for pulling the splinter from my eye, but have no reason to apologize to anyone for anything. Can you place a 100-ton Jetliner crashed anywhere near the Pentagon? Be ready to edit your comments too. :0)
So? They cannot show us a picture of Flight 93 or Flight 77 crashed anywhere either. The simple fact escaping your notice is that everything else in my post above is still standing. :0) You might have one a tiny little battle, but I am the one wiser from the contest. Right? You have already lost the war and do not even know it . . .
First of all, you are dealing with “BASIC ENGINE” weights. You are still missing 60 tons of high grade aluminum and everything else listed above in my post. :0) Try to go back and correct the part about only two windows missing from the ‘second floor’ and no window broken on the ‘third floor.’ :0) You can start explaining how your 100-Ton Jetliner (255,000 pound maximum takeoff weight) crashed into a masonry wall without disturbing the two parked vehicles and the many large cable spools and without gouging the ground anywhere and without breaking any third floor windows. Does that sound like a deal? Great! Let’s debate the topic then, because eventually you will be looking at my pictures. The weight with peripherals is 5.5 tons, BTW, and that does not include the 100-ton Jetliner going 500 miles per hour. :0)
My what? Heh . . . I have ridden on many of these Jets and from the tarmac you climb a ton of stairs. When you come to this fine Board with claims about 100-Ton Jetliners crashing here and there, then you are supposed to have 100 tons of 'evidence.' No plane? Okay. Show us where your 100-Ton Jetliner crashed into the Pentagon wall. You are talking about one of those gigantic Jumbo Jets. Right? Your task should be very easy then.
GL,
Terral
Hi Funk De Fino:
Thank you for writing:
As already explained, I was using the RB211-22B rather than the RB211-535C, so my weight dropped from 6 tons to 5.5 tons, which is academic, because nobody here can place either engine at the Pentagon on 9/11 or any other day. Right? Try to prove me wrong. :0)
If anyone here shows error in my work, then I am happy to acknowledge my mistake and edit my comments.
Please do not get the wrong idea here. I am happy to ‘thank you’ for pulling the splinter from my eye, but have no reason to apologize to anyone for anything. Can you place a 100-ton Jetliner crashed anywhere near the Pentagon? Be ready to edit your comments too. :0)
So? They cannot show us a picture of Flight 93 or Flight 77 crashed anywhere either. The simple fact escaping your notice is that everything else in my post above is still standing. :0) You might have one a tiny little battle, but I am the one wiser from the contest. Right? You have already lost the war and do not even know it . . .
First of all, you are dealing with “BASIC ENGINE” weights. You are still missing 60 tons of high grade aluminum and everything else listed above in my post. :0) Try to go back and correct the part about only two windows missing from the ‘second floor’ and no window broken on the ‘third floor.’ :0) You can start explaining how your 100-Ton Jetliner (255,000 pound maximum takeoff weight) crashed into a masonry wall without disturbing the two parked vehicles and the many large cable spools and without gouging the ground anywhere and without breaking any third floor windows. Does that sound like a deal? Great! Let’s debate the topic then, because eventually you will be looking at my pictures. The weight with peripherals is 5.5 tons, BTW, and that does not include the 100-ton Jetliner going 500 miles per hour. :0)
My what? Heh . . . I have ridden on many of these Jets and from the tarmac you climb a ton of stairs. When you come to this fine Board with claims about 100-Ton Jetliners crashing here and there, then you are supposed to have 100 tons of 'evidence.' No plane? Okay. Show us where your 100-Ton Jetliner crashed into the Pentagon wall. You are talking about one of those gigantic Jumbo Jets. Right? Your task should be very easy then.
GL,
Terral
Terral:
Welcome to the forum.
There are many witnesses that saw a Jet Airliner crash into the Pentagon. There are witnesses that stated it was a jet airliner. There was crash debris that was in keeping with a jet airliner. There was recovered body tissue that was tested against passenger DNA, and confirmed to match that of the passengers aboard flight 77 (who were listed in and accepted by a court of law).
