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Is It Possible There Is An Afterlife?

Oppressed said:
Thoth108,

Does a cat have a soul? Does a Dolphin have a soul? Does a Chimpanzee or Bonobo have a soul?
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Everything has a soul, even nonlife. The soul is defined around the "animating force". Its immortal, everywhere and nowhere, all around and yet unseen. That's energy. Descibed before anyone truely knew it was there. Religion worked because it described the essense of what people felt, even with the wild stories.


Do live Humans spontaneously die for no apparent reason because their soul decided to leave? Why do souls prefer to come right at the moment a sperm fertilizes an egg and begins a new life form growing?
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The soul/spirit is created then, giving individual "expression" to the overall process. Humans having the burden of feeling/knowing that they are connected, and trying to express it.



Do dead Human bodies suddenly come back to life because the soul decided to come back?
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The individual consciousness continues, as long as the lifeforce flows.
Why do souls prefer to leave when the body dies for explainable reasons?
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The body would be in a state of energy decline. Ther may be an energy drain.
If an immortal soul does exist, I’d say it was logical that there must be rules about when it can come and when it can go.


If we assume an immortal soul does exist, I think a logical conclusion is that the immortal soul will want to, be driven to, experience many of what we think of as mortal lives.
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It would want to, but it can't, so it would have to adapt to the new situation. I think dreams will help out of body spirits function, whether they were designed to or not.
 
thoth108 said:
And your cop-out is that you won't try anything long enough to achieve results contradictory to your current understanding of the world. You are AFRAID that if you really did experience soul-travel you would'nt be thought of as "smart" anymore, since so many woo-woo's already knew something that you didn't. Someone should stress to you this,
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Yeah, I'm stupid and a coward.

thoth108 said:
It's alright that you don't have it all figured out. We don't expect perfection, we just expect you to TRY.
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I tried. I gave up. The problem here is that I am asking for objective verification of a claim, and you're saying to test it subjectively. Subjective experiences are not evidence, they're anecdote.

thoth108 said:
Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean that there aren't others who can. I'll debate on the reality of soul-travel anytime you'd like, and although my input will be from personal experience, you should be able to derive as I have that it is real. Perhaps if you hadn't fallen asleep. Did you fall asleep in your college classes too ? Do you think that sleeping in class would get you a diploma ?:)
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I never went to college. I'm stupid and a coward, remember?

thoth108 said:
Let's talk about your meditative state in Tai-chi.... I'll elaborate from your experience why you didn't see results. It's all about YOU. Like master Yoda says, "there is no try, there is only DO."

Or in your case, "do not.":D
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Yes, exactly. It's all about me. Or in this case, you. Something that is real to me is not necessarily real to you. And therein lies the problem: subjective experiences cannot be verified. If you have a way of doing so, let me know so that I can steal your idea and get the Nobel prize for myself. Then we'll see who's stupid.
 
lightcreatedlife@hom,

Is this immortal soul you speak of a specific for an individual immortal soul that is the true core essence of that individual?

Or is this immortal soul you speak of a general animating energy that permeates all existence?

If an immortal soul is created at the moment a sperm fertilizes an egg and a new life begins forming, how does this same process work for a rock? Also, if this immortal soul becomes uniquely born so easily and so frequently, don’t you think that would create a problem of over population of immortal souls?

If you are equating life-force with immortal soul, life-force is something that in an individual diminishes and extinguishes, thus individual life-force is not immortal. If you define the individual soul as the animating energy of an individual, the life-force of an individual, then when the individual died because their life-force ceased and their animating energy stopped, then their individual soul would stop as well.

If an immortal souls does exist, how do you know for sure it could not enter a new living being and experience another mortal life?
 
lightcreatedlife@hom said:
Everything has a soul, even nonlife. The soul is defined around the "animating force". Its immortal, everywhere and nowhere, all around and yet unseen. That's energy. Descibed before anyone truely knew it was there. Religion worked because it described the essense of what people felt, even with the wild stories.
Prove, say it without proof is only magical thinking.

