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Israel will nuke Iran

webfusion said:
I just read that Israel is set to procure from the USA a new type of conventional warhead, which delivers a punch similar to a nuclear blast, underground.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/docs/m11171999_m177-99.htm

Details are sketchy, as the Israelis want to deploy their upgraded missiles/bombs with a minumum of 'fanfare' --- until they get to be used on the NATANZ site in Iran by IAF jets.
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Those are just guided bombs not bunker busters (they have thin skins). About the only thing the US has built that would fit your description is the T12 but:

1)It's been decomisioned
2)Israel doesn't have anything that could carry the thing
3)Israel could trivialy make that type of weapon itself (Grand slam is literaly WW2 tech)

I suspect you are talking about the GBU-28 which Israel has purchased but is in no way comparible to a nuke. On the other hand it is doubtful if it could knock out some of the deeper bunkers.
 
Oliver said:
Nope - some of you see the World a little bit more biased than others.

" We are the Worlds Superpower, we have the most effective weaponry and military. We have the most powerful diplomatic relations.

OMG! OMG! OMG! TERRORISTS!!!!!111!!1!!!!
OMG! OMG! OMG! CUBA!!!!!111!!1!!!!
OMG! OMG! OMG! SOCIALISTS!!!!!111!!1!!!!
OMG! OMG! OMG! LIBERALS!!!!!111!!1!!!!
OMG! OMG! OMG! FRENCH!!!!!111!!1!!!!
OMG! OMG! OMG! SADDAM!!!!!111!!1!!!!
OMG! OMG! OMG! IRAN!!!!!111!!1!!!! "


Yeah, sure. Of course. :boggled: :rolleyes:
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what in the world are you talking about? Do you read your posts before you post them?
 
armchair general at large
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Speaking as just a feeble sergeant in the IDF, I can appreciate that! Gave me a good chuckle, firecoins.

In the meantime, the Israeli Prime Minister is declaring that the Iranian threat is "contained" for now:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/888338.html
"Calm Summer" says Olmert

Chief of Staff Kaplinsky concurs with that assessment, while at the same time:
...Kaplinsky added, however, that "we cannot ignore what we are seeing: a growing Iranian involvement in promoting regional instability, Syrian involvement in the rearming of the Hezbollah following the war in Lebanon, and the preparatory measures being taken by the Syrian army."


Look, I'm not going to attempt to influence anyone about what is clear to me. I state what is so very clear, I offer a link or two, and move on.

Things happen fast in Tel Aviv. My recollections are quite clear, from 1991, as the Iraqi ballistic missiles came in.
 
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webfusion said:
I just read that Israel is set to procure from the USA a new type of conventional warhead, which delivers a punch similar to a nuclear blast, underground.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/docs/m11171999_m177-99.htm

Details are sketchy, as the Israelis want to deploy their upgraded missiles/bombs with a minumum of 'fanfare' --- until they get to be used on the NATANZ site in Iran by IAF jets.
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Web, what in the darkest sphincter of Hell is wrong with you? A JDAM is not a nuke. You link to an article about a conventional weapon, yet you entitle your post "Israel will nuke Iran."

Nuking Iran has nothing to do with conventional weapons and everything to do with nuclear weapons.

The title of your post was a bald faced lie. How about this, Sergeant Web: get your head out of your arse. The popping sound you hear will be the first thing preceding your seeing light again.

If your aim was to look like an ignoramous, Mission Accomplished. :p

DR
 
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Darth Rotor said:
Web, what in the darkest sphincter of Hell is wrong with you? A JDAM is not a nuke. You link to an article about a conventional weapon, yet you entitle your post "Israel will nuke Iran."

Nuking Iran has nothing to do with conventional weapons and everything to do with nuclear weapons.

The title of your post was a bald faced lie. How about this, Sergeant Web: get your head out of your arse. The popping sound you hear will be the first thing preceding your seeing light again.

If your aim was to look like an ignoramous, Mission Accomplished. :p

DR
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DR

Israel is the best military in the world. Convention weapons in the hands of the Israeli military are nuclear weapons. ;)
 
Darth Rotor said:
Web,,,, A JDAM is not a nuke. You link to an article about a conventional weapon, yet you entitle your post "Israel will nuke Iran."

Nuking Iran has nothing to do with conventional weapons and everything to do with nuclear weapons.... *snip*
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An IAF raid of this complexity and distance, aimed to destroy hardened targets underground, would most certainly include JDAM munitions to punch holes in the bunkers, followed-in by small tactical nuclear explosives that would detonate underground.

The details of this scenario are not being made public, for obvious reasons, and would still remain classified even after the mission concludes. Israel is not likely to admit using nukes, and the JDAM's are a way for the IAF to be able to provide "plausible deniability" ---

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article1290331.ece
By Uzi Mahnaimi, New York and Sarah Baxter, Washington
  • Two Israeli air force squadrons are training to blow up an Iranian facility using low-yield nuclear “bunker-busters”, according to several Israeli military sources.

    Under the plans, conventional laser-guided bombs would open “tunnels” into the targets. “Mini-nukes” would then immediately be fired into the plant at Natanz, exploding deep underground to reduce the risk of radioactive fallout.