There is no physical evidence that another plane crashed there. There is no evidence that a missile hit there. There is no evidence of explosives being used, outside of the Jet Fuel. If you have any to add to this void, please do so.
No witnesses testify that a missile hit the pentagon.
So where does the evidence lay...which story does it support thus far?
Thanks
TAM
Welcome to the forum.
There are many witnesses that saw a Jet Airliner crash into the Pentagon. There are witnesses that stated it was a jet airliner. There was crash debris that was in keeping with a jet airliner. There was recovered body tissue that was tested against passenger DNA, and confirmed to match that of the passengers aboard flight 77 (who were listed in and accepted by a court of law).
There is no physical evidence that another plane crashed there. There is no evidence that a missile hit there. There is no evidence of explosives being used, outside of the Jet Fuel. If you have any to add to this void, please do so.
No witnesses testify that a missile hit the pentagon.
So where does the evidence lay...which story does it support thus far?
Thanks
TAM
you are just joking and trying to be funny? All four jets on 9/11 were 11, 175, 77, and 93. All the crashes look real, I am an accident investigator in the USAF, and all four aircraft impacts were real. Any lay person can see it, and since no truther believes experts, my expert analysis is ignored and truthers prove they have no facts or abilities to understand the real world. Funny people, 9/11 truth. No facts, no rational ideas. Why are they so challenged on 9/11 topics? Why are only 0.000067 percent world engineers in the 9/11 truth movement?
Please prove there were no jets with some proof.
Please Show Us Your Pictures Of Flight 93 Or Flight 77 Crashed ANYWHERE. GL
Hello again Funk De Fino:
A Titan Missile is 103 feet tall with a first stage length of 70 feet and a diameter of 10 feet and the thing weighs a whopping 270,000 pounds at launch. That is really impressive. Right? Guess what? Nobody here can place one of those at the Pentagon either. :0) Before you start playing games with heights and weights of 100-Ton Jetliners, then start showing us Flight 77 crashed ANYWHERE. Does that part sound fair? I promise not to ask you silly questions about any Titan missiles. :0)
What landing gear? How about you show us your evidence that anyone ever found the two Rolls Royce engines at the Pentagon and I will let you slide on the rest of the 100-Ton Jetliner. :0) So far nobody here is convincing the ‘unbiased’ third party reader that Flight 93 or Flight 77 crashed ANYWHERE. Therefore, whether the landing gear was up or down is irrelevant to our discussion.
GL,
Terral
Hello again Funk De Fino:
A Titan Missile is 103 feet tall with a first stage length of 70 feet and a diameter of 10 feet and the thing weighs a whopping 270,000 pounds at launch. That is really impressive. Right? Guess what? Nobody here can place one of those at the Pentagon either. :0) Before you start playing games with heights and weights of 100-Ton Jetliners, then start showing us Flight 77 crashed ANYWHERE. Does that part sound fair? I promise not to ask you silly questions about any Titan missiles. :0)
What landing gear? How about you show us your evidence that anyone ever found the two Rolls Royce engines at the Pentagon and I will let you slide on the rest of the 100-Ton Jetliner. :0) So far nobody here is convincing the ‘unbiased’ third party reader that Flight 93 or Flight 77 crashed ANYWHERE. Therefore, whether the landing gear was up or down is irrelevant to our discussion.
GL,
Terral
Dear 3rd party reader:
1. There are dozens of witnesses that saw a jet airliner crash into the pentagon.
2. There was crash debris found compatible with that of a jet airliner. This included plane fuseleage material, parts of the engine, and others.
3. DNA samples were collected and compared to DNA samples of the passengers listed as aboard flight 77. All of the passengers, outside the terrorists, were matched, confirming the tissues samples collected were theres. The terrorists were identified by a process of elimination, as no comparative DNA could be found to make a match.
4. To this day, 6 years later, not one shred of evidence has been found to prove a missile, or small aircraft, was responsible for the attack on the pentagon. Not one witness has said that a missile hit the pentagon.
