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Audiophilia - From skeptic to believer

ExtremeSkeptic said:
Imagine two cloned skeptics, both are inside a house looking out to the forest...
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Imagine a bunch of skeptics, and one super skeptic. The super skeptic says using different power cords distinctively change the sound of the music coming out of his hifi system. The normal skeptics (being skeptical) find this difficult to believe, and they challenge him to prove it.

The super skeptic then clearly and consistently demonstrates that he can identify which power cord is being used in each test in an independently controlled, double blind test. The normal skeptics are surprised, and congratulate the super skeptic on proving them wrong. They all become good friends, and live happily ever after in the enchanted forest.

It's fun to imagine, isn't it boys and girls? :)
 
Audiophiles who are using thick cables are making the sound worse but they like it more because it sounds warmer and more "musical".
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that might work for power, but not for speakers. the thick cords have inductance issues.
 
The super skeptic then clearly and consistently demonstrates that he can identify which power cord is being used in each test in an independently controlled, double blind test.
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i'd offer 1 million USD to anyone who can hear a difference in power cords, that isn't easily explained through well-known EE principles. well, i don't have 1 mil cash on hand, give me a few years.
 
Double-blind tests

ExtremeSkeptic said:
I have already done a double blind test. Here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_bMgSYpZac
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ExtremeSkeptic, I was going to ask what you had against double-blind tests, so I searched this thread to see if you'd spoken on the issue.

I watched the video (link below) in which you claim to have made such a test, and see you really didn't.

Although you may have started out right, once you changed what you were testing for after you found out you were wrong, that made the test worthless.

You started out testing to see if you could tell the difference between different power cords, and when you found out you couldn't, you changed the test you already performed into a test of whether or not you could tell if a cord was plugged in all the way. Testing for something backwards like that is not a double blind test.

If you really thought you could hear if a plug was inserted all the way or not, you should double-blind test that. Why didn't you?

 
Mr. Scott said:
If you really thought you could hear if a plug was inserted all the way or not, you should double-blind test that. Why didn't you?
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I have already stated that he has no idea what a double-blind test is, and what the word skeptic means. He thinks that because many of us do not trust his non-double-blind tests that we are not true skeptics. He has the idea that because many of us believe in reading text books on the subject of audio equipment and the theories behind electronics that we are not open to new ideas, but that idea of his is base on us not excepting his so-called double-blind tests.

Paul

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Mr. Scott said:
ExtremeSkeptic, I was going to ask what you had against double-blind tests, so I searched this thread to see if you'd spoken on the issue.

I watched the video (link below) in which you claim to have made such a test, and see you really didn't.

Although you may have started out right, once you changed what you were testing for after you found out you were wrong, that made the test worthless.

You started out testing to see if you could tell the difference between different power cords, and when you found out you couldn't, you changed the test you already performed into a test of whether or not you could tell if a cord was plugged in all the way. Testing for something backwards like that is not a double blind test.

If you really thought you could hear if a plug was inserted all the way or not, you should double-blind test that. Why didn't you?
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I did both. I said it sounded like Statement power cord except something was different with it. If I didn't include it into my answer then my answer would have been wrong. Statement not plugged in deep enough was my answer and it was right. I was wrong on the length of the cable because I thought the gap would have been smaller. Short cable with a smaller gap sounds the same as a longer cable with a bigger gap. I was right but skeptics find excuses.

Skeptics are good at ignoring the truth and cherry picking information. I'm not trying to convince any skeptics, because it's over for them. Once they enter the world of delusion it's too late to bring them back to reality, because they think they already live in reality.
I already know I don't live in reality and I try to get out from it, but it's worse for everyone else I have seen, because they don't even know they are stuck.
 
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ExtremeSkeptic said:
I did both. I said it sounded like Statement power cord except something was different with it. If I didn't include it into my answer then my answer would have been wrong. Statement not plugged in deep enough was my answer and it was right. I was wrong on the length of the cable because I thought the gap would have been smaller. Short cable with a smaller gap sounds the same as a longer cable with a bigger gap. I was right but skeptics find excuses.
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If a video of a failed experiment is all you have to offer, then I think that's case closed. If, however, you do come up with a well documented, properly blinded test, then I would be interested to see it.
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
I did both. I said it sounded like Statement power cord except something was different with it. If I didn't include it into my answer then my answer would have been wrong. Statement not plugged in deep enough was my answer and it was right. I was wrong on the length of the cable because I thought the gap would have been smaller. Short cable with a smaller gap sounds the same as a longer cable with a bigger gap. I was right but skeptics find excuses.

Skeptics are good at ignoring the truth and cherry picking information. I'm not trying to convince any skeptics, because it's over for them. Once they enter the world of delusion it's too late to bring them back to reality, because they think they already live in reality.
I already know I don't live in reality and I try to get out from it, but it's worse for everyone else I have seen, because they don't even know they are stuck.
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I'd be perfectly satisfied with an independent double-blind test. Hell, I'd be satisfied if you could explain, using clear technical terms (none of this vague "muddy," "clear," etc. stuff) what difference a longer or shorter power cord could possibly make to the sound of your system.

