Was Christopher Columbus obsessed with the Bible

Lonewulf said:
Though the statistics could easily be wrong. I've always been skeptical of world-wide statistics; I mean, I'm sure that they might be accurate to a certain extant, but I'm not sure what extant that may be.
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Yes, that is true. However within the context of the argument with Herzblut he used the same source that says there are 240 million atheists worldwide to say that China has a majority atheist population, hence the dishonesty.
 
TriangleMan said:
Oddly enough despite this quote being touted around some athiest websites I don't think it is a true quote. I tried researching it a year ago and I've found no record of it earlier than the 1980s, and it was not in Pigfetta's journal of the Magellan expeditions (in fact the journal rarely quoted anyone, just listed events that occured during the voyage). Unless someone can show where the original source for it is, I think the "shadow on the moon" quote is an urban legend.
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Agreed. For one thing, the Church did not teach that the Earth was flat.
 
I checked Columbus' book on Amazon.com and the reviews of it are quite different from what DOC and the RCC would have us believe it seems.

Columbus was more obsessed with getting continued funding for his expeditions.
 
UnrepentantSinner said:
I checked Columbus' book on Amazon.com and the reviews of it are quite different from what DOC and the RCC would have us believe it seems.

Columbus was more obsessed with getting continued funding for his expeditions.
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I don't know what reviews you were looking at but I only found 2 reviews on Amazon for Columbus' Book of Prophecies. One of the reviewers didn't even read the book; but this one did:

From Amazon.com

"I learned more about what drove him to discovering the Americas. His faith and passion for the Bible and other prophecies was unexpected. He strongly believed he had a great work to do, so he compiled many of the prophecies that meant alot to him, which brought his life into focus for him. You'll learn more about the real Columbus here than you could ever learn in a history book."

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cu...6962?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books#customerReviews
 
I, for one, find it very illuminating that while Columbus raped, pillaged, looted, and enslaved his way around the Caribbean, he had Jesus in his heart.
 
Cleon said:
I, for one, find it very illuminating that while Columbus raped, pillaged, looted, and enslaved his way around the Caribbean, he had Jesus in his heart.
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Isn't that what Christianity is all about?
 
Cleon said:
I, for one, find it very illuminating that while Columbus raped, pillaged, looted, and enslaved his way around the Caribbean, he had Jesus in his heart.
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I know Columbus had some of his own men hanged for disobedience -- so he didn't play favorites. You had to be a tough character back then to command 3 ships on a dangerous mission. You've heard the story about how some in his own crew wanted to throw him over board if he didn't turn back. Sure Columbus wasn't perfect (just like the warrior king, King David, wasn't perfect) but you and the entire Western Hemisphere enjoy the benefits of his voyage don't you. Yes it would have been nice if Columbus was peace, love, and Woodstock but that wasn't the reality of the time.

The entire Western Hemisphere (including Native Americans) are now enjoying peace because of the dangerous voyages of the quasi-Christian explorers. Or would you rather people like the Aztecs still be killing up to 50,000 a year to satisfy their god so the sun would still rise.

According to the book "The picture History of the Great Explorers" by Gillian Clements:

They (Aztecs) imprisoned their enemies like the Tlaxcalans, and killed up to 50,000 of them a year at Tenachtitlan's great temple"
 
DOC said:
The entire Western Hemisphere (including Native Americans) are now enjoying peace because of the dangerous voyages of the quasi-Christian explorers. Or would you rather people like the Aztecs still be killing up to 50,000 a year to satisfy their god so the sun would still rise.
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So they couldn't figure out that human sacrifices where wrong on their own, huh? They needed the great white Christian fathers to teach the "savages" morality even if it kills them?

My, how very racist of you.
 
Mark A. Siefert said:
So they couldn't figure out that human sacrifices where wrong on their own, huh? They needed the great white Christian fathers to teach the "savages" morality even if it kills them?

My, how very racist of you.
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So the Europeans had to slaughter folks to keep them from slaughtering each other. That's what Christianity is all about, isn't it?
 
