SezMe
post-pre-born
So, edge, the IIG test is the ideal way to proceed. They can guarantee media coverage if you pass their test. Get over to the over thread and let's get on with it.
Tricky
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Definitely your choice. You were offered a simple protocol which tests exactly what you say you can do. You refused it. It was your choice.
By you.
I don't have a million, but I would bet any amount you care to match. Actually, I bet quite some time ago that you would always find some excuse not to take the Randi Challenge. It looks like I won that bet.
Really, who quit the negotiations when I tried to optimize the conditions?
Yes you wanted to put interferences in the empty containers.
What's wrong with empties?
There's gold, and then there is no gold, or silver?
We were two steps away from finalizing.
They backed out not me.
Paulhoff
You can't expect perfection.
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You kept changing the rules and kept finding problems that where not there. How come there are big problems for you in test but not in the field, because no one see you fail in the field and/or you don't count those.
Paul
Dowsing is BS edge.
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Tricky
Briefly immortal
They had already put up with so many of your changes to the protocol that it became apparent that you were never going to stop making changes. This has been apparent to all of us here for a long time.
You could have accepted one of their protocols at any time. Their protocol was quite adequate for exactly what you claim to be able to do. You rejected it, insisting on changes. It was your choice to do so.
You have never presented a workable (or coherent) protocol. When people have tried to help you make one, you change it. You had every chance, Edge. It's been over two years since you were eligible to test again but most of that time was spent making wild assertions about "neutral ground" or "places where metal levitates" or similar nonsense. You blew it. Only you.
Mr. Guska,
If you have an issue with the termination of your Challenge negotiations, please contact the JREF directly. The forum is a place of discussion, not Mr. Guska's House of Baseless JREF Complaints.
Add something to the discussion, or kindly stop posting in this thread.
~RemieV
If you have an issue with the termination of your Challenge negotiations, please contact the JREF directly. The forum is a place of discussion, not Mr. Guska's House of Baseless JREF Complaints.
Add something to the discussion, or kindly stop posting in this thread.
~RemieV
Really! It seems that the OP is Mine.
The discussion starts with me And unless you can't follow it, that would mean you think people are blind and then it is ok to bash people if they don't go along with your views, is that it?
You must really think people are blind.
Truth is truth, not baseless.
I have been here ready and still am, you quit not me.
Tricky says,
It seems your memory is off slightly it's been slightly over 7 years.
I tested in 99.
Wild assertions, about what? the things I have learned through experiments and tests that I have done. But your one double blind form of a test isn't flawed, you really believe that horse puttuty?
Is that it, even though I incorporated the same basic principals involved in double blinding.?
The I.I.G. is the same way from what I can see.
They are trying to hedge their bet also.
The more they learn of what I can do the more they run.....
Tricky
Briefly immortal
Yes, using the JREF's protocol, which you have subseqently declared was inadequate (since you failed). I don't believe you proposed that protocol. It is too simple and straightforward to be one of your proposals.
My comment stands. YOU have not presented a workable protocol.
I've seen the results of exactly one test, the one you did with Sez Me, and it was full of flaws and opportunities for sensory leakage.
This is what I mean by incoherent. It isn't even a sentence.
I'm not sure you understand yet what "double blinding" means. Why don't you explain it for us in your own words?
LOL. Yeah, you just keep telling yourself that. It couldn't have anything to do with your inability to form a coherent sentence, much less a reasonable protocol, could it?
Miss Anthrope
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Major pruning in progress per the JREF staff. Derails and personalizing the argument will be immediately moved to the closed thread in AAH.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic Posted By: Miss Anthrope
Forum manners would usually require me to complain about the selective movement of posts from this thread. We'll skip that.
Fresh start. Kinda.
Edge, what are your specific plans involving the creation of an acceptable protocol for a future JREF test?
Will you, as you mentioned before, apply again for the JREF Challenge in the future?
Fresh start. Kinda.
Edge, what are your specific plans involving the creation of an acceptable protocol for a future JREF test?
Will you, as you mentioned before, apply again for the JREF Challenge in the future?
Tricky
Briefly immortal
I am curious as to whether Edge is allowed to apply again under the old rules. If he is not, then I predict he will not be able to satisfy the requirements of the new rules.
They pretty much cut me out of the loop, that's why I applied when I did.
I wasn't quite ready, but I became ready by the time I found out about the scales working for me.
I doubt that there is a dowser anywhere that will fit their criteria now.
That's too bad.
