Anyone heard about this dude? (pavelprorok on youtube)

[GzuzKryzt]

I see. No problem for me, as I dislike her myself.


Here you go:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89448
(Small note: I had the idea about this thread before you asked me )
Worth a look too:
Adriana Lima


Back to topic: Well, I'm not sure whether it's a good idea to ask him persistently about joining us. He already said he signed up and wants to answer our questions. However, as I said earlier, he is not at home. He is in another country! We don't want to get on peoples nerves, do we?

Of course not.

But neither will I let this go unchallenged:

"hi everybody, what i would like to say is..that i am going to participate in JREF challenge and proof everybody that there is something paranormal and it is exist.. as i think that its also important for people to know that there is such things and they real..cause it will automatically will be one More link to the Proof that soul exist and that there is no death etc... I cant fly but what i can Do its dream and predict about things and usually its come true![...]" (From the link in the OP)

Talk the talk? Walk the walk.

 

[pavel_do]

Hello Hello

Good morning everybode, finale my regestration confermed.. i tryed 2 times and it was regected cause i tiped place of live UNITED KINGDOM and my Ip was Ukranian so it was refused.. till i tiped Ukraine and it mached to the Ip.. so now i can post replys here... This is Pavel the one you talking about at the moment i am in Moscow, for 1 day, tomorrow ill fly to Malta, and ill have chance to reply your questions and to talk to you about everything as ill have an enternet conection at home where ill stay.. have a nice time everybody. talk to you soon

 

[OXEL]

Welcome pavel_do.

Great having you here. I'm looking forward to talking about your testing conditions and the like.

And have a good journey.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Good morning everybode, finale my regestration confermed.. i tryed 2 times and it was regected cause i tiped place of live UNITED KINGDOM and my Ip was Ukranian so it was refused.. till i tiped Ukraine and it mached to the Ip.. so now i can post replys here... This is Pavel the one you talking about at the moment i am in Moscow, for 1 day, tomorrow ill fly to Malta, and ill have chance to reply your questions and to talk to you about everything as ill have an enternet conection at home where ill stay.. have a nice time everybody. talk to you soon

Welcome to the JREF Forum, Pavel.

If you haven't already done it, I recommend a thorough reading of this and this. Should you have any problem with any rule, the probability of your application getting accepted decreases rapidly.

Please describe your claim briefly.
One claim will suffice, e.g. a prediction of a future event.
How you would like to prove it?
What kind of tests have you performed to ensure that you're not mistaken and that your ability is genuine?



Of course, only JREF Representatives - e.g. posters named RemieV or Jeff Wagg - can answer officially for the JREF. Should have inquiries about the JREF Challenge that require an official answer, contact challenge@randi.org

(Please note that typing in bold is considered yelling at others. Try using paragraphs for your posts. If you have trouble with correct spelling, consider using a spell checker. Undoubtably though, your english is way better than my ukrainian.)

 

[petre]

Hello pavel_do. GzuzKryzt has talked about the major points already, so I'll just wish you good luck in your efforts ahead.

 

[Klaymore]

Pavel, welcome. Just showing up here proves you have balls.

Oxel, you seem like a genuinely nice person.

Gzuz, I share your trepidation.

 

[Klaymore]

Ok, so when I checked in yesterday we were all congratulating Pavel for bothering to show up, and hoping that he would give us a cogent and concise description of his claimed power and how said power might be demonstrated.

Ok Pavel... GO!

 

[pavel_do]

hello again..


hello again,
thank you for your comments... so, i will try to do video to demonstrate "tests" just have to figure out the best way to do it and arrange camera. i am in Malta at the moment for a few weeks, so ill have time to practice more and discuss with you everything. Guys even though half people here wish me best and some of us not really.. but all of you including me want it to be done and proved!!! ill be back later today and will write about my claim and some other thing.. due to the time differents i guess when ill be online some of you will be as well so if you have any question ill be happy to answer and discuss things.. beside i have some questions to all of you my self
have a nice weekend everybody speak to you soon...

