The 9/11 Conspiracy Facts

I would like nothing more than civil discourse. Go have a look at my 1st ever post, #1 on this thread. Go and see the anatagonistic responses. This is the same for every CTer who comes on the forum- the d'uhs know that their position has no place in reason, so they choose to be truculent about their faith. This is absolutely fine for me- but I will give it back.

To take your example, you took comments I had made, blithely stated that they were something they werent, and then went on a rambling disquisition about something to do with the problem of something or other. I then pointed out the imbecilic error you had made, and you again refused to renege, instead repeating your accusation of something nonsensical. So I think you have renounced any claim to civility or to other people's patience, hence why you merit the tone I take with you.

All I did was ask for documents you claimed existed, and you didn't show them. Is your rage and distaste for me embedded in the fact I called you out for saying Willy Rod recieved the Medal of Honor... in your very first post at the SLC forums?
 
All I did was ask for documents you claimed existed, and you didn't show them. Is your rage and distaste for me embedded in the fact I called you out for saying Willy Rod recieved the Medal of Honor... in your very first post at the SLC forums?
Hey sexy!

These documents are not online, and I believe Le Monde is currently being pursued/sued by the French gov for having exposed this. Le Monde are the NYT of France, and we can trust their reporting.

I made a mistake with the Wille comment- I apologised for this. 1 mistake in 4000 words aint bad, seeing that you usually fail to go 40 words without doing such.
 
I would like nothing more than civil discourse. Go have a look at my 1st ever post, #1 on this thread. Go and see the anatagonistic responses. This is the same for every CTer who comes on the forum- the d'uhs know that their position has no place in reason, so they choose to be truculent about their faith. This is absolutely fine for me- but I will give it back.

To take your example, you took comments I had made, blithely stated that they were something they werent, and then went on a rambling disquisition about something to do with the problem of something or other. I then pointed out the imbecilic error you had made, and you again refused to renege, instead repeating your accusation of something nonsensical. So I think you have renounced any claim to civility or to other people's patience, hence why you merit the tone I take with you.

The first paragraph is mere childishness. Everyone who is a parent recognizes the statement; "daddy/ mommy, he hit me first!" And sometimes we say, "try to rise above it." We roll our eyes with little hope that we will be listened to, but we try.

In general, though, I'm pleased. You obviously took some time with this. Your views are clear, though often awkwardly expressed, and you frequently use words wrongly. I'd advise checking a standard dictionary before you actually post.

Please avoid insults. "Imbecilic" does not belong in civilized discourse. Except when applied to a third party behind his or her back, of course.

You make too much use of awkward and pompous phrases. "Renounce any claim..." "Merit the tone..." These phrases slow your statements down and make them lumber across the landscape. They are correct, but they should generally be avoided. The same is true for a word like "blithely." It's a favorite of mine, too, but it should be used very rarely. "Truculent," too.

"No place in reason..." I'm sorry, that phrase does not make sense. In fact, you meant to say, I believe, that they are not at all reasonable. "No place in reason," while I understand what you are trying to say, just does not make sense as a construction.

"Werent..." In standard, written English, this is a contraction of two words, "were" and "not." As such, it should be written "weren't." You are correct that it is pronounced "werent" (or even "wernt"), but I hope all can agree that here the rules of written expression should apply.

"Rambling disquisition..." According to Webster's, a "disquisition" is an intense inquiry or investigation. Clearly, you didn't mean to say that. I think you meant to say "digression," which is taking a discussion off on a tangent. Anyone who knows me well will agree with you on that. I am prone to digressions -- god help me, I love the things -- often in languages other than English. But, you know, "Khata s krayu, nichevo nye znayu," "[My] hut is on the edge [of town], and I know nothing [about it]." I learned that as a Russian expression, though I most recently heard it from a Ukrainian speaker, so it may be common to both languages. They are closely related, of course.