JoeEllison said:
So the Europeans had to slaughter folks to keep them from slaughtering each other. That's what Christianity is all about, isn't it?
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Well the Europeans had the help of other Indian tribes.

THE HISTORY OF THE TLAXCALANS, 2
By John P. Schmal

"The anthropologist Eric R. Wolf stressed the great contribution of Cortés' Indian allies in the capture of Tenochtitlán. Wolf writes that "Spanish firepower and cavalry would have been impotent against the Mexica armies without" the support of the Tlaxcalans and the Texcocans."

http://www.houstonculture.org/mexico/tlaxcala2.html


I would of helped Cortez too, if up to 50,000 of my people a year were being slaughtered by another tribe.
 
DOC said:
I know Columbus had some of his own men hanged for disobedience -- so he didn't play favorites. You had to be a tough character back then to command 3 ships on a dangerous mission. You've heard the story about how some in his own crew wanted to throw him over board if he didn't turn back. Sure Columbus wasn't perfect (just like the warrior king, King David, wasn't perfect) but you and the entire Western Hemisphere enjoy the benefits of his voyage don't you. Yes it would have been nice if Columbus was peace, love, and Woodstock but that wasn't the reality of the time.
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Are you serious???!?!

The entire Western Hemisphere (including Native Americans) are now enjoying peace because of the dangerous voyages of the quasi-Christian explorers.
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:jaw-dropp
Surely you can't be serious.

Or would you rather people like the Aztecs still be killing up to 50,000 a year to satisfy their god so the sun would still rise.
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Please tell me you're not serious.

According to the book "The picture History of the Great Explorers" by Gillian Clements:

They (Aztecs) imprisoned their enemies like the Tlaxcalans, and killed up to 50,000 of them a year at Tenachtitlan's great temple"
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Oh, my sweet Lord, I think you might actually be serious. :(
 
Mark A. Siefert said:
So they couldn't figure out that human sacrifices where wrong on their own, huh? They needed the great white Christian fathers to teach the "savages" morality even if it kills them?

My, how very racist of you.
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Maybe we should of hoped that the Nazis would have figured out that killing Jews and attacking other countries was wrong on their own.
 
DOC said:
Maybe we should of hoped that the Nazis would have figured out that killing Jews and attacking other countries was wrong on their own.
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Wow, I'm shocked that you don't approve of Nazis, since they were Christians as well. Interesting?
 
Cleon said:
Are you serious???!?!




Surely you can't be serious.



Please tell me you're not serious.




Oh, my sweet Lord, I think you might actually be serious.
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I'm very serious. Freedom isn't free. There was a lot of blood spilt for the freedoms you enjoy -- including Christ's.

And the more this country becomes like atheistic Socialist and Communist countries the less freedoms you will enjoy.
 
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DOC said:
I'm very serious.
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Then I'm very sorry for you.

Freedom isn't free.
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What Columbus was spreading was not "freedom" by any definition of the word.

There was a lot of blood spilt for the freedoms you enjoy -- including Christ's.
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Oh, do tell. What freedom that I currently enjoy did Jesus die for? Be specific, now.

And the more this country becomes like atheistic Socialist and Communist countries the less freedoms you will enjoy.
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And blah, blah, blah.
 
DOC said:
There was a lot of blood spilt for the freedoms you enjoy -- including Christ's.

And the more this country becomes like atheistic Socialist and Communist countries the less freedoms you will enjoy.
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Funny, one of the last century's most ardent supporters of free markets and individual liberty (despite her flaws) was an atheist. I'm a atheist, and I'm not a fan of socialism. Hell, I even refuse to vote Democrat. (Not that I'd ever vote "Repugnant-can," either.)

So much for your atheist-equals-Communist strawman.

As for Jesus, if he existed at all, the Bible shows that he was a bigger "commie" than Marx. I wouldn't go looking to Him for an American vision of freedom. In point of fact, my support for free markets is one of the reason I'm opposed to collectivist, guilt-trip-altruism of Christianity.
 
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