The 9/11 Conspiracy Facts

[mjd1982]

Yes maybe you should. Maybe you should back up you claims that 84% of American believe, like you that the USG committed mass murder on 911...

wrong answer. Try again

 

[mjd1982]

mjd, if 84% don't believe the official story and are not taking action because they too are "sheep", wouldn't your forum time be better spent at a place where folks already agree with your story, but have failed to organize and take action?

You could spur them to action! After all, they already agree with you! Think how much more effectively your time would be spent!

I spend lots of time doing such.

 

[mjd1982]

They don't have access to Youtube outside of America? These websites from which you draw your "information" are accessible to pretty much anyone, are they not?

The scope of internet media is miniscule compared to that of MSM. Hence why only 42% of the US know the most rudimentary fact about the most newsworthy and reported evnent of their lives- how many skyscrapers fell on 911. The figure in other countries will be far, far smaller.

And not the old "sheep" canard again. I can't believe Truthers are still flogging that dead horse. Do you really believe that on a planet of 6 billion people, it is only you and a handful of others that care if 3,000+ innocent people are brutally murdered and their murderers construct a massive conspiracy to evade punishment?

where did i say anythign about care?

In typical Truther fashion, you dismiss a question that strikes at the very heart of your theory. Even if one accepts the ridiculous notion that the U.S Government controls the American media completely and totally,

An astonishing piece of ignorance, I have posted on this too many times now; read "Manufacturing Consent" by Chomsky and Herman; this book shoudl be obligatory reading for OT kooks on this board.

it still doesn't explain why no one in the foreign media has picked up on what Truthers claim is so obvious. Nor does it explain why nations unfriendly to the U.S. haven't taken this damning information and used it to bring down our government.

1. What is your proof that this hasnt happened?
2. How would they use it to "bring down" the USG?

And now for my bid at the Million Dollar Challenge: I shall use my psychic abilities to prognosticate that mjd1982 will either ignore or dismiss this point, and then go back to arguing about something like what the word "pull" means.

So do i get the million dollars then?

 

[WildCat]

The scope of internet media is miniscule compared to that of MSM. Hence why only 42% of the US know the most rudimentary fact about the most newsworthy and reported evnent of their lives- how many skyscrapers fell on 911.

Do you know how many fell? And how many were attacked?

The figure in other countries will be far, far smaller.

Evidence?

 

[stateofgrace]

wrong answer. Try again

Stop copying my replies, only people who have no ability to think for themselves copy other people thoughts,sheep copy other people’s thoughts.

I see no evidence to back up your claim that 84 % of Americans think the USG committed mass murder on 911, got any?

Oh how did it go with Interpol? Have you told them yet, passed on all your information? When can we expect them to start the investigation? Are they going to indict anybody?

I take you have been in touch, right?

 

[funk de fino]

This was being done. On a fairly constant basis. Or did you forget the 70+ investigations by the FBI into terrorism, or the Al Qaeda investigative cell of the FBI? What do you think they did?


As for number seven... what, EXACTLY, would that have accomplished, pray tell? NORAD's mission has always been focused outward, to air threats coming from overseas; how does this help deal with aircraft that have been hijacked WITHIN US borders? Not to mention, looking over the unclassified text of the 6th August PDB (located here: http://www.agonist.org/annex/pdb.htm), I see nothing that pertains to NORAD's mission at the time and is certainly no excuse for placing them in FPCON Delta, a condition, I might add, which is never intended to be maintained for more than a week or two at a time, given the difficulty in carrying it out. (Note: Red alert, or Force Protection Condition Delta, can be defined on any military website; just do a search) Those sorts of conditions are never meant to be maintained for weeks at a time, which would have to have been done if they implemented it right after August 6th, as you would have liked.

he has read the report and ignored your first point as has been proved already by him claiming that zero was done even though the report states that actions were carried out with 20 other countries involved to beak up AQ cells outwith the US, he will continue to ignore this point because it proves his theory wrong

as an ex military person who has been inolved in similar raising of threat levels this second paragrapgh is a good point

it is virtually inpossible to stay at the highest threat level for any length of time, this is why it is only for a specific attack when a target is usually known and a very confident date of attack

none of the reports i have seen give credence to the fact that the US should have been on the highest alert, to keep in place from 6/8 till 9/11 would have been next to impossible

unfortunately MJD has no idea of the work and resources needed to try and attempt what he is claiming should have been done

i very much doubt if the UK would even have gone as high as Amber for this type of info

he has ignored my relies regarding the report after asking me to read it, it seems he has not read it either

 

[Brainache]

I would speculate that even if the US had done everything that mjd suggests they should have, it wouldn't have stopped Al Qaida. The specific attack may have been different, but these guys were/are smart, and determined. I think they would have just changed tactics and caused havoc some other way.

1. Chase down AQ cells
2. Harden border secutiry
3. Hardn airplane security
4. Toughen airport security
5. Toughen cockpit doors
6. Kill OBL when offered/have him handed over when offered
7. Make sure NORAD is on red alert,given 6th august.

1. Generally takes longer than on the telly Einstein.
2. Yeah. Maybe build a wall two miles high around the whole country. That would work.
3. On every plane and airport in the US within a few months? Again the real world is more complex than TV.
4. How? Steroids?
5. OK how long would that take without grounding every plane in the states? Or maybe they should have grounded every plane in the States and every plane likely to fly there while toughened doors were installed?
6. Yeah because the Taliban wanted nothing more than one of their biggest supporters dragged away in chains or their country the target of rocket attacks.
7. Stupid NORAD always looking for foreign planes!