"Renege..." I had my doubts, but I checked Webster's, and it can be used for "retract." (And I don't retract anything, by the way. If I was wrong in my comment, I will argue that your statements are often so confused and so lumbering, in part due to the tendencies outlined above, that I often have trouble following them.) But more frequently, "renege" is used to mean to go back on an agreement, deal, or break a promise. You probably shouldn't have used it in this instance.

In conclusion, please accept my thanks. I've had a very enjoyable morning romp with grammar and with Webster's. A fine way to begin a day.
 
So I think you have renounced any claim to civility or to other people's patience, hence why you merit the tone I take with you.

I meant to comment on this sentence structure as well. Read it through; you'll see that it consists of two weak clauses linked by "hence why." That connector doesn't work. You should have said simply "hence you;" actually, it would have been best to write "therefore, you..." Hmm... it's messier than I thought at first glance. Your use of both "So" and "hence" in that sentence is really best expressed by "Therefore" ("Therefore I think... therefore you..."). But that would be both redundant and extremely awkward. You should have broken it up into two sentences. Hemingway really did have a point, you know. Clarity and conciseness are our friends.

In general, as well, in other threads you clearly are choosing to continue a pattern of harsh insults in response to any criticism (or even to any response, it sometimes seems). Please avoid insulting your opponents; it does no good for your arguments -- and the arguments are the main thing, aren't they? Not just the chance to attack and insult?

What is your purpose? Are you trying to convince others? Please think about that point, and adjust your methods accordingly.
 
The grammar lessons are interesting, however, it is not the thread topic. Please keep the thread on topic or it will be split out.
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Hey sexy!

These documents are not online,
So you are unable to support that claim.

and I believe Le Monde is currently being pursued/sued by the French gov for having exposed this.
Followed immediately by another unsupported claim... unbelievable! Actually, par for the course for you.

Le Monde are the NYT of France, and we can trust their reporting.
So why can't you post a link to the original article? Have you ever even read it?

I made a mistake with the Wille comment- I apologised for this. 1 mistake in 4000 words aint bad, seeing that you usually fail to go 40 words without doing such.
Actually, your first mistake was made in the OP, when you claimed to have some "conspiracy facts". You have yet to produce a single fact supporting a 9/11 conspiracy by the US government.
 
Hey sexy!
Jealous, much? When your opinion starts to matter to me, you'll be the first to know.

These documents are not online, and I believe Le Monde is currently being pursued/sued by the French gov for having exposed this. Le Monde are the NYT of France, and we can trust their reporting.
You believe... well, unless you got something to back this up, know what you have? Speculation. Run along and go get your evidence, young one, and then get back to me, okay? Thanks.

I made a mistake with the Wille comment- I apologised for this. 1 mistake in 4000 words aint bad, seeing that you usually fail to go 40 words without doing such.
Actually you didn't make a mistake. You didn't even write it, you copied and pasted it from several other posts, which makes me come to the logical conclusion that you didn't actually read it either. Unlike you, I actually write all of my posts myself since having judicial punishment wrought upon me would not be propitious to policy.
 
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Since I don't want to trouble the mods by asking for a load of posts to be moved, here's a discussion that's probably best continued in this thread, rather than the Poll one:

A fact that should be born in mind regarding these polls, scandalous though they are, is one tht is far more significant than any quibbles that have been brought up here.

A significant amount of people dont know the facts about 911. A significant amount of people. The truest poll would be one surveying people who know about the PNAC doc, who knew about the forewarnings, who knew about 7, who knew about Rodriguez et al's testimony (for and against), who knew about NORAD etc, and so on. If you refined the sample like that, you would have an overwhelmingly more astonishing poll result. Much more.

And that's what twoofers prey on. And that's why on youtube twoofer evidence looks so intriguing, and why when it's presented to people on here who actually know what they're talking about it's debunked without batting an eyelash.

I said "facts". Do u know what these are?

