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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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Thanks for the warm welcome! I didn't sign up at first since I felt as if I didn't have anything interesting to offer you all (seeing as how a lot of my old Cryptomundo and Cryptozoology.com posts involved stuff that I had learned here). However, I've recently stumbled across a lot of stuff that I think you'll all enjoy.

I agree that the "second reel" moniker doesn't make any sense; I only used it since it's the most common name given for it. I suppose it goes to show that, for proponents, "Patty" always comes first in their minds.

Speaking of the cast display, it'd be interesting to see whether or not an independent restoration of the P/G footage and of the same Cibachromes that MK Davis used would yield perfectfoot in both. If it didn't, this would imply that someone inserted the clear view of the foot. And as someone (Diogenes?) noted earlier in this thread, perfectfoot is a dead ringer for one of the casts Patterson was displaying. If perfectfoot was found to have been in the footage, then it'd be a huge blow to the film's supposed authenticity if that cast display footage was indeed from when Patterson dug out the shape of a foot and then cast it. A fakefoot matching perfectfoot just couldn't be a coincidence.

As for the amount of footage that Patterson shot, didn't someone mention here that he had a large amount of other reels (perhaps including the rumored footage involving a rented gorilla suit) that were never released?
 
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I think it could well have had a zoom lens. At any rate, there are some very nice shots of K-100's on ebay. Do we know if he had a single lens model?
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I came across this at ebay a few days ago and thought the gang at BFF might find it interesting..

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=20459


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One of the members was the winner... Looks like an very good price if the camera is in as good condition as it looks..
 
Correa Neto:

I think the fur on the both the Toho King Kong costume and the A*P*E costume look much shorter than the hair on a typical gorilla costume. In fact, it might even be shorter than Patty's! And wouldn't you know it, it doesn't expose the material underneath like some claim short hair would. They also both seem to have a crest and there's no way a human head could fit into Kong's; the sloped forehead is a dead giveaway!

All kidding aside, those were some great videos. You might also want to look up "Bigfoot, Sasquatch caught on video on Hunting Trip" by rifleman1974 on Youtube. Notice how the guy in the Bigfoot costume does something quite similar to the "lower leg lift," due to the large feet he's wearing.

Getting back to the kaiju side of things, I recommend "Ultraman Powered Episode 7" by PantheraTigris. It's footage from a Japanese/American coproduction called "Ultraman Powered" (aka Ultraman: The Ultimate Hero) and the clip shows off the incredbily detailed foam rubber suits that were used for the series. They even gave Ultraman Powered palm lines (as seen 00:50 into the video)!

As I recall, foam rubber was used due to: the show's low budget, foam rubber being lighter/doesn't get as hot as traditional rubber costumes, and it allowed for lots of detailing. However, using that material also made the suits very easy to damage and (coupled with broadcast standards) resulted in the show's fights being very tame affairs. I should note that they played around with the film speed for this show in an attempt to make the giants move slow/imply large amounts of weight.

"The Final Showdown: Ultraman Powered Music Video" by earthbaragon shows more of the detailed monster costumes used for the show.

"ウルトラマンG - メイキング02" by ghj0908 (if the Japanese text doesn't work in your browser, just look for a 06:45 minute long video in ghj0908's channel page). This behind-the-scenes video for "Ultraman Great" (aka "Ultraman Towards the Future") demonstrates the following:

-Concept art doesn't always match up exactly with the end result. This is why we shouldn't expect any of Patterson's drawings to be a 100% match to what we see in the P/G footage.

-Padding is often cut into segments to allow movement. 00:17 shows a segmented suit, 00:46 shows a puppet with foam rubber muscles (Notice the ease of movement), and 03:50 shows a suit constructed with some sort of padded base. Notice how the padding is designed in a way that allows easier movement via separated parts. This is a good example of padding not being solid, unaltered "blocks" or "rolls" that some people imagine padding to be like. Not long after, you can see (what appears to be) the completed suit and how it looks, how it's put onto a person, and how it moves.

