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Is It Possible There Is An Afterlife?

Edge,

Yes, I would pretty much agree with that, though not necessarily by requirement as much as because of the advantages it would give. At least that is what I believe.

It would require a combination of engineering masteries, such as genetic engineering, molecular engineering, viral engineering and well, all those disciplines related to how our living body works, including how the brain works. I believe it is predictable we will master this knowledge.

In the end, we won’t be physically human anymore, but we would not necessarily be like the Borg either, unless it was a desired look of choice.

To achieve what I am talking about would require the technology to engineer a living body, on the fly, down to the molecular level according to desired specifications. This would involve mastering the design of what we might call nano-machines, but more than that, it would mean being able to incorporate such technology in ourselves.

Once this technology is fully achieved, physical form would greatly depend upon personal choice, with some limitations of course.

This would have all kinds of implications, every one of which might drastically change our society. Because of this, I can predict what the technology will be like, but the society could take all kinds of turns, so I can not predict what the society would be like.

Still, one can make some logical guesses.

Well we would have a chance at immortality if we kept just the brain alive, set in a machine that has all the attributes of a human.
It would be easier to keep one organ going verses more.
The brain is the only one needed but would we be human.

But then I would become bored too.
And imagine paying taxes for eternity.
I would surly miss real boobies and such, (limitations).


The movie A.I. has some interesting concepts in it about a robot that finally has a dream and feels love. After being programmed to show unconditional love.
At the same time being rejected for that unconditional love and sent away.
He started searching endlessly, to receive unconditional love to get that in return.
He makes it beyond the extinction of man.

Bicentennial Man is another good one where a robot becomes self-aware and decides to rebuild him self and do the opposite of what we are talking about to experience what humans do.
Then in the end decides to die, to experience that with his human wife, even brings on the aging process by reversing the scientific process that was going to make him immortal.

There comes a point I believe that you would have to make such a decision, just to see what’s out there.
Is that out there, after death, unconditional love?


Unconditional love, that’s where everything comes from, Faith is Gods way of getting it back, no matter what happens here, I.M.H.O..
How can we be in a universe that’s based on motion and not continue on? What’s the purpose to gaining knowledge and then losing it to nothingness?
We are all on our way to somewhere.
Energy is never lost only transferred.
 
Well the so-called christian god has anything but Unconditional Love, it is all conditional.

Paul

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Edge,

I think the purest could stay Human and live immortally through the technology by using the advanced technology to restore and keep their physical body in perfect health while not changing them from being biologically human. It would certainly be riskier, because their body would remain as frail as a perfectly healthy biological human is. They would also more likely or more quickly run into memory issues, being how much can they remember.

But such a purest would be at a disadvantage to someone who incorporated the technology in themselves and in the process vastly enhance their physical and mental abilities. Because of this, I would expect the superior life form to eventually dominate.

Now what kind of society is achieved or what social upheavals we go through to get there, I don’t know.

Some of the possibilities are very, very scary.

For example, one person or one group of people could use this technology to place the rest of society into an extremely powerful dictatorship which would be very hard to get out of.

To achieve this, there might first be a war waged with designer viruses that kill off the vast majority of the population, leaving a more manageable sized population to enslave in the process of establishing a dictatorship that might last millions of years.
 
To achieve this, there might first be a war waged with designer viruses that kill off the vast majority of the population, leaving a more manageable sized population to enslave in the process of establishing a dictatorship that might last millions of years.

Let me start off with this the rich get richer and the poor keep getting poorer.
On a smaller scale today in the world isn't this what's happening now?
This whole scenario has been prophesied already.
Designer viruses like Ebola, Aids, M.R.S.A. are already here, resistant to most antibiotics?

The wealth in the world today has an unequal distribution, but it is written that the ones that have great wealth are blessed and must use it wisely to also help others.

They are given a responsibility to do so, it is written and I can show you.
Just keeping mind that I am coming from my viewpoint.

1 Timothy 6:17-19
17Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. 18Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. 19In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.

Aren’t most people with money able to seek out remedies that extend their lives?
Isn’t the world full of new diseases that are killing millions?
Aren’t millions dying in the poorest countries?

Quote Jesus, what profits a man to gain the whole world only to lose his soul?