TAM
1. There are dozens of witnesses that saw a jet airliner crash into the pentagon.
2. There was crash debris found compatible with that of a jet airliner. This included plane fuseleage material, parts of the engine, and others.
3. DNA samples were collected and compared to DNA samples of the passengers listed as aboard flight 77. All of the passengers, outside the terrorists, were matched, confirming the tissues samples collected were theres. The terrorists were identified by a process of elimination, as no comparative DNA could be found to make a match.
4. To this day, 6 years later, not one shred of evidence has been found to prove a missile, or small aircraft, was responsible for the attack on the pentagon. Not one witness has said that a missile hit the pentagon.
TAM
No Terral, you prove the DNA was fake, you prove the photos of engines and parts were fake, the seats and passengers body parts. You prove it. You have to prove thousands of pieces of evidence are fake. YOU! Not me, not others; I know flight 77 hit the Pentagon, I know flight 93 crash site is real and looks exactly like a high speed ground impact. I cheat, I have been at crash site with real aircraft where fellow pilots I have met are smashed and dead. What is your back ground that makes you fall for the lies of 9/11 truth. When did you walk or control an accident scene where people have died and an aircraft has crashed. I have owned the crash scene as the person in charge of USAF crash scene after the fire rescue released the scene to ME. What is your background that makes you an expert? So far you have hearsay and made up junk from 9/11 truth. Just junk being repeated. Please tell me you have something new. Do you?
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funk de fino
Dreaming of unicorns
In time good fellow and i am sure others will too
Terral said:
What happens when all your statements are proved to be mistakes
Terral said:
All in good time good fellow. Edit button at the ready
Terral said:
So this means nothing, these experts against you? Expertise stands for nothing? I am sure you do not mean this?
Just tell me what the basic engine weight of the given engine is in tons, do not jump onto other stuff just yet.
I just want to know your aircraft expetise? Why is this strange. I can tell you mine? A few others will as well quite soon i think.
So what you are saying is you have been a passenger on a plane a few times and this is your expertise?
[nitpick mode] do not call it a jumbo jet [nitpick mode]
Please Accept This Mission
Hi Beachnut:
I do not care if you are the man in the moon. If you really believe a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed in the empty field outside Shanksville or at the Pentagon, then just show us the pictures. It is really that simple.
Really? Terral is my real name given to me by my mommy and I am supposed to take expert analysis from a guy named Beachnut. :0) Please . . . There is nothing in any of your statements showing one sign of technical knowledge about a tricycle, even the kind with the little basket. Your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to head out into the while blue yonder and bring us back some pictures of your ‘real’ Jetliner crash sites. For this mission you only have to bring us pictures of Flight 93 and Flight 77. Good Luck, Beachnut. This message will not self destruct in five seconds . . .
We have many architects and engineers on board at AE911Truth.org. You cannot read from our deliberations, because all of that is kept private. Make an application and expect to wait a month for approval. I am currently the only Demolition Supervisor on board with over 30 years experience.
Heh . . . No sir. You are the one saying a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed somewhere. I am the one saying you are out of your mind for believing any such thing. I cannot post pictures or even a link to anything, so you must take my word for it. :0)
GL with your mission,
Terral
Hi Beachnut:
I do not care if you are the man in the moon. If you really believe a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed in the empty field outside Shanksville or at the Pentagon, then just show us the pictures. It is really that simple.
Really? Terral is my real name given to me by my mommy and I am supposed to take expert analysis from a guy named Beachnut. :0) Please . . . There is nothing in any of your statements showing one sign of technical knowledge about a tricycle, even the kind with the little basket. Your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to head out into the while blue yonder and bring us back some pictures of your ‘real’ Jetliner crash sites. For this mission you only have to bring us pictures of Flight 93 and Flight 77. Good Luck, Beachnut. This message will not self destruct in five seconds . . .