Yeah, that stuff you have none of. :p

Do you? You started a thread on 9/11 facts that is huge, yet you still haven't posted a single fact yet. If you restrict your polling to only people who know the facts about 9/11, you would eliminate the so called truth movement almost completly since they only seem to know lies and distortions.

Ok. As I have said to many of your fellow herd, you believe that the PNAC doc, which is a fact which I have posted, is indeed not a fact. In your eyes, this document is a fiction of one's imagination, and doesnt exist.

Therefore we can conclude that you live in la la land. Enjoy your time there- I hope you find it lasting!

No, PNAC definatly exists, but it has been shown to you numerous times that it has nothing to do with 9/11. You said you were going to present facts about 9/11. You still have failed to do so. I am begining to believe that you have none to present and are simply trolling. Please, present some 9/11 facts if you have them. Facts about unrelated topics should go in another thread.

LMAO

You are quite the clown. It has been shown oh too many times that PNAC does have to do with 9/11. As anyone with an iota of intelligence will know automatically, the statement regarding a ease a new PH , pre Oct 2001 would bring to military/strategic radicalisation, followed by a new PH pre Oct 2001, catalysing a military/strategic radicalisatin is important. Some people may not think this. This is because such people are groslly obtuse.

I have also posted a list of forewarnings related to AQ terror attacks against the US. You also believe these are not facts. Again, this would support, quite dramatically, a contention of gross obtuseness on the part of any proponent of such.

I will ignore your insult since it shows more about you than me.

You have beat that PNAC document to death and all you had were two references to a new PH that you have been shown don't mean what you think yhey mean. As for the warnings that have been discussed, you have been shown how it is only with hindsight that a handful of warnings out of thousands is obvipus.

So once again, and without childish insults if you can, please provide some kind of fact about 9/11 that you promised us.
 
The first paragraph is mere childishness. Everyone who is a parent recognizes the statement; "daddy/ mommy, he hit me first!" And sometimes we say, "try to rise above it." We roll our eyes with little hope that we will be listened to, but we try.

In general, though, I'm pleased. You obviously took some time with this. Your views are clear, though often awkwardly expressed, and you frequently use words wrongly. I'd advise checking a standard dictionary before you actually post.

Please avoid insults. "Imbecilic" does not belong in civilized discourse. Except when applied to a third party behind his or her back, of course.

You make too much use of awkward and pompous phrases. "Renounce any claim..." "Merit the tone..." These phrases slow your statements down and make them lumber across the landscape. They are correct, but they should generally be avoided. The same is true for a word like "blithely." It's a favorite of mine, too, but it should be used very rarely. "Truculent," too.

"No place in reason..." I'm sorry, that phrase does not make sense. In fact, you meant to say, I believe, that they are not at all reasonable. "No place in reason," while I understand what you are trying to say, just does not make sense as a construction.

"Werent..." In standard, written English, this is a contraction of two words, "were" and "not." As such, it should be written "weren't." You are correct that it is pronounced "werent" (or even "wernt"), but I hope all can agree that here the rules of written expression should apply.

"Rambling disquisition..." According to Webster's, a "disquisition" is an intense inquiry or investigation. Clearly, you didn't mean to say that. I think you meant to say "digression," which is taking a discussion off on a tangent. Anyone who knows me well will agree with you on that. I am prone to digressions -- god help me, I love the things -- often in languages other than English. But, you know, "Khata s krayu, nichevo nye znayu," "[My] hut is on the edge [of town], and I know nothing [about it]." I learned that as a Russian expression, though I most recently heard it from a Ukrainian speaker, so it may be common to both languages. They are closely related, of course.

"Renege..." I had my doubts, but I checked Webster's, and it can be used for "retract." (And I don't retract anything, by the way. If I was wrong in my comment, I will argue that your statements are often so confused and so lumbering, in part due to the tendencies outlined above, that I often have trouble following them.) But more frequently, "renege" is used to mean to go back on an agreement, deal, or break a promise. You probably shouldn't have used it in this instance.