For example, one person or one group of people could use this technology to place the rest of society into an extremely powerful dictatorship, which would be very hard to get out of.
This has already started.
The op you started will never happen, because time is too short for it to come from the world.
It won’t need to happen because we have been promised what you are looking for.
 
Designer viruses like Ebola, Aids, M.R.S.A. are already here, resistant to most antibiotics?

Slightly off-topic, but I hope you are aware that viruses like ebola, AIDS and the common cold don't respond to antibiotics anyway, and that MRSA (Staphlococcus aureus) is a bacterium, not a virus, which has evolved resistance to the most common antibiotics. And none of them can be termed "designer viruses" because they were not designed.
 
The wealth in the world today has an unequal distribution, but it is written that the ones that have great wealth are blessed and must use it wisely to also help others.
That's the eternal hope sold to the poor and downtrodden. Believing that it will come to pass is what keeps them so.

'Luthon64
 
That's the eternal hope sold to the poor and downtrodden. Believing that it will come to pass is what keeps them so.

'Luthon64

No that is the eternal hope sold to the rich If you hoard,
Quote Jesus,
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to get into heaven.

Think about it. What would you rather have eternal life or riches?

They are given a responsibility to do so, it is written and I can show you.
1 Timothy 6:17-19
17Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. 18Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. 19In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.

Aren’t most people with money able to seek out remedies that extend their lives?
Isn’t the world full of new diseases that are killing millions?
Aren’t millions dying in the poorest countries?

Quote Jesus, what profits a man to gain the whole world only to lose his soul?

All that money spent chasing weapons of mass destruction, where could we have spent it?
Africa.


Slightly off-topic, but I hope you are aware that viruses like ebola, AIDS and the common cold don't respond to antibiotics anyway, and that MRSA (Staphlococcus aureus) is a bacterium, not a virus, which has evolved resistance to the most common antibiotics. And none of them can be termed "designer viruses" because they were not designed.

How would we know they weren't designed in a lab?
Some people in the know say that they were.

The Beast out of the Earth
11Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon.
Most biblical scholars agree that this is the good old U.S.A..

Where is Babylon?

8A second angel followed and said, "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great, which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries."

12He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.
Everything we buy or sell has this on it already, in code, called the UPC.
People are freaking out the privacy issue related to this, but there is a legitimate use. If you have a fatal illness, this could potentially save your life.
The "Vera Chip," as it's known, will allow people to understand your whole medical history. The medical industry desperately needs some advancement. As it is today, when you go to a doctor's office, everything is on paper in a manila folder. It's so antiquated. So this is a great invention.
http://www.reflector.com/money/content/shared/money/stories/clark/0405/041014healthchip.html

The FDA in October 2002 said that the agency would regulate health care applications possible through VeriChip. Meanwhile, the chip has been used for a number of security-related tasks as well as for pure whimsy: Club hoppers in Barcelona, Spain, now use the microchip much like a smartcard to speed drink orders and payment.

http://www.soundanalarm.net/nwo/veraprove.html

For more,
http://www.us.design-reuse.com/news/news3856.html

4Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?"

The richest people in this country and around the world are the most vain people ever to walk the face of the Earth, not all but most.
They will do and spend anything to look young to be young to live longer.
It's on TV as shows to the masses everyday.They spenfd hundreds of thousands of dollars to look younger only to get older inevedably, instead of sending it to africa. There's your loss of balance. This is where the devil lies.
To not see this is to purposely reject the word of God.


Pophoff, How many kids walked off the bus?
Who did the parents, grand parents give glory to?
It's not the things that are seen but the things that are unseen.
 
Edge,

You sound like a true faithful believer in Jesus.

It sounds like your belief prohibits you from considering the Human race eventually developing into a virtually immortal race. Is that true?

On the other hand, it opens up another line of conversation with you.

Do you believe we have an immortal soul?
 
How would we know they weren't designed in a lab?
Some people in the know say that they were.
How do you know that you are not in the matrix? Some people in the know say that you are.
 
How can we be in a universe that’s based on motion and not continue on?
Non-sequitur.

What’s the purpose to gaining knowledge and then losing it to nothingness?
Purpose is what humans derive. I gain knowledge because it serves a purpose to me. That is all the purpose that is required.