 

[GzuzKryzt]

hello again,
thank you for your comments... so, i will try to do video to demonstrate "tests" just have to figure out the best way to do it and arrange camera. i am in Malta at the moment for a few weeks, so ill have time to practice more and discuss with you everything. Guys even though half people here wish me best and some of us not really.. but all of you including me want it to be done and proved!!! ill be back later today and will write about my claim and some other thing.. due to the time differents i guess when ill be online some of you will be as well so if you have any question ill be happy to answer and discuss things.. beside i have some questions to all of you my self
have a nice weekend everybody speak to you soon...

First of all, pavel_do, it's necessary for you to make one specific claim, e.g.: I can predict the future.

Then you tell us how you would like to demonstrate the claimed ability. A video demonstation will very likely not convince anyone over here. If you claim to predict the future, we'll have a simple and efficient test set up for in very short time.

After you have told us what you will do to prove your ability, you have to tell us what means a success of your demonstration and what means a failure. E.g: Should you claim to predict four lotto numbers out of six, four five and six correct will obviously mean a success. Three, two, one and zero correct numbers will indicate you have failed to prove your ability. The test must not - repeat: must not - involve any judging. The results have to be self-evident.

Again, what is your specific claim and what kind of tests have you done to verify that you indeed have a paranormal claim?

 

[OXEL]

Oxel, you seem like a genuinely nice person.

Thanks.

hello again,
thank you for your comments... so, i will try to do video to demonstrate "tests" just have to figure out the best way to do it and arrange camera. i am in Malta at the moment for a few weeks, so ill have time to practice more and discuss with you everything. Guys even though half people here wish me best and some of us not really.. but all of you including me want it to be done and proved!!! ill be back later today and will write about my claim and some other thing.. due to the time differents i guess when ill be online some of you will be as well so if you have any question ill be happy to answer and discuss things.. beside i have some questions to all of you my self
have a nice weekend everybody speak to you soon...

Hello. We will try to answer your questions as well. I'm looking forward to seeing your video.
I wish you success.

 

[pavel_do]

Sooooooo........

So.. first of all i`d like to explane one thing that some people might be confused about... so as i said i have 2 things that i am offering to perform..one of them ts a Zener cards.. as you sew them i have them a bit different ..they have different colors in addition to different signs. As a colored cards help me to be more accurate as i am trying to "see" the color as well not only what symbol on card..as i am sometimes confused with what symbol ..like when i see lines crossing each other it can be a star and the cross same time.. so when i see color as well it confirming what is there... i think that is not braking any rules.. that helps me to be more correct.. Another thing is i Have 80 PHOTOS ( not cards) its 80 different symbols like picture of horse..key..cross..etc.. they all unique .. so i have 80 of them.. and i am proposing to "guess" minimum 3 out of ten that will be puled out of 80.. thats all I don`t know still what is better and easier for me to perform.. for now its zenner.. but i`d like to be as Obvious as it possible.. as self-evident as i can be.. So I have a question.. what would be self -evident result with zenner cards..?? I been thinking this days.. i think if JREF has its own "requirements" for Zenner cards..so ill stick to it,,, without inventing anything "new" just a cards are has colors in addition to the symbols.. does any one know and can help me..with..WHAT would be self evident prove? how many times i have to perform it.. let say its an 1 hour test session.. is 3 times would be enough?? so ill know what is minimum has to be performed.. as i said before.. my best results for now it 18 out of 25..how many "runs" well difficult to say.. allot obviously.. usually its 11-12-13.. depend of day and my mood to do that.. so lets stop for now with Zener cards.. i have deck of 25 cards. with colors in addition to symbols.. how many times and how much minimum cards have to be correct in 1 run..? when it will be clear i think that will make a base of my new claim and application... i hope guys you will help me with that as we say in Russia " you not a worrier in field alone" meaning when there is team its an army What alts.. there was a question about what make me think that i have a powers.. well i have hundreds of example form my life..dreams..my readings.. but i clearly understand that i cant claim for example that i can see a person and answer any of it question..as sometimes i don't see thing..and i am honest it it to a people that comes to see me i never invent things if i don't see i say that i don`t see... so i am not overestimating my powers..and that why i am claiming for JREF the cards tests.. cause it easier in a way.. no need to complicate anything isn't it.. so.. about test it self as well.. beside that i have my a bit different cards there is one more thing my person will be holding cards that i am going to "guess" who ever like it can pull it.. randomly or what ever.and than pass it to my friend.. than he will be holding it and ill be "seeing" what card does he hold.. some one will say why some one that should be etc... ill tell you why.. to be honest first of all ill feel my self more comfortable and confidant in this way as it will be support for me form the person i trust.. another thing I am a clairvoyant..but still dot know if i am a telepath in a way and that is the way i "pick up" colors... so i would prefer a person i know and trust, to hold card and see it, to think about what he see and to transmit me a "picture".. obviously i can be sure that the person who i know by looking at red card with circle will be think circle and imagining red card..NOT trying to confuse me or "double-chack".. so that it i guess any comments and questions? you welcome!

