Paulhoff
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Is It Possible There Is An Afterlife?
Yes he did but on this side of heaven. I already explained why.
My life is not over yet, I can only guess.
Think of it this way, you are looking to continue on in this world forever, what would you do if you could?
Live an immortal existence in this universe.
First off you would still be prone to accidents.
Then what?
Say you are an indestructible cyborg with immortality, but your space ship you are traveling on gets pulled into a star because of some unknown failure.
Could you be indestructible enough to survive that, even with future technology?
I think not, your brain would defiantly fry whether the rest of your body didn’t.
What would you have then?
Even then you had better have faith.
Think about it paul!
Thoth108,
Does a cat have a soul? Does a Dolphin have a soul? Does a Chimpanzee or Bonobo have a soul?
Do live Humans spontaneously die for no apparent reason because their soul decided to leave? Why do souls prefer to come right at the moment a sperm fertilizes an egg and begins a new life form growing?
Do dead Human bodies suddenly come back to life because the soul decided to come back? Why do souls prefer to leave when the body dies for explainable reasons?
If an immortal soul does exist, I’d say it was logical that there must be rules about when it can come and when it can go.
That is an answer I was looking for.
If we assume an immortal soul does exist, I think a logical conclusion is that the immortal soul will want to, be driven to, experience many of what we think of as mortal lives.
Does a cat have a soul? Does a Dolphin have a soul? Does a Chimpanzee or Bonobo have a soul?
Do live Humans spontaneously die for no apparent reason because their soul decided to leave? Why do souls prefer to come right at the moment a sperm fertilizes an egg and begins a new life form growing?
Do dead Human bodies suddenly come back to life because the soul decided to come back? Why do souls prefer to leave when the body dies for explainable reasons?
If an immortal soul does exist, I’d say it was logical that there must be rules about when it can come and when it can go.
Living 19,999,999,900+ other lives to see what life is like in someone else's shoes. The universe knows itself through our experiences.
That is an answer I was looking for.
If we assume an immortal soul does exist, I think a logical conclusion is that the immortal soul will want to, be driven to, experience many of what we think of as mortal lives.
Paulhoff
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Magical words, magaical thinking, no proof, just magic.
Proof edge, not what you want things to be, proof. Any child can think like that.
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arthwollipot
Observer of Phenomena, Pronouns: he/him
I asked:
Edge replied with scripture.
I already said, I set the words of scripture at nothing. Have you anything else for me?
Edge replied with scripture.
I already said, I set the words of scripture at nothing. Have you anything else for me?
RandFan
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This doesn't make any sense. It's a non-sequitur. It doesn't follow.
My point is that reason and logic are enough to figure out that there is no soul.
Edge, you wait around long enough and you will find out that you will burn in hell for an eternity. I'm sorry but you worship the wrong god. Bummer dude. You won't find out until you die.
Then try something else like transcendental mediation.
Soul travel, you can actually see through participation.
Don’t stop is the key, till you succeed.
It does work.
Then when you do succeed tell us what you think then.
It only should take you three days or so to make up your mind.
Spend the night out in the woods and do it under the stars.
Get a book of instructions.
This doesn't make any sense. It's a non-sequitur. It doesn't follow.
My point is that reason and logic are enough to figure out that there is no soul.
Edge, you wait around long enough and you will find out that you will burn in hell for an eternity. I'm sorry but you worship the wrong god. Bummer dude. You won't find out until you die.
Anything can happen, I'm not dead yet and I might meet you there.
You will know for sure then in both cases and we'll both have a good cry.
I would rather we both had a good laugh though.
I have a soul and it's Gods choice whether it stays immortal after I die, read above if you want proof.
It's not beyond us to get proof.
If you get that proof start figuring out what the right path and religion is.
There is other proof that has been given to me to know this is true other experiences that tie it all together.
Because I have a foundation.
RandFan
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Anything can happen, I'm not dead yet and I might meet you there.
You will know for sure then in both cases and we'll both have a good cry.