We have many architects and engineers on board at AE911Truth.org. You cannot read from our deliberations, because all of that is kept private. Make an application and expect to wait a month for approval. I am currently the only Demolition Supervisor on board with over 30 years experience.
Heh . . . No sir. You are the one saying a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed somewhere. I am the one saying you are out of your mind for believing any such thing. I cannot post pictures or even a link to anything, so you must take my word for it. :0)
GL with your mission,
Terral
funk de fino
Dreaming of unicorns
Your sleight of hand and avoidance will not wash with me. You claimed tail height near 50 ft when in fact it is nearer 40ft, this means you need to go edit again? It is either a mistake that needs corrected or you were being misleading. Do not start running away now because I am dealing with your "facts" one at a time. Dont jump ahead now.
Terral said:
Again, dont jump ahead stick with your claims one at a time, it makes it easier for you to edit the post.
The tail height you claim is from the tarmac when the jet is standing on the deck with the landing gear down. When in flight it is not 44ft tall. Do you get this?
Once we have this agreement we can move on.
BenBurch
Gatekeeper of The Left
Terral,
Sorru, but that's dishonest. First, a lot of the weight was fuel and nobody is going to haul that anywhere. And aluminum melts in such a fire and many of the aluminum parts of the airliner would not even survive. Second, how more credible does one have to be than a firefighter who bagged and tagged passengers' parts? It is literally insane to ask any questions after you know that there were victims on the site. Last I looked, a Global Hawk was a tiny vehicle that could not have had bodies inside it...
Please try honesty. It doesn't hurt much, and people respect you for it.
-Ben
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WildCat
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Not really interested, your spiel is sooo 2005 and has been debunked countless times. I'll probably just lurk and snicker to myself occasionally.
DGM
Skeptic not Atheist
Terral:
You are right that a 100 ton didn't crash any wheres near the Pentagon. It crashed into it. It's been fun now your jokes over, good one you had us going there.
You are right that a 100 ton didn't crash any wheres near the Pentagon. It crashed into it. It's been fun now your jokes over, good one you had us going there.
rwguinn
Penultimate Amazing
I have requestd that the mods move the Terral comments and responses to another thread, or merge them with Lyte Trip's stuff. This is a derail, aand we don't need it. Should be a different subject.
Hi again Terral,
I know this thread basically concerns wreckage, or lack thereof, but I thought you might find these links interesting...
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/bart.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html
Add the eyewitness accounts to the fact that all of the passengers were identified by DNA - it becomes fairly evident that AA77 crashed there, short of really, really large conspiracy which involved pretty much everyone within 2 miles or so of the Pentagon. Now, if AA77 didn't crash there, how did the DNA from the passengers wind up at the Pentagon? How did the debris get there? Before you answer "planted", I'd ask that you watch the entire Pentagon security video which shows everything from before the impact to the arrival of first responders. One thing missing from the video is people planting evidence on the lawn.
I know this thread basically concerns wreckage, or lack thereof, but I thought you might find these links interesting...
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/bart.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html
Add the eyewitness accounts to the fact that all of the passengers were identified by DNA - it becomes fairly evident that AA77 crashed there, short of really, really large conspiracy which involved pretty much everyone within 2 miles or so of the Pentagon. Now, if AA77 didn't crash there, how did the DNA from the passengers wind up at the Pentagon? How did the debris get there? Before you answer "planted", I'd ask that you watch the entire Pentagon security video which shows everything from before the impact to the arrival of first responders. One thing missing from the video is people planting evidence on the lawn.
Terral, visit this site: http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/
You might be able to finds photo's on there that show debris from AA77 and UA93. That is, if you won't claim the wreckage was planted. Was it planted, Terral?
No thanks, you're welcome.
You might be able to finds photo's on there that show debris from AA77 and UA93. That is, if you won't claim the wreckage was planted. Was it planted, Terral?
No thanks, you're welcome.