 

[WildCat]

7. Stupid NORAD always looking for foreign planes!

It amazes me that troofers think that NORAD would have shot down the hijacked planes that hit the WTC if they had intercepted them in time. Sorry mjd1982, the Air Force was not in the business of shooting down civilian airliners simply because they were hijacked.

 

[Corsair 115]

As ive told you, it will be either because they dont know the facts, or because, like you, they are sheep.

Really? The citizens of France, Britain, Germany, Australia, Japan, Switzerland, Belgium, Canada, New Zealand, Spain, Portugal, Iceland, Norway, Greenland, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, The Netherlands, they're all don't know the facts or are just sheep? What a wonderful world view you have.

 

[twinstead]

Really? The citizens of France, Britain, Germany, Australia, Japan, Switzerland, Belgium, Canada, New Zealand, Spain, Portugal, Iceland, Norway, Greenland, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, The Netherlands, they're all don't know the facts or are just sheep? What a wonderful world view you have.

It appears that in mjd's world, the common definition for 'sheep' is 'those who disagree with me'.

 

[mjd1982]

Do you know how many fell? And how many were attacked?


Evidence?

3 skyscrapers. 2 attacked

 

[mjd1982]

Stop copying my replies, only people who have no ability to think for themselves copy other people thoughts,sheep copy other people’s thoughts.

I see no evidence to back up your claim that 84 % of Americans think the USG committed mass murder on 911, got any?

Oh how did it go with Interpol? Have you told them yet, passed on all your information? When can we expect them to start the investigation? Are they going to indict anybody?

I take you have been in touch, right?

I never claimed that.

And no, I havent contacted Interpol

*sigh*

 

[mjd1982]

I would speculate that even if the US had done everything that mjd suggests they should have, it wouldn't have stopped Al Qaida. The specific attack may have been different, but these guys were/are smart, and determined. I think they would have just changed tactics and caused havoc some other way.


1. Generally takes longer than on the telly Einstein.
2. Yeah. Maybe build a wall two miles high around the whole country. That would work.
3. On every plane and airport in the US within a few months? Again the real world is more complex than TV.
4. How? Steroids?
5. OK how long would that take without grounding every plane in the states? Or maybe they should have grounded every plane in the States and every plane likely to fly there while toughened doors were installed?
6. Yeah because the Taliban wanted nothing more than one of their biggest supporters dragged away in chains or their country the target of rocket attacks.
7. Stupid NORAD always looking for foreign planes!

It may not have stopped them. The point is, and has always been, that they didnt try. This is where criminal negligence differs from incompetence.

 

[mjd1982]

It amazes me that troofers think that NORAD would have shot down the hijacked planes that hit the WTC if they had intercepted them in time. Sorry mjd1982, the Air Force was not in the business of shooting down civilian airliners simply because they were hijacked.

1. They didnt have to shoot them down.
2. It wasnt just 11 and 175 that were hijacked tht day.

 

[mjd1982]

Really? The citizens of France, Britain, Germany, Australia, Japan, Switzerland, Belgium, Canada, New Zealand, Spain, Portugal, Iceland, Norway, Greenland, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, The Netherlands, they're all don't know the facts or are just sheep? What a wonderful world view you have.

Where do the people of these countries come into matters?

And, incidentally, if you are going to argue on the basis on social consensuses, all polls show that of those who know the facts about 911, the overwhelming amount agree with me, not you.

It is the rest, who are sheep. I include you and all OTers on this board in taht description.

 

[stateofgrace]

I never claimed that.

Finally we are making progress so you now are not claiming that 84% of Americans agree with you that the USG committed mass murder on 911. OH wait.....

And, incidentally, if you are going to argue on the basis on social consensuses, all polls show that of those who know the facts about 911, the overwhelming amount agree with me, not you.

So how many agree with you? Please remember the US as a population of 300,000,000. How many millions agree with you?

And no, I havent contacted Interpol

Where do the people of these countries come into matters?

Because these countries.

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are part of Interpol, they make up an organisation who’s aim is this...

INTERPOL runs a global police communications system called I-24/7, which provides police around the world with a common platform through which they can share crucial information about criminals and criminality.

Who have stated this.

It is no exaggeration to say that terrorism is a truly GLOBAL problem.

and this

nearly 3,000 people from over 70 countries were brutally murdered, including hundreds of our fellow law enforcement officers

http://www.interpol.int/default.asp

YOU have evidence and facts that prove the USG was involved in mass murder, a crime against humanity.

Don’t you think they are entitled to know? Or is it better to keep coming here, calling everybody sheep and excusing yourself for not telling them?

You want an investiagtion don't you? You have the evidence don't you? What are you waiting for?

Here you go.

http://www.interpol.int/public/mail/mail3.asp?id=info

Stop protecting mass murderers, stop coming here and telling me all about it, DO SOMETHING, and inform the real investigators.

Why do I KNOW you will never contact them?

 

[A W Smith]

if you are going to argue on the basis on social consensuses, all polls show that of those who know the facts about 911, the overwhelming amount agree with me, not you.

produce valid evidence from legitimate scientific polls or concede.

 

[Corsair 115]

Where do the people of these countries come into matters?

Let me refresh your memory.

Stateofgrace said:

Yet no reaction from the international community, why is that mjd?

You replied with:

As ive told you, it will be either because they dont know the facts, or because, like you, they are sheep.

 

[Dr Adequate]

And, incidentally, if you are going to argue on the basis on social consensuses, all polls show that of those who know the facts about 911, the overwhelming amount agree with me, not you.

Where, let me guess, "those who know the facts about 911" are defined by their agreement with you.

 

[Dr Adequate]

1. They didnt have to shoot them down.

They should have rammed them?

What?

2. It wasnt just 11 and 175 that were hijacked tht day.

Did anyone say otherwise?