The soul/spirit is created then, giving individual "expression" to the overall process. Humans having the burden of feeling/knowing that they are connected, and trying to express it.
Prove again, more magical thinking.


The individual consciousness continues, as long as the lifeforce flows.
The body would be in a state of energy decline. Ther may be an energy drain.
If an immortal soul does exist, I’d say it was logical that there must be rules about when it can come and when it can go.
Saying anything you what without prove, is story telling and/or magical thinking.

It would want to, but it can't, so it would have to adapt to the new situation. I think dreams will help out of body spirits function, whether they were designed to or not.
You havn't shown the need for a soul, this only shows that you have lack of understanding of how things work, and so you put the universe in terms you understand, not how they are.
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Paul

:) :) :)
 
Oppressed said:
lightcreatedlife@hom,

Is this immortal soul you speak of a specific for an individual immortal soul that is the true core essence of that individual?
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The individual experience is based on the immortal one. The individual one may not be immortal-science may have to help it.


Or is this immortal soul you speak of a general animating energy that permeates all existence?
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Yes.

If an immortal soul is created at the moment a sperm fertilizes an egg and a new life begins forming, how does this same process work for a rock?
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There is a line between inorganic and organic, electromagnetic properties and a mental/emotional nature.

Also, if this immortal soul becomes uniquely born so easily and so frequently, don’t you think that would create a problem of over population of immortal souls?
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First off, I don't think a spirit would be that big. Second, they may travel, and third, this is a big place.

If you are equating life-force with immortal soul, life-force is something that in an individual diminishes and extinguishes, thus individual life-force is not immortal.
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Like any lifeform, it would need a "light source" to live.

If you define the individual soul as the animating energy of an individual, the life-force of an individual, then when the individual died because their life-force ceased and their animating energy stopped, then their individual soul would stop as well.
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Yeah.

If an immortal souls does exist, how do you know for sure it could not enter a new living being and experience another mortal life?
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I don't. But if one returned with knowledge of what is "beyond" (and was believed) they could throw the balance off.
 
lightcreatedlife@hom said:
First off, I don't think a spirit would be that big. Second, they may travel, and third, this is a big place.
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How big do you reckon a spirit would be? Bigger than a tin of beans? Bigger that a rabbit, but smaller than a wardrobe (standard double-fronted, not walk-in)? How big would they need to be before the universe became crowded?

OK, I'm being facetious, but I'd really like to know come you know so much about souls? I can understand why someone might be disposed to put their faith in the concept of a soul as the means by which everlasting life is achieved, but that's very different to pretending to know all about them. And if you're simply repeating what others say, how do they know? And how do you know they know, without proof?

If it's just your view then OK, that's fine, I'm just curious.

(And my first paragraph wasn't entirely jocular. In 1907, Dr Duncan MacDougall announced that he had had isolated the soul and measured its weight to be 3/4 of an ounce. He didn't equate its weight to any everyday object, but if he had I'd expect it would have been a field mouse, or a box of matches)
 
Oppressed said:
Lolurigeller,

If the Hindu’s are correct then there must be some core essence to our beings which does not die and exists somewhere in some form while it transits from the end of one mortal life to the beginning of a new mortal life while on the developmental journey to the transcendent state of being. This would support the idea of an immortal soul or immortal spirit. Of course, it has nothing to do with believing in Jesus Christ.
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What the about the whole not believing in Jesus and going to hell bit? Even if hindu's believe in an after life they are all going to hell including the atheists on this board too?


See what i'm saying, there are irreconcilable differences even in afterlife belief, and if you put Edge here with a Swami, Catholic priest, Buddhist master he's going to butt heads and run into disagreements.
 
Lolurigeller,

Christians do not hold a patent on the concept of an afterlife. As it is, Christianity is a child religion of Judaism. Islam is also a child religion of Judaism and Christianity. Each has made changes to and or added to the parent religion.

