AG Gonzales has resigned

[Darth Rotor]

So the AG has higher requirements than the supreme court?(There is no legal requirement that someone must be a lawyer to sit on the supreme court, it would just be laughted out of the senate)

What about the word Attorney are you not getting?

What are the odds that an Attorney General would be chosen from a non Attorney? (Perhaps a few were in the past. I'd have to look it up.) Given that I live in the Now, I think that Congressional oversight is sufficient to preclude any non Attorney from being appointed AG successfully.

Do you disagree with this assessment?

DR

 

[ponderingturtle]

What about the word Attorney are you not getting?

So where is the law saying that the AG must be a lawyer? I have stated that the supreme court has no such law. Now a non lawyer would be unlikely to get past the senate, but then again the AG is a political position and most politicians are already lawyers.

How about Brown? Being a Lawyer seemed to be his main qualification for heading up FEMA.

 

[Darth Rotor]

So where is the law saying that the AG must be a lawyer? I have stated that the supreme court has no such law. Now a non lawyer would be unlikely to get past the senate, but then again the AG is a political position and most politicians are already lawyers.

How about Brown? Being a Lawyer seemed to be his main qualification for heading up FEMA.

Do you have a point? I did not claim that a law restricted the position. You are arguing against a chimera. "Tends to need at least Law School familiarity with The Law."

Do you bother reading before you sound off?

DR

 

[hgc]

How about Rudi Giuliani?

Is the "Rudi" spelling an allusion to his frequent cross-dressing?

Anyway, I can picture this: Hey Rudy! You're currently the leading Republican candidate for president - a job which you really seem to want. How would you like to drop that and take up the worst job in America instead: following the worst AG in history to finish out the term for the worst president in history?

Hmmm. I bet he'll stick to crazy on the campaign trial over crazy in lameduck BushCo.

 

[DanishDynamite]

Linky

Not much more info than that so far.

ETA: CNN is reporting it, too.

Who cares? One official in an elected administration leaves and another takes his/her place. Wow.

Looking forward to political subjects of real interest to discuss.

 

[DanishDynamite]

No slight on you, Katana.

Just a weary comment on the level of this sub-forum.

 

[Katana]

No slight on you, Katana.

Just a weary comment on the level of this sub-forum.

No problem - although I do think that this was an interesting development.

You can attribute that to my bias as an American.

 

[DanishDynamite]

You can attribute that to my bias as an American.

I did.

But seriously, a subject such as this just reflects the headline news talking heads. It has no real substance, no real interest. At least as far as I or any other foreigner is concerned.

 

[Policenaut]

The fact that he resigned wasn't as surprising as the rumored replacement. At least to me.

 

[delphi_ote]

Who cares? One official in an elected administration leaves and another takes his/her place. Wow.

Looking forward to political subjects of real interest to discuss.

I have a great idea! How about you start your very own thread about it and not harass people discussing something they find interesting? kthnxbye!

 

[Damien Evans]

Everyone mention up to that point in the thread, including the members of the Senate, but excluding, of course, Malkovich.

So, broadly speaking, you hate politicians, right?

 

[pgwenthold]

What about the word Attorney are you not getting?

It also says General

I guess that means it has to be someone from the military?

 

[Darth Rotor]

It also says General

I guess that means it has to be someone from the military?

No, it is bloody obvious that the other sense of the term "General" (as an adjective to the term attorney" is being used, just as Postmaster General, has also no military connotation. Likewise the Soliciter General. Surgeon General.

Ya see a pattern here?

This deliberately obtuse game is beneath you.

Please, if you can, point to an attorney general who was not first an attorney. Put the E into JREF. I am all ears.

DR

 

[Complexity]

So, broadly speaking, you hate politicians, right?

Let's see...

I hate politicians who want power for its own sake, who use power to reward their friends and injure their enemies, whose words do not match their deeds, who pretend to serve while striving to be master, who are more interested in winning the next election than doing their sworn duty, who do not practice justice or fairness, who see the law as a money-making machine, who neither have nor respect honor.

I think that covers them all.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Let's see...

