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carlson test and debunking randi

Do you know what "cherry-picking" is?

i know , and im not doing that. I check all people i see in the news. Ive already mentioned that Britney Spears didnt fit.
In my experience, though i havent counted the number of hits and misses yet, the misses seem like 2 out of 10. But now im checking throughly.
 
idunno said:
i know , and im not doing that. I check all people i see in the news. Ive already mentioned that Britney Spears didnt fit.
In my experience, though i havent counted the number of hits and misses yet, the misses seem like 2 out of 10. But now im checking throughly.
The real deal is checking UNBIASED.
Saying for example that Byonce (celebrity right?) is talented is not being unbiased. Talented in what? singing? dancing? both? almost everyone is talented at something but try to stay unbiased in your counting of hits and misses. I suggest you try to be very specific in your claims like for example a number 3 person is very outgoing but slightly outgoing will not be considered a hit. You know what I mean?

Regards,
Yair
 
no..i didnt say famous people are all 9s. Is that what you mean?
what I said is that when your number is house 9 in a given year, you attract attention and become very visible. It is up to you to be known for good or bad reasons.
Elvis is a 3 wood and first became famous in 1956 when 3 was in house 9. If youre just a clerk, you may get promoted when in house 9, or may have oportunities to be known. For example i was little known as an astyrolger but when my number was in house 9 i received a phone call inviting me to a TV show. :boxedin:

Elvis had considerable fame, at a local level, prior to 1956. In any event, you had stated earlier this was all based on birth year...not other years within ones life. It seems to me that you are cherry-picking; picking people that fit the "House of 9's", or now (in the case of Elvis) had something happen to them in a year that fits.

i know , and im not doing that. I check all people i see in the news. Ive already mentioned that Britney Spears didnt fit.
In my experience, though i havent counted the number of hits and misses yet, the misses seem like 2 out of 10. But now im checking throughly.

Misses seem like 2 out of 10? Perpahs you could list all those you are "testing"...and explain the criteria? Is this analysis based on birth year, other years, what level of news (ie. local, national, world), etc.
 
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The real deal is checking UNBIASED.
Saying for example that Byonce (celebrity right?) is talented is not being unbiased. Talented in what? singing? dancing? both? almost everyone is talented at something but try to stay unbiased in your counting of hits and misses. I suggest you try to be very specific in your claims like for example a number 3 person is very outgoing but slightly outgoing will not be considered a hit. You know what I mean?

Regards,
Yair

I only check events with this method, as it is not so reliable in cgaracter analysis
 
Elvis had considerable fame, at a local level, prior to 1956. In any event, you had stated earlier this was all based on birth year...not other years within ones life. It seems to me that you are cherry-picking; picking people that fit the "House of 9's", or now (in the case of Elvis) had something happen to them in a year that fits.

--local fame not country or worldwide



Misses seem like 2 out of 10; perpahs you could list all those you are "testing"...and explain the criteria? Is this analysis based on birth year, other years, etc.?

didnt i mention them late last night. Peter Fonda,etc?
Im checking more
 
didnt i mention them late last night. Peter Fonda,etc?
Im checking more

You have mentioned a few, though you then state a "2 out of 10" number...rather then just post isolated names (and giving the impression of cherry-picking) you should list all those you are "testing".

You also need to define the criteria you are using, it is birth year, other years (and why), level of fame (local, national, world), etc.?
 
You have mentioned a few, though you then state a "2 out of 10" number...rather then just post isolated names (and giving the impression of cherry-picking) you should list all those you are "testing".

You also need to define the criteria you are using, it is birth year, other years (and why), level of fame (local, national, world), etc.?

2 out of 10 is from memory, i didnt check it.Im doing it now.
You use year number for prediction, bt for character you need year,month and number resulting of that combination
 
Mojo said:
Do you know what "cherry-picking" is?
i know , and im not doing that. I check all people i see in the news.


All of them? In view of the small number of people you've mentioned so far, it looks as if you don't see much news.

