carlson test and debunking randi

To recap:
- you claim in post #569 that 3 day old infants do not have a personality
- you claim in post #572 that personality does not form until 23/25 years of age
- you claim in post #576 that as a “kid” (assuming you mean under 23/25 years of age) you were a “bubbly extrovert” (ie. exhibited personality traits)

I suggest that posts #569 and #572 conflict with your claim in #576, as you clearly state having personality traits as a “kid (ie. before 23/25 years of age).


Lastly, you originally agreed to use astrology to predict the differences between the twins. You claim in post #579 that “changes in personality are shown in astrology cycles”; if this is true, then it would be possible to chart personality changes through ones life...as you claimed to be able to do.

You are simply making excuses at this point, that is to say you are being intellectually dishonest.

QED
 
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Professor Yaffle said:
Well you were the one that agreed to try to predict the differences between the twin even though you knew their young age. Surely the chart should have told you what they would be like at their current age, and if not, you should have refused the challenge and given us the reasons for refusing. As it stands, you are just offering a post hoc rationalisation (excuse) for your failure.
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i completely ignored their age at the time.
And why did they send birthdates of such young kids anyways. ? Had i got it right they would tell me they were too young for testing and so my reading would be irrelevant;)
 
Locknar said:
To recap:
- you claim in post #569 that 3 day old infants do not have a personality
- you claim in post #572 that personality does not form until 23/25 years of age
- you claim in post #576 that as a “kid” (assuming you mean under 23/25 years of age) you were a “bubbly extrovert” (ie. exhibited personality traits)

I suggest that posts #569 and #572 conflict with your claim in #576, as you clearly state having personality traits as a “kid (ie. before 23/25 years of age).


Lastly, you originally agreed to use astrology to predict the differences between the twins. You claim in post #579 that “changes in personality are shown in astrology cycles”; if this is true, then it would be possible to chart personality changes through ones life...as you claimed to be able to do.

You are simply making excuses at this point, that is to say you are being intellectually dishonest.

QED
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Next time ill write more carefully, since you seem to pick on every single word i use:boxedin:
 
idunno said:
i completely ignored their age at the time.
And why did they send birthdates of such young kids anyways. ? Had i got it right they would tell me they were too young for testing and so my reading would be irrelevant;)
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Obviously, as you claim everyone here has lied to you. Always the last stand of the fraud, to accuse everyone of lying or otherwise being dishonest to them.
 
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Professor Yaffle said:
Why did you do that if the chart shows changes in personality over time. Surely you would have to take account of a persons age in order to make a reading?
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yes but i was doing western reading which ignores age and doesnt uses cycles, unlike chinese astrology,which i trust better.
I dont really know if wrstern works because we all have those 12 archtypes, like Jung said, or because theyre in our charts.
I could have say, an Aries personalty, and have no planets in Aries in my chart. Thats what I want to test. Are we Martial because we were born in Aries or because everyone has a bit of Aries-Mars?
 
Locknar said:
Obviously, as you claim everyone here has lied to you. Always the last stand of the fraud, to accuse everyone of lying or otherwise being dishonest to them.
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When they sent me the data they should know that a 4 year old does not have a defined personality yet. And in this case what i mentioned about twins trying to be different from one another applies
 
i tell you what i do.
since im not good enough yet and good astrologers refuse to be tested, ill send those astrologers any data you give me pretending thats a clients chart. Then you can tell me if it works. there are plenty of astrology forums out there:boxedin:
 
idunno said:
When they sent me the data they should know that a 4 year old does not have a defined personality yet. And in this case what i mentioned about twins trying to be different from one another applies
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We've discussed this; children do have personalities or traits that could be charted; by your own admission you as a "kid" were a "bubbly extrovert" (ref. post #576). Personality is not static, but rather changes during one's life...changes that can be charted according to you (ref. post #579).

idunno said:
i tell you what i do.
since im not good enough yet and good astrologers refuse to be tested, ill send those astrologers any data you give me pretending thats a clients chart. Then you can tell me if it works. there are plenty of astrology forums out there:boxedin:
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There are two problems with this
- It is deceitful
- As you have publicly stated you feel everyone here has lied or otherwise been deceitful (ref. post #551), how would yet another test work regardless of circumstance? You will fail to accept the results, unless they summarily prove your point/claim...and will claim any false or wrong results as our being dishonest.
 
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idunno said:
Arthwollipot the Aussie guy also has a similar combo. Maybe he is Gay, but at the time I did his chart I didnt mention that. I simply told him he loved Powr. Maybe he can tell us if he is Gay:cool:
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I'm actually bisexual - I just haven't met the right man yet.
 
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idunno said:
When they sent me the data they should know that a 4 year old does not have a defined personality yet.
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Are you saying all of that money I spent to take college classes in child development was wasted? I shall inform my colleagues!
 
Locknar said:
We've discussed this; children do have personalities or traits that could be charted; by your own admission you as a "kid" were a "bubbly extrovert" (ref. post #576). Personality is not static, but rather changes during one's life...changes that can be charted according to you (ref. post #579).



There are two problems with this
- It is deceitful
- As you have publicly stated you feel everyone here has lied or otherwise been deceitful (ref. post #551), how would yet another test work regardless of circumstance? You will fail to accept the results, unless they summarily prove your point/claim...and will claim any false or wrong results as our being dishonest.
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how can i ever be sure they dont lie? Skeptics have a position to defend just like believers.
And the attitude of the other guy in «blacks and testosterone» left me concerned:cool:
 
idunno said:
well there you are.
if you want give me a list of birthdates so i can find which ones are gay or Hotel-Motel??:)
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Ok, tell me the sexual preferences of each of these individuals?

10th November 1978 (male)
29th July 1975 (female)
9th October 1972 (female)
13th June 1971 (male)
3rd May 1969 (female)
All born in NE England
 
I think it is safe to say that idunno has relegated himself to worthless troll status.

I say let him wallow in his smug delusions and move on to more productive endeavors.
 
idunno said:
You definetely have cognitive problems.
i had a bubbly personality as a kid but eventually became more introvert like my chart shows, before i even knew astrology.
So whats the point of telling me that a 3 day toddler is extrovert? He may change later:mad:

Even the changes in personality are shown in astrology cycles mate
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Oh no. Now I am starting to get really worried. He called you 'mate' and we Aussies use that term all the time. Please don't tell me you are one of us, I will feel bad all night. If you are, at least tell me you weren't born here.

I thought we had shipped the last lot out years ago. Damn!
 
Professor Yaffle said:
Ok, tell me the sexual preferences of each of these individuals?

10th November 1978 (male)
29th July 1975 (female)
9th October 1972 (female)
13th June 1971 (male)
3rd May 1969 (female)
All born in NE England
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the two males are gay or bisexual. The others I need birthtime, but im not sure if i can tell if a woman is Bi or not. I have no experince with leasbians. If you can send only males with birthtime.
:)
 
We will leave the females out since you are not sure you can tell with them. Will the birthtime make a big difference with the males? I only know the approximate time of day for one of them, and the other I don't know at all. I can probably find out, but it will take some time.
 
PBTree said:
Oh no. Now I am starting to get really worried. He called you 'mate' and we Aussies use that term all the time. Please don't tell me you are one of us, I will feel bad all night. If you are, at least tell me you weren't born here.

I thought we had shipped the last lot out years ago. Damn!
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No Im not a fly-eater. The English also use the word mate,mate!!
Aussies have no class and always look like they just arrived from the desert, why would i want to be one? Ha Ha:D
 
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