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Pavel_do, while I appreciate your post explaining what you intend to do, your animations and the blue color annoys me quite a bit. I'm not trying to beat you into conformity, but please consider using less animations, standard font and please, please try to use paragraphs. It makes reading and understanding a lot easier.



Self-evident means that if you claim 3 out of 10 from a set of 80 cards, 2 and less correct mean a failure and 3 or more correct mean success. Self-evident means there must be no interpretation.

However, I do not think 3 out of 10 correct will suffice to pass the preliminary test. My math skills are not good enough, so I hope one of the stat wizards will join us.

 

[OXEL]

However, I do not think 3 out of 10 correct will suffice to pass the preliminary test. My math skills are not good enough, so I hope one of the stat wizards will join us.

As far as I remember, someone mentioned in a comment at one of his videos that this would be sufficient. We should calculate that anyway of course.


@Pavel:
There are no precise requirements. You can set everything up the way you want. You only have to take into account that you need at least the odds of 1:1000 to pass by chance so not too much of luck is involved and of course you need to make sure that you can't cheat. Otherwise, it's up to you what cards to use etc. I suggest just doing it the way you are most used to and have the best results during training. So decide which kind of cards you would like to use and we will calculate for you how many hits you need to pass.

But beware. If you use another person to tell you about the cards via telepathy, then you need to be in another room. You need to be separated, because the person could give you some hints with gestures and the like.

Like GzuzKryzt said, it has to be self-evident that you are right or wrong. You know the cards and the symbols. So you need to tell 100% correct what that card is to get a hit. You need to be concrete and tell something like "circle" and not something like "it has a round shape" so it could be a circle or a moon. That's all.

 

[pavel_do]

ok..

Pavel_do, while I appreciate your post explaining what you intend to do, your animations and the blue color annoys me quite a bit. I'm not trying to beat you into conformity, but please consider using less animations, standard font and please, please try to use paragraphs. It makes reading and understanding a lot easier.



Self-evident means that if you claim 3 out of 10 from a set of 80 cards, 2 and less correct mean a failure and 3 or more correct mean success. Self-evident means there must be no interpretation.

However, I do not think 3 out of 10 correct will suffice to pass the preliminary test. My math skills are not good enough, so I hope one of the stat wizards will join us.

well with animation.. fine.. but with color.. what color do not annoys you..?? to be honest i think all the same black color that is make it all see a bit same.. like you want me to you paragraphs..

regarding self evidence i understand what its mean. What i would like to know.. what would be SELF EVIDENT FOR JREF exactly in zener card test with a deck of 25 cards.... like if for JREF self evident would be minimum 12 out of 25..so ill know. and will stick to it.. that my minimum is 12.. ans up to as much as i will be able..

p.s. sorry about the color..i hope green not as annoying as blue..

 

[GzuzKryzt]

well with animation.. fine.. but with color.. what color do not annoys you..?? to be honest i think all the same black color that is make it all see a bit same.. like you want me to you paragraphs..

regarding self evidence i understand what its mean. What i would like to know.. what would be SELF EVIDENT FOR JREF exactly in zener card test with a deck of 25 cards.... like if for JREF self evident would be minimum 12 out of 25..so ill know. and will stick to it.. that my minimum is 12.. ans up to as much as i will be able..

p.s. sorry about the color..i hope green not as annoying as blue..

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Of course, only JREF Representatives - e.g. posters named RemieV or Jeff Wagg - can answer officially for the JREF. Should have inquiries about the JREF Challenge that require an official answer, contact challenge@randi.org
...