Here are all the people named in the first ten pages of the newspaper I bought yesterday whose date of birth can be found on Wikipedia or whose age can be found in the story concerned (and excluding the writers of the stories, whose names you'd expect to see in the paper all the time):

Alistair Darling (November 28, 1953)
Adam Applegarth (aged 39 in 2001, so born 1961 or 1962)
Lewis Hamilton (January 7, 1985)
Fernando Alonso (born July 29, 1981)
Ron Dennis (June 1, 1947)
Max Mosley (born 1940)
Debbie Harry (July 1, 1945)
Christian Slater (August 18, 1969)
Ian Brown (February 20, 1963)
Frankie Dettori (December 15, 1970)
Malcolm X (May 19, 1925)
James Frey (September 12, 1969)
Martin Whitmarsh (April 29, 1958)
Cameron Mackintosh (17 October 1946)
Victor Hugo (26 February 1802)
Tracey Emin (3 July 1963)
Damien Hirst (June 7, 1965)
Antony Gormley (30 August 1950)
Paul Andreu (July 10, 1938)
Andrew Lloyd Webber (22 March 1948)
TS Eliot (September 26, 1888)
Gordon Brown (20 February 1951)
Mervyn King (March 30, 1948)
Chris Langham (14 April 1949)
Ana Carolina Reston (June 4, 1985)
Naomi Campbell (May 22, 1970)
Kate Moss (January 16, 1974)
MC Hammer (March 30, 1962)
Rachel Whitear (born 1979)
Ken Livingstone (June 17, 1945)
Boris Johnson (19 June 1964)
Menzies Campbell (22 May 1941)
Vince Cable (9 May 1943)
William Hague (26 March 1961)

How do that lot do?
 
All of them? In view of the small number of people you've mentioned so far, it looks as if you don't see much news.

Here are all the people named in the first ten pages of the newspaper I bought yesterday whose date of birth can be found on Wikipedia or whose age can be found in the story concerned (and excluding the writers of the stories, whose names you'd expect to see in the paper all the time):

Alistair Darling (November 28, 1953)
Adam Applegarth (aged 39 in 2001, so born 1961 or 1962)
Lewis Hamilton (January 7, 1985)
Fernando Alonso (born July 29, 1981)
Ron Dennis (June 1, 1947)
Max Mosley (born 1940)
Debbie Harry (July 1, 1945)
Christian Slater (August 18, 1969)
Ian Brown (February 20, 1963)
Frankie Dettori (December 15, 1970)
Malcolm X (May 19, 1925)
James Frey (September 12, 1969)
Martin Whitmarsh (April 29, 1958)
Cameron Mackintosh (17 October 1946)
Victor Hugo (26 February 1802)
Tracey Emin (3 July 1963)
Damien Hirst (June 7, 1965)
Antony Gormley (30 August 1950)
Paul Andreu (July 10, 1938)
Andrew Lloyd Webber (22 March 1948)
TS Eliot (September 26, 1888)
Gordon Brown (20 February 1951)
Mervyn King (March 30, 1948)
Chris Langham (14 April 1949)
Ana Carolina Reston (June 4, 1985)
Naomi Campbell (May 22, 1970)
Kate Moss (January 16, 1974)
MC Hammer (March 30, 1962)
Rachel Whitear (born 1979)
Ken Livingstone (June 17, 1945)
Boris Johnson (19 June 1964)
Menzies Campbell (22 May 1941)
Vince Cable (9 May 1943)
William Hague (26 March 1961)

How do that lot do?

yes but named for what?
Im using yahoo news which leaves a lot to be desired. Ill check the newspapers.
colin Macrae died in plane crash. He is a 5 in house 6. House 6 is known for invting accidents involving metal,like cars,planes or being run over by a car like a friend of mine years ago. If you had serious accidents check if you were in house 6 in year or month ba gua
 
Named in news stories, or the subject of feature articles. Therefore "in the public eye", which is the criterion you set yourself.


