Was Christopher Columbus obsessed with the Bible

If y'all split these hairs any further, y'all are going to start nuclear reactions.
 
Herzblut said:
This is not circular reasoning.
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Yes it is.

Instead, it concludes from an atheist ideology held by an omnipotent state party to an atheist state.
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Yes, circular.

Which is fully valid if that state does suppress religions.
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No it isn't. This is the second time you've spoken this lie.

If you disagree, provide a better definition of an "atheist state".
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Albania under Hoxha. Which was an atheist state. The only atheist state to ever exist.

Antitheists form a subset of all atheists.
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Another lie. It's clear from your lies and demogougery that you're bigoted against atheists.


I'm still waiting for you to present legitimate evidence, as opposed to your bigotry and conjecture, that China is an atheist state.
 
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Herzblut said:
It is even more amusing that Tony called the US & A "secular" as it's one of the most religious places on Earth.

:D

Ever heart of "selective perception"? It's something you should really try to reduce to an acceptable level.

Herzblut
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I wonder what happened to Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc.

Heck, what happened to Mexico, Haiti, Brazil, etc.

We're a looooong way from the most religious place on Earth.

That's just my little way of trying to reduce the selective perception in this thread to an acceptable level.
 
Herzblut said:
Wrong again:

The country has an area of 3.5 million square miles, and its population is approximately 1.3 billion. According to an April 2005 Government White Paper, there were "more than 100 million religious adherents,"

US State Department Report 2006
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2006/71338.htm

Thereafter, approximately 90% of all Chinese are irreligious.
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Almost missed this piece of dishonesty, whether intellectual or simply standard issue apologetic BS I can't say. The first sentence of the demographic section quotes the 2005 Government White paper. The rest of the section is spent explaining why that number is low. FFS, who are you expecting to fool? Do you not expect people to read your links?
 
Herzblut said:
Prove that



Good luck!

Herzblut
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.75% Catholic
3% Muslim
(http://www.nationmaster.com/country/ch-china/rel-religion)
33% Traditional
(http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html)
I haven't been able to find any current stats on Buddhism or Taoism (http://www.asian-nation.org/religion.shtml) only many references tothem being main religions in China. In 1995 there were 68 million buddhists (http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~phalsall/texts/chinrelg.html) so if we assume it grew at the same rate as the population, there would be roughly 74 million buddhists in 2005. That would be another 5.7%. I'm unable to find any stats at all for Taoism.

Similarly I have difficulty find stats for atheism in China. Although that is your claim and I should encourage you to bear the burden of proof, I have found that the 2005 estimate is for 240 million atheists worldwide. (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html). So after you split out the rest of the world (especially Russia) I seriously doubt you can come up with more than 650 million atheists in China.
 
quixotecoyote said:
So no counterargument. Ok
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Argument? I didn't know you were the forum police in front of which I have to justify when I find something amusing. And you want to deny that your US&A is one of the most religious countries in the western world, quicho?

You're so funny!

Herzblut
 
quixotecoyote said:
.75% Catholic
3% Muslim
(http://www.nationmaster.com/country/ch-china/rel-religion)
33% Traditional
(http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html)
I haven't been able to find any current stats on Buddhism or Taoism (http://www.asian-nation.org/religion.shtml) only many references tothem being main religions in China. In 1995 there were 68 million buddhists (http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~phalsall/texts/chinrelg.html) so if we assume it grew at the same rate as the population, there would be roughly 74 million buddhists in 2005. That would be another 5.7%. I'm unable to find any stats at all for Taoism.

Similarly I have difficulty find stats for atheism in China. Although that is your claim and I should encourage you to bear the burden of proof, I have found that the 2005 estimate is for 240 million atheists worldwide. (http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html). So after you split out the rest of the world (especially Russia) I seriously doubt you can come up with more than 650 million atheists in China.
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I couldn't care less about your personal doubts and fears and such. The site adherents.com you cited above says:

Communist laws banning most religion and recent rapid changes introducing increasing openness make accurate estimates difficult to obtain. Recent figures for the number of "Chinese religionists" include 220 and 225 million. Barrett (World Christian Encyclopedia, 2001) classified 384,806,732 "Chinese folk-religionists," 6,298,597 "Confucianists" and 2,654,514 "Taoists," or about 394 million total.