We are all on our way to somewhere.
Life is a journey not a destination.
 
Edge,

You sound like a true faithful believer in Jesus.

It sounds like your belief prohibits you from considering the Human race eventually developing into a virtually immortal race. Is that true?

On the other hand, it opens up another line of conversation with you.

Do you believe we have an immortal soul?

We all do.
The parallels of what you are thinking about are and have been prophesized.

Randfan says,
Quote: edge
We are all on our way to somewhere.
Quote Randfan
Life is a journey not a destination.
At the end of your journey what would your destination be?

Originally Posted by edge
How can we be in a universe that’s based on motion and not continue on?

Randfan says,
Non sequitur, Latin for "it does not follow." In formal logic, an argument is a non sequitur if its conclusion does not follow from its premises.[1] In a non sequitur, the conclusion can be either true or false, but the argument is a fallacy because the conclusion does not follow from the premise. All formal fallacies are specific types of non sequitur. The term has special applicability in law, having a formal legal definition.

God’s law says that it's true when our body’s die we move on.

We do not observe God at work in the everyday world of nature because He almost always works within the framework of His own Laws. And also, "His ways are beyond our discovery". Why?

Our whole universe is based on motion from atoms to stars, to galaxy’s.
We are travelers through time. Four dimensions.
Mathematicians are now claiming as many as twelve.
We are all energy users and where does the energy go, our minds create the energy that keeps us alive.
When we make a campfire there's ash, heat but where is the flame going?
It seems to disappear, the light is going somewhere.
When black holes, sucks up matter, and turns it into energy, and compress it, where does it send it and where does the light escape to? Can't be in this dimension because we would see it. With out light we can't get the transference of energy that keeps us alive in this universe and that is under the curse of the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
Who created the light?
What stops the atoms from keeping us alive they still move in our bodies even after death? The atoms are still moving in our brains, what's missing?

(This did not mean energy did not previously flow from hot to cold reservoirs--the Second Law is only about the increasing unavailability of energy to do useful work as time moves forward). The present tendency of the universe to decay and deteriorate (as described in Romans 8) is a result of human evil and/or evil amongst the angels. Likewise it has been suggested there was no radioactivity before the fall, but that the radioactive decay of certain heavy atoms was switched on at the time of the Fall.
Before it was switched on we may have been meant to be immortal.

If a wife doesn’t listen and is on a destructive path and is draining you of money and constantly doing you wrong by her apparent new beliefs of the world or her life, and immoral, what do you do?
Do you divorce her and separate yourself from her? This goes for a husbands too, who beats you, does drugs, drinks. How far would you separate yourself?

Why would you do that, divorce your self from the situation?
Because you want to be normal, moral, and you can’t stand to be around the evil that she/he brings into your world. Like maybe drug dealers looking for their money with guns. Maybe there are kids at the house, other beings that are innocent.
After the divorce could you be around them?
But you could send her/him some help from a distance.
In one form or another, tell the cops, send a friend to see how she is doing, and get her into rehab.
Is there a limit to what you can or are willing to do depending on what he/she learns through time?
Do you see the parallel, God, humans, angels, and any other beings?

Got to love that avatar Randfan.
 
At the end of your journey what would your destination be?
The end of my life.

Non sequitur, Latin for "it does not follow." In formal logic, an argument is a non sequitur if its conclusion does not follow from its premises.[1] In a non sequitur, the conclusion can be either true or false, but the argument is a fallacy because the conclusion does not follow from the premise. All formal fallacies are specific types of non sequitur. The term has special applicability in law, having a formal legal definition.
I'm not certain but it would seem that you understand now why what you said is a non-sequitur. It does not follow that just because we are in motion that we must continue on. To assert otherwise is a fallacy even if you couch it in a question.

God’s law says that it's true when our body’s die we move on.
Since when did you come to know what god's law is? It amazes me when people speak of faith and then proceed to expound on the mind of god replete with details that don't really reconcile with faith. It's like trying to explain the types of life on a planet in a distant galaxy.

You might have faith that they are there but don't pretend that you really know what they look like.