I will have to find a set of scientists that don’t have any money involved to do the testing for the creditability and the information that might be gained.
As you have read what I posted the other skeptical groups aren't much better.
All of them will read into what is written here and hedge their bets.
If I am right about this the rewards can come later.
They won't accept any more applications from me, they have changed their rules..
I had this post in mind:
In general, I don't keep up with these threads, so messages should NOT be directed to me in the forum. Send mail to jeff@randi.org.
However, I see there's a lot of interest in testing Edge. So.. do it.
Edge, should you be able to pass a test - even a preliminary - with any other skeptical group, it would count hugely towards you being accepted for a future JREF test.
If I were you - honestly and genuinely interested in taking the JREF Challenge again, convinced about the existence of my claimed ability - I would:
1. Refine my protocol and my skills over the next months to the point of my protocol exactly matching my skills
2. Be ready to be tested on short notice
3. Apply for one of the other available prizes
4. Inquire at the JREF how they would recognize a success at another skeptical challenge
5. Inquire at local colleges, universities, etc. if they would be interested in a controlled test of my dowsing abilities
On a different note: About one third of this thread has been moved, rightfully, clear evidence of people letting vanity getting the better of themselves. That includes me.
Edge, I sincerely apologize to you for the numerous jabs and punches I dished out to you.
If you are seriously willing to give it another go sometime, I will try to help to the best of my ability. However, you will have to convince me of your seriousness. Mere talking will not suffice.
Tricky
Briefly immortal
They will still accept your application, but it will be harder now. You have to get a reliable person to vouch for your ability to dowse. You also have to have a "media presence", but if you can get a reliable person to vouch for you, then you can probably get the local paper to write it up.
While this may seem unfair, it will probably turn out t be for the best. Now you can get on with your life and stop wasting time on this hopeless pursuit.
Not until I have a neutral set of people to do it, where no money is involved.
In this way they won't be afraid to test. If I do that what need do I have for the JREF?
If I get creditability this way the money that the JREF has to offer will mean nothing.
JREf will probably take dowsing off their list soon, which will probably happen next, that’s my prediction.
Pophoff says,
My protocol proves that dowsing works that's why it wasn't accepted.
It's my ability that scares them and they know that they stood a good chance of losing the money.
They can always disprove all the rest of the things that are considered phenomenon but now the simple act of dowsing can be proven so do the math and read between the lines that are left, anyway too bad this whole thread has been hacked to pieces because I doubt that you can now, (if you are new to this thread), read between the lines.
They have covered themselves so no one can read between the lines with a flimsy excuse like the sort of things we do in here don’t happen anywhere else on this forum, and those things continue as I speak, on other posts as has always been the case in here.
That's what made this so fun. I never complaned to a moderater, not once.
I will tell you directly.
Truth in here can't go public and I knew that one of two things would happen.
Locked thread or editing the truth that was written here.
GzuzKryzt said,
Don’t worry about it I knew better and what you guys did was make me look deeper and harder, there was a few moments when I thought you might be right but then all of a sudden something would come to light and change my mind and still even I have to wonder.
If my luck weren’t so bad I would have said it was chance, but the measuring of a force that can’t be so-called measured tells me something else and the difference in one spot calibrating differently from place to place fascinates me.
It falls along the lines perfectly, with what I have been saying all along that the more neutral the ground the better the score.
My protocol would have eliminated any more excuses, it couldn’t be optimized any better than what I had as a protocol, to either prove or at the same time disprove that dowsing works.
I doubt that there is a dowser in the whole world that has looked at this as much as I have in that respect.
Three more things, edge:
1. You are quite good at evading simple questions.
2. The reasons why this thread has been pruned seem obvious to everyone but you. This should make you think. If you feel this thread has been edited unfairly, you could open a thread in a relevant subforum (e.g.: Forum Management, Community) and put your facts up to discussion.
3. All your sour grapes will not prove your ability. Only a test under controlled conditions will. If you think your protocol proves your ability, apply for any other challenge and prove it. Simple, right? What is keeping you from snagging up all the other available challenge prizes?
1. You are quite good at evading simple questions.
2. The reasons why this thread has been pruned seem obvious to everyone but you. This should make you think. If you feel this thread has been edited unfairly, you could open a thread in a relevant subforum (e.g.: Forum Management, Community) and put your facts up to discussion.
3. All your sour grapes will not prove your ability. Only a test under controlled conditions will. If you think your protocol proves your ability, apply for any other challenge and prove it. Simple, right? What is keeping you from snagging up all the other available challenge prizes?