Please present facts, your mission is to find a single fact
You have yet to provide sources or evidence to support your claims, and you only say show me. I have to say you need to show me; and like Kennedy, ask not what your government can do for you; Ask what you can do for your government" Therefore you put up the facts and stop spreading lies. Now that is a mission for you, learn not to be fooled by idiots in the 9/11 truth movement who have no facts or evidence.
You are still sitting at zero facts. And not getting better; why?
So you have the real mission to provide evidence.
You can write, why are you unable to find facts?
So sad you are fooled by the AE dolts who have no facts or abilities to think rationally on 9/11. They have not one single new idea on 9/11. Like AE, the entire 9/11 truth movement has no facts. You have not presented a singe fact yet. I am sorry you are not able to understand the impact in PA was flight 93. I have seen many accidents in the Air Force where the pilot and the entire plane are in a few feet deep in the ground. Experience beats people making up lies. You have no facts. I have seen first hand accidents involving large aircraft, and I have not seen or found anything to support your fact less claims.
You have yet to provide sources or evidence to support your claims, and you only say show me. I have to say you need to show me; and like Kennedy, ask not what your government can do for you; Ask what you can do for your government" Therefore you put up the facts and stop spreading lies. Now that is a mission for you, learn not to be fooled by idiots in the 9/11 truth movement who have no facts or evidence.
You are still sitting at zero facts. And not getting better; why?
So you have the real mission to provide evidence.
You can write, why are you unable to find facts?
BenBurch
Gatekeeper of The Left
Terral,
Oh, yeah, and my friend's father was in the section that was hit, and was killed on that day, and I really do not find it amusing to play political games with any of this but the Pentagon especially. You should be ashamed of yourself.
-Ben
Oh, yeah, and my friend's father was in the section that was hit, and was killed on that day, and I really do not find it amusing to play political games with any of this but the Pentagon especially. You should be ashamed of yourself.
-Ben
Please Show Us Your Pictures Of Flight 93 Or Flight 77 Crashed ANYWHERE. GL
Hi T.A.M.
Thank for making some points, but you forgot to include any evidence for anything.
Really? Then you will have no difficulty at all in showing us your pictures. GL. BTW, telling us there are millions people that see Santa Claus every year does not make it so . . .
Wow! Really? The unfortunate part is you forgot to show us any evidence for anything. Right? Good Luck finding a picture of Flight 93 or Flight 77 crashed anywhere but in the fantasies of men.
DNA? Please . . . We are talking about a 100-Ton Jetliner in both the Shanksville and Pentagon cases. Right? Okay. That means you have every opportunity to show us 200 tons of evidence.
DNA evidence can be taken from anywhere. The Shanksville case includes a Jetliner crashing into an empty field. So just show us your pictures.
A missile? Who said anything about a missile? :0) Your ‘claim’ supported by NOBODY here yet is that 200 tons of Jetliner crashed somewhere. Everyone here is supposed to be backing their claims up with evidence. Okay? Coming out here talk about DNA and missiles and what nobody has proven is doing nothing to help ‘your’ case.
Terral
Hi T.A.M.
Thank for making some points, but you forgot to include any evidence for anything.
Really? Then you will have no difficulty at all in showing us your pictures. GL. BTW, telling us there are millions people that see Santa Claus every year does not make it so . . .
Wow! Really? The unfortunate part is you forgot to show us any evidence for anything. Right? Good Luck finding a picture of Flight 93 or Flight 77 crashed anywhere but in the fantasies of men.
DNA? Please . . . We are talking about a 100-Ton Jetliner in both the Shanksville and Pentagon cases. Right? Okay. That means you have every opportunity to show us 200 tons of evidence.
DNA evidence can be taken from anywhere. The Shanksville case includes a Jetliner crashing into an empty field. So just show us your pictures.
A missile? Who said anything about a missile? :0) Your ‘claim’ supported by NOBODY here yet is that 200 tons of Jetliner crashed somewhere. Everyone here is supposed to be backing their claims up with evidence. Okay? Coming out here talk about DNA and missiles and what nobody has proven is doing nothing to help ‘your’ case.
Terral