We do not observe God at work in the everyday world of nature because He almost always works within the framework of His own Laws. And also, "His ways are beyond our discovery".
Then why pretend to know what god's law is? If you want to believe in god that is fine. If you want to speculate about the attributes of god that is fine. Why should you think anyone else should accept your version of god and her intent?

Our whole universe is based on motion from atoms to stars, to galaxy’s.
We are travelers through time. Four dimensions.
Mathematicians are now claiming as many as twelve.
We are all energy users and where does the energy go, our minds create the energy that keeps us alive.
When we make a campfire there's ash, heat but where is the flame going?
It seems to disappear, the light is going somewhere.
When black holes, sucks up matter, and turns it into energy, and compress it, where does it send it and where does the light escape to? Can't be in this dimension because we would see it. With out light we can't get the transference of energy that keeps us alive in this universe and that is under the curse of the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
Who created the light?
What stops the atoms from keeping us alive they still move in our bodies even after death? The atoms are still moving in our brains, what's missing?

(This did not mean energy did not previously flow from hot to cold reservoirs--the Second Law is only about the increasing unavailability of energy to do useful work as time moves forward). The present tendency of the universe to decay and deteriorate (as described in Romans 8) is a result of human evil and/or evil amongst the angels. Likewise it has been suggested there was no radioactivity before the fall, but that the radioactive decay of certain heavy atoms was switched on at the time of the Fall.
Before it was switched on we may have been meant to be immortal.

If a wife doesn’t listen and is on a destructive path and is draining you of money and constantly doing you wrong by her apparent new beliefs of the world or her life, and immoral, what do you do?
Do you divorce her and separate yourself from her? This goes for a husbands too, who beats you, does drugs, drinks. How far would you separate yourself?

Why would you do that, divorce your self from the situation?
Because you want to be normal, moral, and you can’t stand to be around the evil that she/he brings into your world. Like maybe drug dealers looking for their money with guns. Maybe there are kids at the house, other beings that are innocent.
After the divorce could you be around them?
But you could send her/him some help from a distance.
In one form or another, tell the cops, send a friend to see how she is doing, and get her into rehab.
Is there a limit to what you can or are willing to do depending on what he/she learns through time?
Do you see the parallel, God, humans, angels, and any other beings?
I'm not going to attempt to resolve a number of simple errors that you are making. I will however assure you that while there are some interesting questions in your post most of them are not keeping theoretical physicists or philosophers up at night. One could do better in one's philosophical and physics queries. There really are some very good answers out there. If you are sincere in your desire to understand I could make some really good book recommendations. Sadly most are here to expound on their perceived enlighten met or wax philosophical.

Got to love that avatar Randfan.
Agreed. Thank you.

Cheers.
 
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Edge,

Do you believe we have an immortal soul?

Of course.
Will it be damned or not is the question.

The eyes are the windows to the soul think about that.
What do you feel inside?
What's your gut instinct tell you?
Look into other people’s eyes.
Do you see the light in some ones eyes, some one who is absolutely good?
How about an innocent baby, a child, they are so bright eyed.
Then notice even on TV, in the News, people’s eyes, who are pure evil, do they have that light?
Have they lost something, where does it go? All most every one of them is black eyed.
I like seeing mug shots you can tell who is guilty or innocent.
In real life I know who to stay away from, why is that? May be because 99.9 percent of the time it is true.

The soul is part of God and pure, good, it will not stay near evil.
Neither will God.
There’s a lot of ways to know if we do have a soul but that’s one of the best.
Look in some ones eyes.
In the name of the lord Jesus Christ may he open your eyes, amen.
 
:rolleyes: Tell us about it.

Enlightenment

They turned and devoured you but you still can be spit back out, prove it to yourself.
You know what I'm talking about.
You are smarter than that.
You won't see Enlightenment over there. :)
 
Enlightenment from a dowser........................... :D :D :D

Paul

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Enlightenment from a dowser........................... :D :D :D

Paul

:) :) :)

That's all you could muster?
A straw man, thrown out here by a tin man.

I see you addressed none of the specifics.
You can't negate my prayer Paul.
Bless you any way.
 
All you do is quote things about some Jesus guy, as if he is an answer.

Paul

:) :) :)

Why should I do more.
 

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