There are numerous other religions that have no root in Judaism which also believe in an afterlife. Since no religion can prove an afterlife truly exists, there are many different beliefs as to what an afterlife is. Some of these religious groups hold to their particular concept of the afterlife and who and what God is that they strongly condemn any one who does not hold the same belief. This even happens with branches of the same parent religion, Judaism.

I particularly dislike any religion that states you must believe their truth and worship their God or you will burn in Hell.

If a good God existed, it would not be so vane and self centered as to demand you worship it or be damned. Such a demand of worship would be the act of an evil God, not a good one. That is a small part of the logical inconsistencies I find with Judaism and it’s variant religions. I think pretty much all religions have serious problems with logical inconsistencies.

Thinking about such things is one of the reasons I started trying to come up with un-provable but improbable possibilities which could have less or even no logical inconsistencies which would make them more likely to be true than the typical religion someone is trying to force me to believe in.
 
lolurigeller said:
See what i'm saying, there are irreconcilable differences even in afterlife belief, and if you put Edge here with a Swami, Catholic priest, Buddhist master he's going to butt heads and run into disagreements.
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Magical thinking has no bounds, it can be anything because there is no way to set a limited and it therefore because truely meaningless.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
Oppressed said:
If a good God existed, it would not be so vane and self centered as to demand you worship it or be damned. Such a demand of worship would be the act of an evil God, not a good one. That is a small part of the logical inconsistencies I find with Judaism and it’s variant religions. I think pretty much all religions have serious problems with logical inconsistencies.
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The problems with so-called god, is it good, is it bad, is it males is it female, is it none of the above. On and on it goes, and in the end not having a so-called god is so much easier and makes sense too.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
Despite eons of belief, hope, and Sylvia Browne type shenanigans--there doesn't seem to be an iota of evidence that any kind of consciousness can exist absent a brain--increasing evidence shows that a brain is necessary for the generation of consciousness. Until there is a smidgen of measurable evidence that illustrates consciousness absent a brain, I shall conclude that life after my death will be identical to life before my conception as far as I am concerned. As far as the world is concerned, the world will be different from my having been in it, but I cannot know how.
 
baron said:
How big do you reckon a spirit would be? Bigger than a tin of beans? Bigger that a rabbit, but smaller than a wardrobe (standard double-fronted, not walk-in)?
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Since the brain is where the mind is located, I figure that a spirit needs to be at least that big.

How big would they need to be before the universe became crowded?
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Can you crowd energy like you do with matter?

OK, I'm being facetious, but I'd really like to know come you know so much about souls?
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Just pondering.

I can understand why someone might be disposed to put their faith in the concept of a soul as the means by which everlasting life is achieved, but that's very different to pretending to know all about them.
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I hope that the spirit survives, but I can't see how it would. I know that if it doesn't now, science will find a way to make it possible. Perhaps that is what some of us feel, the compulsion to "see" it happen.

And if you're simply repeating what others say, how do they know? And how do you know they know, without proof?
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The ponderings are orginal (with the normal help) and are just filling a void. I know that plenty of things go on without proof, I'm hoping an afterlife is one of them.
 
articulett said:
Despite eons of belief, hope, and Sylvia Browne type shenanigans--there doesn't seem to be an iota of evidence that any kind of consciousness can exist absent a brain--increasing evidence shows that a brain is necessary for the generation of consciousness. Until there is a smidgen of measurable evidence that illustrates consciousness absent a brain, I shall conclude that life after my death will be identical to life before my conception as far as I am concerned. As far as the world is concerned, the world will be different from my having been in it, but I cannot know how.
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Because of the brain, I think that a "science created" afterlife would begin with the head. I bet someone is already trying to see if they can get one to operate without a body.
 
lightcreatedlife@hom said:
Okay, because we have a mind, and "seem" to share common mind with life (and it conditions) that is what has become known as the soul. The how and why behind how things are.
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You just love to throw words together don't you. You make no sense at all. Common mind with life, oh please, stop you magical thinking, and you still haven't shown a need for a soul.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
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