I would rather we both had a good laugh though.
Cool.arthwollipot
Observer of Phenomena, Pronouns: he/him
I tried that. I fell asleep. I certainly didn't experience anything like "soul travel". I've achieved what I believe to be the closest I have come to a meditative state once when I was studying t'ai chi, but I still didn't experience anything like what you describe.
Anything else?
ETA: Actually, I think I'll unask that and stop pestering you. Anytime you give someone advice which includes "keep doing it until you succeed", you have copped out completely. If I try it and report nothing, you can just say "you're not trying hard enough" or "you're not there yet, keep on trying" and thus stay safe from any attempt at contradiction.
So no, sorry, I don't want any more of your advice unless you can tell me something concrete and testable.
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Edge,
If your soul can stop existing at the end of your life because God decides so, then your soul is not immortal.
Now, if you have an immortal soul and after you die God decides that your immortal soul will go to Heaven, Purgatory, Hell, back to Earth or somewhere else then you can still argue that the soul is immortal. But for a soul to be immortal it can not simply extinguish at the end of your life for any reason.
Now, you still did not answer my question.
Do you know these things because God directly spoke to you?
If your soul can stop existing at the end of your life because God decides so, then your soul is not immortal.
Now, if you have an immortal soul and after you die God decides that your immortal soul will go to Heaven, Purgatory, Hell, back to Earth or somewhere else then you can still argue that the soul is immortal. But for a soul to be immortal it can not simply extinguish at the end of your life for any reason.
Now, you still did not answer my question.
Do you know these things because God directly spoke to you?
Giving up before you're through.....
And your cop-out is that you won't try anything long enough to achieve results contradictory to your current understanding of the world. You are AFRAID that if you really did experience soul-travel you would'nt be thought of as "smart" anymore, since so many woo-woo's already knew something that you didn't. Someone should stress to you this,
It's alright that you don't have it all figured out. We don't expect perfection, we just expect you to TRY.
Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean that there aren't others who can. I'll debate on the reality of soul-travel anytime you'd like, and although my input will be from personal experience, you should be able to derive as I have that it is real. Perhaps if you hadn't fallen asleep. Did you fall asleep in your college classes too ? Do you think that sleeping in class would get you a diploma ?
Let's talk about your meditative state in Tai-chi.... I'll elaborate from your experience why you didn't see results. It's all about YOU. Like master Yoda says, "there is no try, there is only DO."
Or in your case, "do not."
And your cop-out is that you won't try anything long enough to achieve results contradictory to your current understanding of the world. You are AFRAID that if you really did experience soul-travel you would'nt be thought of as "smart" anymore, since so many woo-woo's already knew something that you didn't. Someone should stress to you this,
It's alright that you don't have it all figured out. We don't expect perfection, we just expect you to TRY.
Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean that there aren't others who can. I'll debate on the reality of soul-travel anytime you'd like, and although my input will be from personal experience, you should be able to derive as I have that it is real. Perhaps if you hadn't fallen asleep. Did you fall asleep in your college classes too ? Do you think that sleeping in class would get you a diploma ?
Let's talk about your meditative state in Tai-chi.... I'll elaborate from your experience why you didn't see results. It's all about YOU. Like master Yoda says, "there is no try, there is only DO."
Or in your case, "do not."
Ready to except REALITY.
Yes I would change my mind. If you could be shown that the experience is not, and can not, be explained as a mental phenonmenon, then would you accept it ?
I know nothing of Susan.
Do you have a link for Susan Blackmore ?? I'm curious. It's easy to blow off experiences of soul-travel as "dreams" because of the nature of the experience.
Yes I would change my mind. If you could be shown that the experience is not, and can not, be explained as a mental phenonmenon, then would you accept it ?
I know nothing of Susan.
Do you have a link for Susan Blackmore ?? I'm curious. It's easy to blow off experiences of soul-travel as "dreams" because of the nature of the experience.lightcreatedlife@hom
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So the universe has a patterned process, the question is whether or not it was planned, or an accident.