 

[pavel_do]

As far as I remember, someone mentioned in a comment at one of his videos that this would be sufficient. We should calculate that anyway of course.


@Pavel:
There are no precise requirements. You can set everything up the way you want. You only have to take into account that you need at least the odds of 1:1000 to pass by chance so not too much of luck is involved and of course you need to make sure that you can't cheat. Otherwise, it's up to you what cards to use etc. I suggest just doing it the way you are most used to and have the best results during training. So decide which kind of cards you would like to use and we will calculate for you how many hits you need to pass.

But beware. If you use another person to tell you about the cards via telepathy, then you need to be in another room. You need to be separated, because the person could give you some hints with gestures and the like.

Like GzuzKryzt said, it has to be self-evident that you are right or wrong. You know the cards and the symbols. So you need to tell 100% correct what that card is to get a hit. You need to be concrete and tell something like "circle" and not something like "it has a round shape" so it could be a circle or a moon. That's all.

Thank you very much.. well.. lets calculate than what is the odds with my deck cards its 25 cards that has 5 different symbol and has 5 colors..
I do understand that i have to say circle not just a round thinge and i will do it.. that why i am using colors as well for the cards to make it easier cause as i said.. some times "pictures" not really sharp..so the color helps me...
another thing about about the person..who has to be in another room.. well as i said.. i am using Mask and ear plugs to make sure that no one say that i am following some signs or jesters.. so i think that make differents.. no?? can it be allowed..? another thing is..lets call it telepathy.. there is no any evidence that for example telepathy can be performed from different rooms.. who ever claim can do it from diffrent countries..fair enough good luck to them to perform it.. i am not claiming that.. so we should make it easier to perform it form different rooms for me would be complicated.. why cant i make it easier..? if it is not excepted i will try to try from different rooms.. or forget about person and will try to train by just holding the envelope in the hands.. but as far as i concerned JREF ready to help to make it as simple as possible..

 

[Normal Dude]

Thank you very much.. well.. lets calculate than what is the odds with my deck cards its 25 cards that has 5 different symbol and has 5 colors..
I do understand that i have to say circle not just a round thinge and i will do it.. that why i am using colors as well for the cards to make it easier cause as i said.. some times "pictures" not really sharp..so the color helps me...

Would the same symbols always have the same colors assigned to them?

 

[pavel_do]

yes..

yes 5 different symboles with a color on each card assigned to it

 

[pavel_do]

question...

You must beat one in one thousand odds in order to pass the preliminary challenge, to ensure that success is not a fluke.

I have a question.. is that would be good enough claim to..
Perform test with Zener cards, 25 in deck 5 different symbols every simbole assigned to a color on the card.. so its 25 Zener cards with 5 different symbols and colors. lets say.. I am wearing the mask that cover my eyes and ear plugs to eliminate sounds..and destruction. The person (any one) shuffle the cards and give them 1 by one to a friend of mine who looking at the card and try to "transmit" it to me.. so i am naming the card that is his hand. one by one.. we siting on 1 table opposite each other.. there will be no any physical contact like holding hands or something.. as i said..ill be with covered eyes and using ear plugs.. How much would it be self evident and how many times would be enough to perform it??

p.s.
in my posts i explained why i need a friend of my for the test..

 

[GzuzKryzt]

I have a question.. is that would be good enough claim to..
Perform test with Zener cards, 25 in deck 5 different symbols every simbole assigned to a color on the card.. so its 25 Zener cards with 5 different symbols and colors. lets say.. I am wearing the mask that cover my eyes and ear plugs to eliminate sounds..and destruction. The person (any one) shuffle the cards and give them 1 by one to a friend of mine who looking at the card and try to "transmit" it to me.. so i am naming the card that is his hand. one by one.. we siting on 1 table opposite each other.. there will be no any physical contact like holding hands or something.. as i said..ill be with covered eyes and using ear plugs.. How much would it be self evident and how many times would be enough to perform it??

p.s.
in my posts i explained why i need a friend of my for the test..

Pavel_do, the forum members like myself will try to help you to the best of our abilities. We obviously can't officially speak for the JREF.

Should you have a specific inquiry to RemieV in her duty as a JREF Official, I suggest you contact her directly: challenge@randi.org

It will simplify matters and help speed up the process.