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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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I antagonized an antagonizer and was less than civil. My apologies also.
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Me too. I thought the post was sarcastic.
Watched the 'pancake' stills, and read the thread.

ETA: I'll now procede to 'search' for the "florens man....be real" thread.
 
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Since I don't have much to add to the current discussion of the second reel (other than I agree that the first rider is Bob Heironimus and that it looks like the two different filming locations explains the change in horses), I figured I should share a little something that I think negates the whole "people can't move smoothly in a bulky costume" argument offered up by proponents:

Since I can't post links yet, I'm going to recommend that you look up "Godzilla Numa Numa" by Godzilla2themaxx on Youtube. Notice how the actor in the suit moves quite smoothly (and quickly) in the video. Although Godzilla was portrayed as being kinda slow-moving during the early Godzilla movies, this changed during the 70’s. Why? Because Godzilla movies were being released with showings at a children’s film festival/package of films called the “Champion Festival” in mind. This resulted in cutting corners and less of a focus on realism in favor of action (although some of the 60’s movies did have some intentionally silly stuff in them). Granted, I don’t know the weights of the various suits (other than that they were heavy) or the exact size of the actor(s) in them and the sizing doesn’t always match up to Patty, but it shows that people can move quite well in heavy costumes.

I could be remembering this wrong, but I once read that monster costumes like that made it so that movements that seem exaggerated and goofy-looking without the suit would look (relatively) slower and more natural due to the suit.
 
Hi Atomic, welcome to JREF. I've appreciated your posts on Cryptomundo and Cryptozoology.com. What took you so long to get here?

Anyway, I think it's probably wrong to refer to the horseback footage with Bob Heironimus as the "second reel". I am suggesting that that designation be used for anything filmed after the Patty encounter. Roger said he ran out of film at that point and loaded another roll. We've been told it contains a track casting scene, a view of some tracks, a stomp test by Gimlin to try to replicate the print depth, and possibly the scene of Roger displaying the casts. The footage with Heironimus (or anybody on horseback) would have been on the "first reel" as it precedes the Patty encounter.

Outstanding questions are:

How can we be certain that the track casting scene is that of Patty's tracks, and not a previous demonstration or a hoax by creating the tracks.

How can we know that the displayed casts were filmed after the Patty encounter, and can we know that they came from the plaster pouring that is shown on film?

Is the stomp test scene missing?

How can we know the true number of film reels used, and when they were each developed?
 
If you can get a hold of "Bigfoot: Man or Beast" from 1971 you will see some of what might be the second reel footage including Patterson casting a print and the filming of the trackway. My copy is kinda poor so I cannot tell if Patterson is clean shaven but he does not look like he has a heavy growth as shown in the picture where he is holding the casts.
 
Parcher, Your statements are completely out in right field. You ought to get a job with the NSA, because they like to sew the exact same misinformation on the internet, as you are sewing here. I have spoke with Gimlin personally. He has never met Heironius. So we can completely throw your one and only picture here, IN THE TRASH! Heironius is another high school dropout nobody who tried to be somebody by claiming he donned a Bigfoot suit that was 50 years before the current costume technology. The P-G Bigfoot scales at 7'-3". Heironius is less than 6 feet tall, as I recall. Now how did he grow over a foot tall, muscles, add 300 lbs, and find a suit with a butt crack and two tits, with hair consistent with a paranormal person of that shape. And all at the same time? Your arguements are disgustingly foolish. You also seem to think that every cowboy on a horse, is Patterson. Give us all a break here. Compare the hair weave on the P-G film to Correo gorilla constume. It is obvious but I will spell it out anyways. There is no comparison. The gorilla hair has no weave to it. The P-G Bigfoot has a weave that is consistent with the body shape.
 
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Parcher, Your statements are completely out in right field. I have spoke with Gimlin personally. He has never met Heironius. So we can completely throw your one and only picture here, IN THE TRASH!
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Gimlin lied to you. LOL!
 
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historian said:
Parcher, Your statements are completely out in right field. You ought to get a job with the NSA, because they like to sew the exact same misinformation on the internet, as you are sewing here. I have spoke with Gimlin personally. He has never met Heironius. So we can completely throw your one and only picture here, IN THE TRASH! Heironius is another high school dropout nobody who tried to be somebody by claiming he donned a Bigfoot suit that was 50 years before the current costume technology. The P-G Bigfoot scales at 7'-3". Heironius is less than 6 feet tall, as I recall. Now how did he grow over a foot tall, muscles, add 300 lbs, and find a suit with a butt crack and two tits, with hair consistent with a paranormal person of that shape. And all at the same time? Your arguements are disgustingly foolish. You also seem to think that every cowboy on a horse, is Patterson. Give us all a break here. Compare the hair weave on the P-G film to Correo gorilla constume. It is obvious but I will spell it out anyways. There is no comparison. The gorilla hair has no weave to it. The P-G Bigfoot has a weave that is consistent with the body shape.
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So your counter to the fact that a horse and rider in the PGF matching Heironimus in a known photograph featuring Patterson, Gimlin, and Heironimus all together is that Gimlin says he never met the man? He said so? You will forgive those that have a higher standard of evidence, I hope.

BTW, Beckjord, I think you may have meant sow misinformation, not 'sew'.
 
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The P-G Bigfoot has a weave that is consistent with the body shape.
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With Patty's hair standing out like that, it's as if she sensed that she was being watched.
The way she lifts her foot when she is walking strikes me as a being that is unfamiliar with our gravity.
 
Of course that is not Hieronimus!

ITS A BIGFOOT SHAPESHIFTED LIKE HIM!!111!!

You sheeple lived too much time under a chemtrail...

Wtach out for teh black helicopters...
 
Some time after 1976 Bigfootery decided that Patty does not walk like a human at all. Then more recently the guy we see in the film with the black vest confessed to being in the suit. Bigfootery decided that that cannot be true.
 
The real clincher for me on the PGF

Look at this foot as it lifts up from the ground. No natural foot, has a heel that sticks out that flipping far.

Click on this to see the obvious apparatus


This is how it is depicted on Meldrum's website http://www.isu.edu/~meldd/fxnlmorph.html



This is how I depict the PGF Footage foot
 
I found a rare news video clip from KATU that shows Bob Heironimus (May 2004) confessing and even walking (can't make a judgement because the walking bit is too short and in slo-mo). You'll note that BH suggests the suit was made by John Chambers. We now know that this is not true. Bob now believes that Roger modified a Philip Morris gorilla suit.

KATU story that accompanies the video.
 
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Drew, we have other stills of the Patty foot that look even more radical than the two you posted. You should see "Blockfoot" and "Paddlefoot".
 
All I know, is if you click on the top image in my post above, you will see Blockfoot. And with the obvious lack of achilles tendon biology, there is no way, that Patty would ever be able to articulate a step which includes putting pressure on the balls of her feet, thus leaving the 'mid-tarsal break' impression.
 
Blockfoot...

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