In conclusion, please accept my thanks. I've had a very enjoyable morning romp with grammar and with Webster's. A fine way to begin a day.
You confuse the fact that it is you who is lumbering across the landscape with your deficitent comprehension. Lets have a look how:

1. "No place in reason" is a perfectly valid phrase. This is basic level english, please learn it.

2. "Werent" was written as such because I am typing quickly. Quibbling is reflective of desperation.

3. "Disquisition", used ironically, is defined;

a formal discourse or treatise in which a subject is examined and discussed

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disquisition

Once you improve your reading skills, you should improve your dictionary reading skills.


4. "Renege" means to retract, or go back on- hence it has been accurately used. This is basic english- I suggest you find yourself a tutor.

5. "Hence why" is perfectly correct english. Once again, your command of the language is dismal. www.tutorvista.com- this should help you.
 
So you are unable to support that claim.


Followed immediately by another unsupported claim... unbelievable! Actually, par for the course for you.


So why can't you post a link to the original article? Have you ever even read it?


Actually, your first mistake was made in the OP, when you claimed to have some "conspiracy facts". You have yet to produce a single fact supporting a 9/11 conspiracy by the US government.
You will find the article on my 911blogger blog.

The point about there not being facts in this thread is something that will eternally serve a s reminder to the unremitting capacity for gross stupidity of human beings.
 
Jealous, much? When your opinion starts to matter to me, you'll be the first to know.


You believe... well, unless you got something to back this up, know what you have? Speculation. Run along and go get your evidence, young one, and then get back to me, okay? Thanks.


Actually you didn't make a mistake. You didn't even write it, you copied and pasted it from several other posts, which makes me come to the logical conclusion that you didn't actually read it either. Unlike you, I actually write all of my posts myself since having judicial punishment wrought upon me would not be propitious to policy.
Lol, no dude, I wrote that all myself. And the PM OP too. I write all my own material. You see, I am more than a pretty face, whereas you, unfortately, woudl appear not to be. Oh well... here's something to console yourself with

http://youtube.com/watch?v=L6W5ZH-JwSg
 
Lol, no dude, I wrote that all myself. And the PM OP too. I write all my own material. You see, I am more than a pretty face, whereas you, unfortately, woudl appear not to be. Oh well... here's something to console yourself with

http://youtube.com/watch?v=L6W5ZH-JwSg

This is drawn from another forum of sorts, so excuse the occasional incongruity with this environment. Nonetheless, to any deniers, I would love to know how, given the below (which leaves aside many other important issues), leads you to any conclusion other than that this was an inside job.

As you can clearly see, no where in that post does it say you wrote it. As it says you drew it from another forum, and the fact that you couldn't find the Medal Of Honor error in plain sight, one MUST come to the conclusion that you cut and pasted simply because it sounded good.

And by the way, why are you so infatuated with my looks?
 
You will find the article on my 911blogger blog.
Sorry mjd1982, you've already made a name for yourself as a guy who sends us off on wild goose chases. Present the link to the article here, you claim it's on your blog so it should be quite easy for you to link to it. If you can't do that, it will just further add to your reputation as a master in the art of flinging bovine excrement through your teeth.

The point about there not being facts in this thread is something that will eternally serve a s reminder to the unremitting capacity for gross stupidity of human beings.
You've presented only innuendo, hearsay, speculation, and even some outright lies in your increasingly pathetic attempt to appear to be offering a fact. Do you have any actual facts?
 
You confuse the fact that it is you who is lumbering across the landscape with your deficitent comprehension. Lets have a look how:


3. "Disquisition", used ironically, is defined;

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disquisition

Once you improve your reading skills, you should improve your dictionary reading skills.

5. "Hence why" is perfectly correct english. Once again, your command of the language is dismal. www.tutorvista.com- this should help you.

By jiminy, you are a saucy young whippersnapper! Just wait till I get my teeth out of the glass...

I'm still trying to decide about the word "deficitent." Perhaps that is a canvas construction which has gone bust.