If you're just looking to make the system sound better to you, then there's no end to the tweaking you could do, as the goal is so subjective. The thing is, I am satisfied with how my music and movies sound, and I'm not going to be spending thousands upon thousands of dollars on power conditioning in some vain attempt to get that "perfect sound" that doesn't even really exist in the first place, because it's all a matter of opinion anyway.
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
I did both. I said it sounded like Statement power cord except something was different with it. If I didn't include it into my answer then my answer would have been wrong. Statement not plugged in deep enough was my answer and it was right. I was wrong on the length of the cable because I thought the gap would have been smaller. Short cable with a smaller gap sounds the same as a longer cable with a bigger gap. I was right but skeptics find excuses.

Skeptics are good at ignoring the truth and cherry picking information. I'm not trying to convince any skeptics, because it's over for them. Once they enter the world of delusion it's too late to bring them back to reality, because they think they already live in reality.
I already know I don't live in reality and I try to get out from it, but it's worse for everyone else I have seen, because they don't even know they are stuck.
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Why didn't you answer my comments but instead change the subject and rant again against skeptics?

Why did you put a failed double blind test for difference in power cords on YouTube?

Why did you not put a successful double blind test of plug insertion depth on YouTube?
 
Mr. Scott said:
Why didn't you answer my comments but instead change the subject and rant again against skeptics?

Why did you put a failed double blind test for difference in power cords on YouTube?

Why did you not put a successful double blind test of plug insertion depth on YouTube?
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Why would I spend my time proving something to the skeptics who ignore it anyway? I made the video to strengthen the believers, for them the test was a success and not a failure like the cherry picking skeptics think.

Just look at this thread and the Noise Harvester thread. The skeptics kept cherry picking everything I said. Even with a successful test they will find something to complain about because they don't want it to be true. If you have written thousands of skeptic posts, you don't want to realize that everything you have written has been a waste of time. It's easier to ignore the truth until it goes away. It's like building a flawed house, instead of starting over and building up another house, the skeptic just ignores his flaw and keeps on going.
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
Why would I spend my time proving something to the skeptics who ignore it anyway? I made the video to strengthen the believers, for them the test was a success and not a failure like the cherry picking skeptics think.

Just look at this thread and the Noise Harvester thread. The skeptics kept cherry picking everything I said. Even with a successful test they will find something to complain about because they don't want it to be true. If you have written thousands of skeptic posts, you don't want to realize that everything you have written has been a waste of time. It's easier to ignore the truth until it goes away. It's like building a flawed house, instead of starting over and building up another house, the skeptic just ignores his flaw and keeps on going.
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Why do you post on the James Randi forum?
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
... If you have written thousands of skeptic posts, you don't want to realize that everything you have written has been a waste of time....It's like building a flawed house, instead of starting over and building up another house, the skeptic just ignores his flaw and keeps on going.
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/* chErry-PiCKin' mode */

I take issue with this! The reason I post here is precisely to waste time!

And I love;s my flaw;s.
 
Mr. Scott said:
Why do you post on the James Randi forum?
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Because other audiophiles are too weak to handle the biggest skeptics. Even the little skeptic trolls entering the audiophiles' home is too much for them.

calebprime said:
/* chErry-PiCKin' mode */

I take issue with this! The reason I post here is precisely to waste time!

And I love;s my flaw;s.
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It all makes sense now.

Paulhoff said:
Any forum that he is on, he does the same BS, his is starved for attention.

Paul

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He is just a child.
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If you were swimming in an ocean full of sharks who want to eat you, would you want attention by saying "My flesh is very tasty for all you sharks, I can't deny the truth, oh well, there goes my leg...and my arm..". That's what I do, I tell the truth and don't care how much it hurts me because it just makes me stronger. I'm on a one man mission while the skeptics are weak minded followers of a cult who can't think on their own. If someone needs books to tell them what to do, then there's a problem.
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
Because other audiophiles are too weak to handle the biggest skeptics. Even the little skeptic trolls entering the audiophiles' home is too much for them.


It all makes sense now.


If you were swimming in an ocean full of sharks who want to eat you, would you want attention by saying "My flesh is very tasty for all you sharks, I can't deny the truth, oh well, there goes my leg...and my arm..". That's what I do, I tell the truth and don't care how much it hurts me because it just makes me stronger. I'm on a one man mission while the skeptics are weak minded followers of a cult who can't think on their own. If someone needs books to tell them what to do, then there's a problem.
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You are just so full of yourself

Paul

:) :)
 
Paulhoff, it's an issue with some of the tweako cables, and i can search JAES and provide a cite. a lot of engineers believe tube and SS amplifiers are intentionally designed to have a difference from cheaper ones. the audiophiles jump on *any* change as proof that they are right.

if cables were a big deal, then people would run fiber to a DAC/amp close to the speaker!

If someone needs books to tell them what to do, then there's a problem.
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the fundamental issue is that the coca cola you drank, or the girl you just slept with, affect the final sound more than cables. you are forgetting that humans are not more accurate than test gear, in many cases.
 
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illogical said:
if cables were a big deal, then people would run fiber to a DAC/amp close to the speaker!
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If it wasn't a big deal, then some wouldn't pay thousands for snake-oil speader cables, and don't think that they don't snake-oil fiber too.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
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