That still makes 70% Chinese non-religionists. Swallow it, again, your claim about the "vast majority of Chinese" being religious is rediculous and without any evidence. So, just leave me alone with your crap, would you?

Cheers
Herzblut
 
Tony said:
You've just validated what I've long maintained; that, when you get the true substance of their beliefs, christians are anti-american. Thank you.
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Looks like 78-80% of Americans are anti-American. I guess Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, and Bush Jr. could be considered anti-American also.

From Wiki article "Religion in the United States"

"Most Americans adhere to Christianity. According to the 2001 American Religious Identification Survey (discussed below), 80% of the U.S. is Christian and 15% do not adhere to a religion. Other religions comprise 5% of the U.S. population. According to the CIA World Factbook, the U.S. is 78% Christian and 10% no religion,"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States


This is probably why Hilliary is doing a lot more talk about religion these days.
 
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DOC said:
Looks like 78-80% of Americans are anti-American. I guess Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, and Bush Jr. could be considered anti-American also.

From Wiki article "Religion in the United States"

"Most Americans adhere to Christianity. According to the 2001 American Religious Identification Survey (discussed below), 80% of the U.S. is Christian and 15% do not adhere to a religion. Other religions comprise 5% of the U.S. population. According to the CIA World Factbook, the U.S. is 78% Christian and 10% no religion,"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States


This is probably why Hilliary is doing a lot more talk about religion these days.
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Aren't you glad that America's secular foundations have led to so much religious freedom?
 
Y'know, "secular government" does not mean "government that doesn't allow religion".

If Herzblut is silly enough to say that the U.S. isn't secular because a majority holds to a certain religion, then he's fooling himself. The U.S. government makes no religion the "official" religion (although some members in office are trying to get that fitted in).
 
Herzblut

Why do you lie about what I wrote when it's right there for everyone to read? Who are you expecting to fool?

There can't be an atheistic majority in China because the number of Atheists in THE WHOLE WORLD is less than half of China's population.

It's right there in the post. So again, who do you expect to fool?

eta: And when you state the USA is more religious than Iran, who are you expecting to fool with that? Are you in it for the lurkers or is there a certain section of the forum you think will fall for that?
 
quixotecoyote said:
Herzblut

Why do you lie about what I wrote when it's right there for everyone to read? Who are you expecting to fool?

There can't be an atheistic majority in China because the number of Atheists in THE WHOLE WORLD is less than half of China's population.

It's right there in the post. So again, who do you expect to fool?
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Though the statistics could easily be wrong. I've always been skeptical of world-wide statistics; I mean, I'm sure that they might be accurate to a certain extant, but I'm not sure what extant that may be.

eta: And when you state the USA is more religious than Iran, who are you expecting to fool with that? Are you in it for the lurkers or is there a certain section of the forum you think will fall for that?
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There may always be the possibility that he's fooling himself.
 
DOC said:
Looks like 78-80% of Americans are anti-American. I guess Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, and Bush Jr. could be considered anti-American also.

From Wiki article "Religion in the United States"

"Most Americans adhere to Christianity. According to the 2001 American Religious Identification Survey (discussed below), 80% of the U.S. is Christian and 15% do not adhere to a religion. Other religions comprise 5% of the U.S. population. According to the CIA World Factbook, the U.S. is 78% Christian and 10% no religion,"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States


This is probably why Hilliary is doing a lot more talk about religion these days.
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Ahh, truth through majority...
So, because MTV is more popular than Opera, it must be better than opera?
 
Most people I've spoken to in China simply don't talk much, if at all, about religion. It just isn't that important to most of them.
 
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