I hate politicians who want power for its own sake, who use power to reward their friends and injure their enemies, whose words do not match their deeds, who pretend to serve while striving to be master, who are more interested in winning the next election than doing their sworn duty, who do not practice justice or fairness, who see the law as a money-making machine, who neither have nor respect honor.

I think that covers them all.

I'll go out on a limb and suggest that the guy I sent a few bucks to last October, James Webb of Virginia, is not that sort of guy. If I have been fooled, then shame on me. I'll bet the over on his character and integrity.

DR

 

[pgwenthold]

No, it is bloody obvious that the other sense of the term "General" (as an adjective to the term attorney" is being used, just as Postmaster General, has also no military connotation. Likewise the Soliciter General. Surgeon General.

Does the Surgeon General have to be a Surgeon? They are generally doctors, yes, but how often are they surgeons? Jocelyn Elders was a pediatrician.

Does the Postmaster General have to have postmaster experience? Clinton's postmaster general Runyon had no postal experience of any sort before being appointed to the post.

Is the Soliciter General have to be a Soliciter?

Ya see a pattern here?

Yeah, in all the other fields you mentioned, you do not have to have the title before taking the post.

You are better to stick with the arguments that "every AG has always been a lawyer." It still doesn't mean that s/he MUST be a lawyer, but it is better than "the name says attorney."

 

[Darth Rotor]

Does the Surgeon General have to be a Surgeon? They are generally doctors, yes, but how often are they surgeons? Jocelyn Elders was a pediatrician.

Does the Postmaster General have to have postmaster experience? Clinton's postmaster general Runyon had no postal experience of any sort before being appointed to the post.

Good, at least we have that out of the way, thanks.

Is the Soliciter General have to be a Soliciter?

Consider that a synonym for soliciter is lawyer or attorney, and given the English roots of the differences of meaning between solicitor, advocate, lawyer, attorney and barrister, I am sure you can spend hours of fun amusing yourself with the pedant's lexicon, if you so choose.

Yeah, in all the other fields you mentioned, you do not have to have the title before taking the post.

I see, a surgeon is not a doctor, nor a medical professional in your eyes? I too can indulge in pointless pedantry and silliness. Yay me.

You are better to stick with the arguments that "every AG has always been a lawyer." It still doesn't mean that s/he MUST be a lawyer, but it is better than "the name says attorney."

Since the title is directly related to the required skill area, with an adjectival descriptive of general -- which move you played as military, noun, versus its actual adjectival status in your deliberately obtuse gambit -- it isn't good enough for you, perhaps due to your channeling Claus.

Pointless pedantry for fifty, Alex.

Are we done here? I think so.

I'll stick with attorney being a good enough synonym for lawyer that the AG does indeed need to be a lawyer, thus an attorney (distinction small enough to be irrelevant) in order to get the job, and I am thus correct in matching the label to the skill set necessary for the role and duty.

DR

 

[alfaniner]

Well, that whole "lewd Senator" thing kinda blew this off the front pages didn't it?

 

[joobie]

No, it is bloody obvious that the other sense of the term "General" (as an adjective to the term attorney" is being used, just as Postmaster General, has also no military connotation. Likewise the Soliciter General. Surgeon General.

i'm not sure about the others, but i think you will find that the surgeon general is a commissioned officer (vice admiral) in one of the uniformed services of the US (public health service commissioned corps) which can in fact can be designated by the CIC as a military force.

to be pedantic i could also point out that the army, navy, and air force of the US also have officers who hold the title of surgeon general.

 

[Darth Rotor]

i'm not sure about the others, but i think you will find that the surgeon general is a commissioned officer (vice admiral) in one of the uniformed services of the US (public health service commissioned corps) which can in fact can be designated by the CIC as a military force.

to be pedantic i could also point out that the army, navy, and air force of the US also have officers who hold the title of surgeon general.

The Surgeon General of the United States is the head of the United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps (PHSCC). He serves a four year term of office and is commissioned as a Vice Admiral in the PHSCC.

You will note that the uniforms look a lot like Navy Uniforms.

He can't be a General if he is an Admiral.

DR