I'm not able to link to it just yet, but I felt that I should note that one of the earliest (if not the earliest) surving Toho costume prop is one of the masks used in 1966's "King Kong Escapes." Everything else deteriorated into nothing and the surviving mask is showing some signs of damage. This goes to show that, even in Patterson decided to save the costume, it's doubtful that the Patty costume would still be intact today.
 
Notice how the undersuit used in Rick Baker's King Kong costume didn't use exact replicas of muscles. Instead, they were (relatively) simplistic shapes that would seem realistic while covered in fur and moving around. This goes to show that fake muscles don't have to be perfectly designed in order to create realistic movement.
 
historian said:
Bigfoot have always been the tallest of the orb family of paranormal people, as far as I know. The smallest are 4 legged lizard like people that love to snuggle into your sleeping bag at night. They all can turn into spirit orbs to fly long distances, or just recon your campsite. Then with a little zzzzzzzt, they convert energy back into matter again, and take on their three-dimensional form in an invisible dimension, normally. Very exciting! Very cutting edge, except the government has known about it since the 60's, from their Lawrence Livermore National Lab, captivity study. The report of which, Stephen Hawkings spent a year studying in 1974-75, at U.C. Berkeley. Bigfoot number in the millions. Buggerous minimus, aka, little buggers, are the 4 legged lizard people that number in the billions. One touched me just 2 weeks ago. Then he dematerialized inside of a sealed tent.
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What can I say? Wow. Do you have any illustrations or other types of information available to study? Would you perhaps be willing to post any available stills or other photography concerning this thread's subject?
 
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I have a whole bunch of pictures of invisible Bigfoot, except there invisible, so you can't see squat. HEHEHE

I have the world's closest paranormal eyeshine photo, of two likely wood gnomes. Either the optic nerve or the circulatory system around the eyes are visible, and their bodies are invisible. Wood gnomes are also paranormal and likely card carrying members of the orb family of spirit people. I don't post it on the internet, because then it would become worthless.

I have a 15 minute video of a village of likely bigfoot orbs playing with a portal into another dimension, on the 4th of July. Now I know what the Bigfoot do on holidays.
 
kitakaze said:
BTW, Beckjord, I think you may have meant sow misinformation, not 'sew'.
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AtomicMysteryMonster said:
Hey historian, how come you don't go by the name "silvereagle" anymore?
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historian said:
I have a whole bunch of pictures of invisible Bigfoot, except there invisible, so you can't see squat. HEHEHE
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tube said:
Neal, can you post some of your photographs?
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historian, I apologize. This is the second time on this forum that I have mistaken you for Beckjord. I should have realized then and now you are Beckjord Lite Neal Burgstahler.
 
The real question is, what is the evolutionary advantage of being invisible? Unless they are only invisible to humans... But then, if they became invisible to humans, as a naturally selected-for trait, then, why would they make themselves known to any humans? Why not just stay invisible, since that is what they were naturally selected-for?

Is 10,000 years enough time to create an invisibility trait? Were they visible before? Did the trait manifest itself to avoid being killed and eaten by humans? It seems like they could just out-fly early man and escape, why would they select for invisibility? Was there another predator which pre-dated humans, from which they needed protection? Maybe the invisible bigfoot, ate the invisible wood gnomes, but then, why would the bigfoot need the invisibility trait? They are a top predator, would they need it to sneak up on the invisible wood gnomes?

Anyway, just thinking out loud
 
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Here's proof bigfeet walk among us!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vUynYaCXZA

AtomicMysteryMonster, its my personal opinion kaiju movies offer a lot of insights when it comes to PGF. Patty, regardless of what some say, at least for me, is not "amazingly realistic". Neither cutting-edge or beyond the 60's FX tech.

And of course, "human heads won't fit"...
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And the proportions are inhuman...