About "disquisition" (sounds like a Mel Brooks Conspiracy) the obvious reading of your message was that I was making a digression, not a disquisition. Glad you looked it up, though. A day in which one has learned a new word, or another usage, is a good day. Again, sincere thanks for that.

I'm well aware that "hence why" is not automatically wrong, though it is awkward. It's your usage of it that gets in the way of your argument. My gosh'n'gollies, those weak clauses!

Of course, the mod told me/ us to cut the grammar stuff. I will state, as I'm (probably) dragged into the outer darkness, that the key point I was trying to make is that Mjd's "disquisitions" are so muddled, ungrammatical, confused, and chock-a-block with misused words that they are impossible to understand; his lack of skills at written expression prevent him from arguably sensibly, or at least are clear reflections of his muddled thought on the topic of 9/11.

Farewell. They are at the door. And I'd like my last statement to be, "Daddy/ mommy! He hit me first!" Or not. In the spirit of this conversation, as you please..
 
... his lack of skills at written expression prevent him from arguably sensibly, or at least are clear reflections of his muddled thought on the topic of 9/11.

Oh god... The furies of bad proofreading are circling around my home... Please! I meant to write "arguing sensibly!" but the cat jumped on my lap and my daughter is watching "Thunderbirds" on the TV!... Farewelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.....................
 
As you can clearly see, no where in that post does it say you wrote it. As it says you drew it from another forum, and the fact that you couldn't find the Medal Of Honor error in plain sight, one MUST come to the conclusion that you cut and pasted simply because it sounded good.

And by the way, why are you so infatuated with my looks?
Cos I find you very sexy- whats wrong with that?

I cut and pasted it from my facebook profile/9/11 blogger account.

D-D-D-D-D-D-D'UH BUNKER!!!

Keep in mind the Membership Agreement and do not use personal attacks or insults to argue your point.
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Sorry mjd1982, you've already made a name for yourself as a guy who sends us off on wild goose chases. Present the link to the article here, you claim it's on your blog so it should be quite easy for you to link to it. If you can't do that, it will just further add to your reputation as a master in the art of flinging bovine excrement through your teeth.


You've presented only innuendo, hearsay, speculation, and even some outright lies in your increasingly pathetic attempt to appear to be offering a fact. Do you have any actual facts?
Well researched, o seeker of truth!

http://www.911blogger.com/blog/2189
 
mjd1982 said:
the idea that 9/11 was an inside job may seem too ludicrous to be countenanced. So let me start by saying 3 things: firstly, it is an idea that is now believed by 50 % of the 9/11 victim’s families

this quote, from one of your blogs, which then links to PrisonPlanet, is exactly the type of dishonest claptrap you spout

you have nothing mate, absolutely, a big fat zero when it comes to evidence or facts actually support your theory

your very crude and snide use of insults actually show how little you have, if you had more you would not need the resort to this tactic as it is a certain sign of someone who cannot debate properly

inference, interpretation, quote mining, cherry picking, hand waving, ignoring and insults are all you have
 
this quote, from one of your blogs, which then links to PrisonPlanet, is exactly the type of dishonest claptrap you spout

you have nothing mate, absolutely, a big fat zero when it comes to evidence or facts actually support your theory

your very crude and snide use of insults actually show how little you have, if you had more you would not need the resort to this tactic as it is a certain sign of someone who cannot debate properly

inference, interpretation, quote mining, cherry picking, hand waving, ignoring and insults are all you have
That it links to prison planet is neither here nor there. It links to a quore from the head of the biggest victims family group. This is the point. Had you any skills of analysis, you would not need me to tell you this.

I am snide from time to time here. This is true. However, I think I am in my rights to , since this is the tone adopted by the OTers here to any CTer who appears. It is the tone of the mods as well, in my experience. You are just having a taste of your own medicine, and you dont like it. That is no ones problem but your own.

If people are willing to entertain civil discourse, then this is what will be prusued.
 

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