Time to kick Iran

[Ziggurat]

This is not the one Ion is talking about, apparently..

I'll believe that when he can produce the right one. But considering how he lies about what can easily be confirmed by looking through this very thread, I'm not about to take his word for it that he's really refering to someone else.

 

[Matteo Martini]

Poincare lived in the 20th. century.

Poincare, lived from 1854 to 1912, so, I would say, not really into the 20th century ( not completely, at least ).
But, I agree, that until the 1900s, the U.S. were not in the front part for science..

So?

On a related note, you brown nose U.S..

I was pointing out, that, in diffeerent centuries, different countries were in the front end for science, maths, and so on..

I don't know.

It's the Le Galois Theorem as I remember it, and as it is listed in my transcripts.

I think you got confused with Evariste Galois, as there seem to be no mathematician called " Le Galois "..

 

[Matteo Martini]

I'll believe that when he can produce the right one. But considering how he lies about what can easily be confirmed by looking through this very thread, I'm not about to take his word for it that he's really refering to someone else.

I am not giving up on this..

 

[Elizabeth I]

You didn't mispell.

You haven't learn it.

"You haven't learned it." Or, in British spelling, "You haven't learnt it."

 

[Darth Rotor]

By American standards, Sarkozy is a Socialist.

His Foreign Minister, Bernard Kouchner, was registered until recently in France in the Socialist party.

Hi, Ion, I'd like you to wallow in this European utterance for a moment.

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL2760582320070827

PARIS (Reuters) - French President Nicolas Sarkozy said on Monday a diplomatic push by the world's powers to rein in Tehran's nuclear programme was the only alternative to "an Iranian bomb or the bombing of Iran".
==snip==
Sarkozy said a nuclear-armed Iran would be unacceptable and that major powers should continue their policy of incrementally increasing sanctions against Tehran while being open to talks if Iran suspended nuclear activities.

"This initiative is the only one that can enable us to escape an alternative that I say is catastrophic: the Iranian bomb or the bombing of Iran," he said, adding that it was the worst crisis currently facing the world.

Granted, what he says can be assigned to the category of "political rhetoric," but is along the same lines as President Bush's recent repetition of the prospect of the use of force against Iran.

DR

 

[Ion]

No, I did not say that.
...

August 27 you posted this:

...Poincare's contribution was not the development of any new math,...

I replied with a link showing that Poincare is a founder of topology.

Of course you don't know, U.S. is helpless in education.

But you are also liying.

Your only 'asset' when discussing above your head and education, is to bring lawyer type of arguments to flood a scientific topic.

 

[Ion]

I'll believe that when he can produce the right one...

You believe what?

I remind you the issue is to produce one American mathematician in Engineering books.

I know that U.S. does produce plenty of wars, but can U.S. produce one mathematician in Engineering books?
(feeble try with your Shannon, though)

If 19th. century is too little time for U.S., then consider the 20th. century.

Demonstrably France has Poincare from 20th. century.

 

[Ion]

Poincare, lived from 1854 to 1912, so, I would say, not really into the 20th century ( not completely, at least ).
But, I agree, that until the 1900s, the U.S. were not in the front part for science..
...

From:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincaré

"...Poincaré introduced the modern principle of relativity and was the first to present the Lorentz transformations in their modern symmetrical form. Poincaré discovered the remaining relativistic velocity transformations and recorded them in a letter to Lorentz in 1905..."

That's 20th. century work.

 

[Ion]

"You haven't learned it." Or, in British spelling, "You haven't learnt it."

Thanks, fatso.

What's cos(a+b) off the top of your head, without looking for help?

Never mind education like this, keep on blabbering in a cell phone because someone (not you or an American) designs cell phones.

 

[Ion]

Hi, Ion, I'd like you to wallow in this European utterance for a moment.

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL2760582320070827

Granted, what he says can be assigned to the category of "political rhetoric," but is along the same lines as President Bush's recent repetition of the prospect of the use of force against Iran.

DR

I am wary of the new leaders in France (Sarkozy) and Germany (Merkel).

I liked when Chirac and Schroeder treated Bush and fans like aberrations.

 

[Darth Rotor]

I am wary of the new leaders in France (Sarkozy) and Germany (Merkel).

I liked when Chirac and Schroeder treated Bush and fans like aberrations.

Understood, given your emotional stance.

Why do you think Schroeder wasn't able to sustain his popular appeal?

DR

 

[Ziggurat]

August 27 you posted this:

Poincare's contribution was not the development of any new math,

I replied with a link showing that Poincare is a founder of topology.

Context matters. I already pointed out what you apparently weren't able to figure out, because you're clueless. Let me make explicit, since you apparently aren't able to pick up on context unless you're beaten over the head with it repeatedly (and likely not even then): Poincare's contribution to special relativity was not the development of any new math. You need to work on your reading skills.

But you are also liying.

Would it be unfair of me to point out your spelling mistake, seeing as how you have devoted several posts to that subject alone? See, when you do things like that and then turn around and make mistakes yourself, it betrays you for the pompous fool you are.

Your only 'asset' when discussing above your head and education, is to bring lawyer type of arguments to flood a scientific topic.

Apparently, pointing out facts is "lawyer type of arguments". Still upset about your own source proving you wrong? Being clueless about something like relativity is nothing to be ashamed of, but pretending that you know more about that subject than someone else when you so obviously don't is a recipe for humiliation. Not that you seem to ever notice how big a fool you make of yourself.

 

[Ion]

Understood, given your emotional stance.