I think most people, with the propper motivation and time, could make something similar, be it from scratch or by modifying a gorilla suit. The kaiju costumes and the many vintage gorilla suits posted here are examples that a Patty suit was well within P,G and BH's reach.

BTW, Ultraman brings lots of memories from my childhood. The first two, of course...
 
Drewbot said:
The real question is, what is the evolutionary advantage of being invisible?
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Ask the same question about the conventional Bigfoot. How and why would natural selection 'create' a creature with the physiology and behavior of a Bigfoot? Why gigantism instead of dwarfism? Why all the extreme avoidance and Ninja-quality evasive behavior? Why do they treat us like we are brutal killers or carry the plague when we never bring harm to them? Why don't enraged male Bigfoots or protective mothers occasionally rip humans to shreds?

The flesh-and-blood Bigfoot hardly makes much more sense than the invisible one. Take your pick.
 
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This is what I think is going on with the mid-tarsal break. Unless it is something else.
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That looks good. I think the appearance of a MTB might even occur without the deliberate digging in from back-to-front. A flat-footed step with a firm push-off might give the initial observation that the foot was hinged. Regardless, we could ask the question why Patty only applied her MTB foot adaptation for one single step in her walk across the sandbar. Why didn't she 'grip the earth' with her next footstep as well?

Your diagram shows a fake foot (worn on the hoaxer's foot) that is making the phony Bigfoot tracks. We don't know what Roger used to make his tracks. We are told by the camera store owner that Patterson was making and perfecting fake Bigfoot tracks back in Yakima. Roger was only showing him the casts, not the devices used to make the prints. He changed the shape of the foot after the owner gave his critique that they didn't look 'authentic'. We can't know if his final product is or is not the Patty foot that we know today from the PGF incident. It does seem reasonable to assume that if Roger really did fake tracks on that sandbar, he created the hoaxing devices in Yakima and brought them to Bluff Creek before October 20. That would mean that he decided on the size and shape of Patty's feet in advance of claiming to film her and cast her footprints. The Patty feet were invented in Yakima. If Roger made any castings in Yakima using these devices they might appear indistinguishable from castings made at Bluff Creek. He may have brought some casts to Bluff Creek in addition to the devices used to make the footprints. Heironimus claims that Roger actually used plaster casts (feet) to make the fake footprints. I think that Roger was under no special obligations to present the world with Patty castings made at Bluff Creek rather than in Yakima. He can pour plaster into fake tracks at Bluff Creek and decide not to show those resulting casts. He can substitute casts that he made in Yakima if he wants to, and so the footage of Roger displaying two casts could have been shot before October 20 and possibly even filmed in Yakima. Meldrum is already saying that scene was shot in Yakima, but he claims it was taken after Roger got back from the encounter.

AtomicMysteryMonster said:
when Patterson dug out the shape of a foot and then cast it.
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Are you suggesting that he carved out each footprint by hand, such as with his fingers, a spoon or something? This is instead of using some imprinting device like a fake foot?
 
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WP, I think Krantz suggested that Roger made them by hand when he was "practicing"...

Makes sense to me. You could make them as deep as you want and with practice you'll be quick. I think it would work well when you only need a few prints, and it could explain why tracks look different on the same trackway. A difference that is interpreted as toe movement, flexion, etc.

You could make a light imprint with a fake foot, then finish it by hand. That would keep the basic shape similar.

If someone catches you, you just found the tracks and you are just cleaning up the last one for casting.
 
Patterson had the creativity and skills to do just about anything. He could have applied a variety of methods to crafting his fake Bigfoot tracks. When you look at the two displayed casts you notice an amazing precision and preserved form. The toes are gem-quality, showing no distortion and are even formed in high relief (the sides of the toes are preserved in addition to the bottom).
 
What I find interesting, is that Pattycast looks a lot like Rogerfoot.

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The image on the left is a photo of Patterson's foot, scaled to the same size as the cast...


The toes are not a perfect match but the relative dimension and shape
is very close..
 
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