people who are in the news on a regularly base dont count. Elvis has ben in the news since he first became famous in 1956,but he wasnt in house 9 all those years.
 
idunno, why all the excuses?
You were given a list of people and their exact birth dates. It doesn't matter if you know those people or not. The one that wrote them to you (Mojo) probably knows about these people. You need to test yourself in a double blind way meaning you don't know who you're doing the observation for. In fact, you need to ask for a new set of dates of celebrities but don't ask who they are. Do your analysis of the dates and post the results for each person. Then the names relating to those dates be revealed to you and you can see how well you did. That's how it will probably be at the JREF challenge.

Mojo, can you make another list of celebrity dates but without the names of the celebrities?

Regards,
Yair
 
people who are in the news on a regularly base dont count.


These are people who feature in news stories in the front pages of a newspaper. With a very few exceptions (Gordon Brown, Alastair Darling, perhaps) these are not people who feature in the news pages on a daily basis (some may appear in the sports or arts sections), so they were more in the public eye yesterday than they usually are.

Although Boris Johnson, for example, is a political figure who is quite often in the papers, he is more in the public eye than usual at the moment, because he has recently announced that he is running for Mayor of London. The people associated with motor racing are in the news at the moment, rather than just in the sports pages, because of a row about industrial espionage.

And how often do Victor Hugo or TS Eliot feature in news stories?

Unless we're talking about senior members of the government and other figures of that nature, the fact that people are mentioned in current news stories means that they are in the public eye more than usual.
 
one of the mistakes skeptics make is to think any chart will do as far as astrologers are concerned. Not true.
Last year i did a chart for a friend. I calculated his rising sign to be Leo. I was surprised cause he didnt strike me as a Leo type. But I accepted the fact, and thought maybe this is all rubbish.Later he told he told me he had been born in Africa not in the continent..which ga ve him the more suitable Virgo ascendant.
How were you able to calculate the rising sign for the first reading? Did your friend give you incorrect location information? If they didn't provide location information, why didn't you ask for it. The rising sign is determined by where the eastern horizon is, and that requires both time and location to be known.
 
people who are in the news on a regularly base dont count. Elvis has ben in the news since he first became famous in 1956,but he wasnt in house 9 all those years.

I'd ask why, but that is not relevant.

What you really need to do is clearly define the evaluation criteria you are using; what constitutes "Fame", birth year vs "famous year", etc. That is to say, what are the rules of the road?

You had originally indicated birth year, but then claimed Elvis as proof as he became "Famous" in 1956 (though had considerable sucess/fame, on a local level, prior to 1956).

When questioned on "Fame"...it suddenly became "fame" but on a national level, not local....but as you note above it can not be someone that is in the (assuming national) news all the time. This of course would explain Tiger Woods or A-Rod, but as you've made/injected these rules "after the fact".

Unless you clearly define your criteria, the appearce is you are simply cherry-picking rules to that prove you are right, or otherwise making excuses after the fact will simply continue.
 
How were you able to calculate the rising sign for the first reading? Did your friend give you incorrect location information? If they didn't provide location information, why didn't you ask for it. The rising sign is determined by where the eastern horizon is, and that requires both time and location to be known.

i took it for granted he was born here as he was born after the de-colonization
 
hi to avoid confusion here is the meaning of the houses

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Here is house 1

terizes each of the nine numbers and their “home” Posi. tions. We can divide the table into two sections, Corr sponding to the movement of energy through the daiiy and yearly cycle. During the morning, rising energy gene.. ated by the earth’s rotation becomes strong, creating up. ward movement in the atmosphere. The numbers 3 and 4 correspond to this rising, upward energy, as does Spring and the positions east and southeast. Expansive, rising eergy reaches its most active peak around midday, corre.. sponding to the number 9, summer, and the directio south. In the afternoon and evening, heaven’s descending energy becomes stronger, and the atmosphere becomes more quiet and condensed.
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