Why do you think Schroeder wasn't able to sustain his popular appeal?

DR

I don't know.

I speculate that 5 million of unemployed wanted a change.

 

[Ion]

Context matters. I already pointed out what you apparently weren't able to figure out, because you're clueless.Blah...blah...blah...

The point is that:

.) France had Poincare in 20th. century;

.) Poincare is one of the founders of new mathematics, the topology;

.) Poicare's topology is used in physics, in relativity;

.) U.S. doeasn't have one mathematician like Poincare in Engineering books;

.) U.S. has other interests than this, like wars, Capitalism, and religion.

That's what I said and showed.

 

[Ziggurat]

.) Poicare's topology is used in physics, in relativity;

Nope. As already pointed out to you, and from your own source (I'm still savoring the irony of that, thanks), special relativity does not have any novel topology. It's simply the topology of R4 (do you know what that means?). His contributions were to the transforms, which are part of the metric of special relativity. That's geometry, not topology. Hell, even in general relativity, topology (as opposed to geometry) doesn't really make any appearance until you get to cosmology. Poincare's contributions to special relativity were indeed quite important, but you clearly don't understand what they actually were. But you just can't admit that when it comes to physics, the most you can do is pick the first link in google which matches the terms you think are relevant.

 

[Matteo Martini]

From:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincaré

"...Poincaré introduced the modern principle of relativity and was the first to present the Lorentz transformations in their modern symmetrical form. Poincaré discovered the remaining relativistic velocity transformations and recorded them in a letter to Lorentz in 1905..."

That's 20th. century work.

OK.

So what?

Basically, all the mathematicians you pointed out, were living in the 17th, 18th and 19th century, with the expection of Poincare, who did some notable things up to 1905.

America, became strong in the 20th century.

And I am still waiting for that reply from you about " Le Poincare` "

 

[Matteo Martini]

You believe what?
I know that U.S. does produce plenty of wars, but can U.S. produce one mathematician in Engineering books?
(feeble try with your Shannon, though)

Here you have a list of 400 American Mathematicians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_mathematicians

Here there are some I know ( I get pardon, as my culture is so limited ), from science books:

Norbert Wiener (November 26, 1894, Columbia, Missouri – March 18, 1964, Stockholm Sweden) was an American theoretical and applied mathematician. He was a pioneer in the study of stochastic and noise processes, contributing work relevant to electronic engineering, electronic communication, and control systems. Wiener is also the founder of cybernetics, a field that formalizes the notion of feedback and has implications for engineering, systems control, computer science, biology, philosophy, and the organization of society.

George Bernard Dantzig (8 November 1914 – 13 May 2005) was an American mathematician who introduced the simplex algorithm and is considered the "father of linear programming". He was the recipient of many honors, including the National Medal of Science in 1975, and the John von Neumann Theory Prize in 1974.

 

[Matteo Martini]

Forgot:

John Forbes Nash, Jr. (born June 13, 1928) is an American mathematician who works in game theory, differential geometry, and partial differential equations, serving as a Senior Research Mathematician at Princeton University. He shared the 1994 Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences (also called the Nobel Prize in Economics) with two other game theorists, Reinhard Selten and John Harsanyi.

 

[Ion]

Nope. As already pointed out to you,...

And you are wrong.

I showed that he is a founder of topology which is used in relativity.

When you get a degree based on mathematics -which excludes your lawyering babble- come back.

 

[Ion]

Here you have a list of 400 American Mathematicians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_mathematicians

Here there are some I know ( I get pardon, as my culture is so limited ), from science books:

Norbert Wiener (November 26, 1894, Columbia, Missouri – March 18, 1964, Stockholm Sweden) was an American theoretical and applied mathematician. He was a pioneer in the study of stochastic and noise processes, contributing work relevant to electronic engineering, electronic communication, and control systems. Wiener is also the founder of cybernetics, a field that formalizes the notion of feedback and has implications for engineering, systems control, computer science, biology, philosophy, and the organization of society.

George Bernard Dantzig (8 November 1914 – 13 May 2005) was an American mathematician who introduced the simplex algorithm and is considered the "father of linear programming". He was the recipient of many honors, including the National Medal of Science in 1975, and the John von Neumann Theory Prize in 1974.

Wiener is famous after studying at University of Gottingen in Germany, under the household name Hilbert.
Hilbert is another founder of topology.
So Wiener's excellence comes from education at University of Gottingen in Germany, not U.S..

Dantzig's education was influenced by his father, a student of Poincare in Paris.

To believe that the American standards match Socialist Europe's, you fool yourself, in spite of numerous data that show Europe being ahead.

For example The San Diego Union Tribune of December 7 2004 writes:

"Teens from two-thirds of the world's industrialized countries beat Americans on a scientific test.
"We're not as competitive as we need to be using the skills needed for on-the-job performance,", said Undersecretary Eugene Hickok of the Department of Education, which run the U.S. portion of the tests..."

and The San Diego Union Tribune of Thursday August 24, 2006 writes:

"Roughly one-third of Americans surveyed by a Michigan State University researcher say they do not believe in evolution...In Iceland, Denmark, Sweden, and France, for example, 80 percent or more of the surveyed adult population accept the idea of evolution..."

Combined with lack of hygiene in U.S. when diplaying obesity, lack of height (a study has the average whites in U.S. at 5'10", and in Holland at 6'1", in Czech Republic at 6'0", etc., due to better healthcare), the lack of education in U.S. compared to Socialist Europe is a sign that:

Capitalism with its individualism, doesn't work in civilization