I don't think you or anyone can convince me this is not the IAF plan.
 
webfusion said:
An IAF raid of this complexity and distance, aimed to destroy hardened targets underground, would most certainly include JDAM munitions to punch holes in the bunkers, followed-in by small tactical nuclear explosives that would detonate underground.
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It is unlikely that Israel has tactical nukes. Devloping the without a testing program would be kinda tricky.
 
webfusion said:
An IAF raid of this complexity and distance, aimed to destroy hardened targets underground, would most certainly include JDAM munitions to punch holes in the bunkers, followed-in by small tactical nuclear explosives that would detonate underground.

The details of this scenario are not being made public, for obvious reasons, and would still remain classified even after the mission concludes. Israel is not likely to admit using nukes, and the JDAM's are a way for the IAF to be able to provide "plausible deniability" ---

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article1290331.ece
By Uzi Mahnaimi, New York and Sarah Baxter, Washington
  • Two Israeli air force squadrons are training to blow up an Iranian facility using low-yield nuclear “bunker-busters”, according to several Israeli military sources.

    Under the plans, conventional laser-guided bombs would open “tunnels” into the targets. “Mini-nukes” would then immediately be fired into the plant at Natanz, exploding deep underground to reduce the risk of radioactive fallout.

I don't think you or anyone can convince me this is not the IAF plan.
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Ya know, Web, it might have been nice to add that detail, and the reasoning behind your analysis, to the OP.

Your OP is a falsehood as stated.

I don't think the Israeli government is politically stupid enough to draw first nuclear blood, Web. It isn't a tactical issue, it is a geostrategic issue, and one that would put Israel into "pariah state" status rather quickly.

"The details are not being made public."
"The details are in a newspaper article."

See anything wrong here?

DR
 
geni said:
It is unlikely that Israel has tactical nukes. Devloping the without a testing program would be kinda tricky.
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Umm, I would not be so sure about that!

Israel worked with South Africa about 30 years ago to develop nuclear weapons.

Israel had the money and technology,
South Africa had the raw materials and testing areas.
 
Crossbow said:
Umm, I would not be so sure about that!

Israel worked with South Africa about 30 years ago to develop nuclear weapons.

Israel had the money and technology,
South Africa had the raw materials and testing areas.
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Isreal has nukes but the other than perhaps the Vela Incident no testing. The Vela Incident is also the only posible south african test and even with the fall of the apartite goverment no data suggesting other tests has come to light. South african nukes were fairly simple gun type designs while Israel almost certianly uses implosion weapons.
 
RandFan said:
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Be that as it may it is NOT the subject at hand.
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Why not? Iran thinks that it needs a bomb, and Israel feels it needs to stop them from having one. I do recognize however that Israel has a point, considering Iran's hand in Lebanon and the words of their president. But it may be the neighborhood Iran lives in that is driving them most.
 
geni said:
It is unlikely that Israel has tactical nukes. Devloping the without a testing program would be kinda tricky.
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Israel tests their nukes on supercomputer simulations. There are no actual explosions.
 
lightcreatedlife@hom said:
Why not? Iran thinks that it needs a bomb, and Israel feels it needs to stop them from having one. I do recognize however that Israel has a point, considering Iran's hand in Lebanon and the words of their president. But it may be the neighborhood Iran lives in that is driving them most.
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I honestly don't what the hell I was thinking. Never mind.
 
lightcreatedlife@hom said:
Why not? Iran thinks that it needs a bomb, and Israel feels it needs to stop them from having one. I do recognize however that Israel has a point, considering Iran's hand in Lebanon and the words of their president. But it may be the neighborhood Iran lives in that is driving them most.
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First of all: Provide evidence that Iran wants a bomb. Just because the World is crapping their pants about it, doesn't make it a fact.

Now even if it wouldn't be a surprise if they would love to have nuclear bombs, too - the higher priority for them seems to be the advantage and cheapness of nuclear power to reform their society into a modern one.

Your point ... ? :confused:
 
Oliver said:
First of all: Provide evidence that Iran wants a bomb. Just because the World is crapping their pants about it, doesn't make it a fact.

Now even if it wouldn't be a surprise if they would love to have nuclear bombs, too - the higher priority for them seems to be the advantage and cheapness of nuclear power to reform their society into a modern one.

Your point ... ?
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The point is that Iran is sitting on large oil reserves and the world has offered to provide them with nuclear fuel. They have refused saying that they want to make it themselves.

If what they wanted was as innocent as you suggest then why do they refuse nuclear fuel from the rest of the world? They could start up their program anytime the rest of the world didn't live up the bargain.

Given that they have vast reserves of oil and have been offered nuclear fuel it is not reasonable to believe that they are not trying to make a bomb.
 
RandFan said:
The point is that Iran is sitting on large oil reserves and the world has offered to provide them with nuclear fuel. They have refused saying that they want to make it themselves.

If what they wanted was as innocent as you suggest then why do they refuse nuclear fuel from the rest of the world? They could start up their program anytime the rest of the world didn't live up the bargain.

Given that they have vast reserves of oil and have been offered nuclear fuel it is not reasonable to believe that they are not trying to make a bomb.
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Well, before I answer your question, allow me to understand your point of view:
Why is anyone interested in underdeveloped Iran at all? (beside the nuclear question)
 
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