An email from a Conspiracy theorist, and I have no idea how

[beachnut]

I use the following scientific method:

1. All scenarios must be considered to be true until the contrary is proved.
2. All observations, assumptions or statements on which a scenario is based must be considered false until the contrary is proved.

What? No, a scenario is not true because you say so.

What? Observation are not false. They are observations.

Do you speak or read English? You have major problems with everything. That is not the scientific method, it is some perverted weird junk you wrote.

 

[~enigma~]

Heiwa is just Swedish.

Heiwa also changed my mind extremely negatively about Swedes. Hope the moron is proud.

 

[Heiwa]

What? No, a scenario is not true because you say so.

What? Observation are not false. They are observations.

Do you speak or read English? You have major problems with everything. That is not the scientific method, it is some perverted weird junk you wrote.

No, it is a quote from a text book how to analyse, e.g. strange phenomena. If you do not like the music, pls do not shoot the pianist!

 

[Heiwa]

Heiwa also changed my mind extremely negatively about Swedes. Hope the moron is proud.

Yes, many Swedes are very strange. That's why I left the country 1971. But most Swedes are quite nice, like the Americans. Ignorant of course about many things, when you live in a big country with small population. Too many trees, so you cannot see the forest.

 

[~enigma~]

I was stunned. A plane slicing through a wall of steel perimeter columns - like a knife cutting warm butter.

KT...or a fan...in either case the scenarios he is putting forth are total stupidity...for that matter so is Killtown and his supposed new girlfriend the webfairy.

 

[Heiwa]

KT...or a fan...in either case the scenarios he is putting forth are total stupidity...for that matter so is Killtown and his supposed new girlfriend the webfairy.

Luckily I have at least one other person supporting me:

http://www.democraticunderground.co...mesg&forum=103&topic_id=297214&mesg_id=297214

So that makes two! And there are many more.

 

[~enigma~]

. The jet fuel burnt at once in the fire ball or poured down to the street. So no high temperatures could ensue. And no global collapse could ensue.

Jet fuel....but you said the plane impact was faked. Was the jet fuel faked also? I suppose the people in the street that suffered burns from the fake fuel were paid off? If you want, I am sure Gravy can come up with their contact info so you can confront them and call them liars to their face. Your bs is really disgusting.

 

[~enigma~]

No, it is a quote from a text book how to analyse, e.g. strange phenomena. If you do not like the music, pls do not shoot the pianist!

No way is this from any textbook.

2. All observations, assumptions or statements on which a scenario is based must be considered false until the contrary is proved

I am a witness to a plane. According to a scholarly text I must assume it is false until I prove the contrary - in other words I must prove there was no plane in order to prove the plane I saw was real?????

Heiwa, I have two words for you but because of rule8 I can't say them. Suffice it to say that if I ever come to France or meet you anywhere, you will hear them.

 

[Heiwa]

Jet fuel....but you said the plane impact was faked. Was the jet fuel faked also? I suppose the people in the street that suffered burns from the fake fuel were paid off? If you want, I am sure Gravy can come up with their contact info so you can confront them and call them liars to their face. Your bs is really disgusting.

You have not read properly. As the plane impact is a fake, the jet fuel cannot have been arriving with the plane at 500 mph and stopped inside the tower on floor 82 within 0.3 seconds. So if jet fuel was burning in the tower, it must have been put there some other way, e.g. using the elevators beforehand transporting it up to floor 82. That's how I would have done it if I were a criminal terrorist carrying out 9/11.

Please, grow up. We discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly way. I am curious how these gangsters really did it.

 

[Heiwa]

I am a witness to a plane. According to a scholarly text I must assume it is false until I prove the contrary - in other words I must prove there was no plane in order to prove the plane I saw was real?????

It suffices if you can prove it was a plane you saw. If you cannot prove that the assumtion is, it was no plane.

 

[~enigma~]

It suffices if you can prove it was a plane you saw. If you cannot prove that the assumtion is, it was no plane.

What text is your theory from? i guess it was a lie when you said it is your theory.

 

[~enigma~]

You have not read properly. As the plane impact is a fake, the jet fuel cannot have been arriving with the plane at 500 mph and stopped inside the tower on floor 82 within 0.3 seconds. So if jet fuel was burning in the tower, it must have been put there some other way, e.g. using the elevators beforehand transporting it up to floor 82. That's how I would have done it if I were a criminal terrorist carrying out 9/11.

Please, grow up. We discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly way. I am curious how these gangsters really did it.

Freindly to you? Remember those two words?

 

[raol]

Heiwa also changed my mind extremely negatively about Swedes. Hope the moron is proud.

Please don't let him do that. I'm a Swede as well, and I can assure you his is a 100 % not representative. We are all laughing at him over at a swedish forum (flashback.info).

 

[~enigma~]

Please don't let him do that. I'm a Swede as well, and I can assure you his is a 100 % not representative. We are all laughing at him over at a swedish forum (flashback.info).

Please tell me that Sweden is considering sending a team of thugs to bring him back so they can reinstitute viking burials then I will gladly regain my respect for Swedes

 

[Panoply_Prefect]

In WTC2 the fuel was probably hidden in an empty office.

Yes, that sounds plausible... obviously the conspiracists thought it an easy task to transport gallons of gallons of flamable jetfuel up those elevators to fill a specially hermetically sealed empty office, just to make sure that the fake plane-story were believed. Not to mention planting all those remote controlled CD devices, faking live video coverages from both national and international media, buying off witnesses, passengers of fake planes and their relatives, paying off the airline-companies, planting explosives in the Pentagon (and jet-fuel as well apparently), faking airplane debris as well as passenger DNA, faking saudi-arabic hijackers (carefully avoiding using afghan- or iraqi ones of course), controlling all investigations made, etc - its an obvious way to do it.

Mimicking the 1993 bomb, now that on the other hand, would have made no sense. No sense at all.

Heiwa also changed my mind extremely negatively about Swedes. Hope the moron is proud.

I just like to bring to the table the fact that he has been living in France the past 30-years.

I blame the frog-eaters.

cheers,
SLOB

 

[Heiwa]

Yes, that sounds plausible... obviously the conspiracists thought it an easy task to transport gallons of gallons of flamable jetfuel up those elevators to fill a specially hermetically sealed empty office, just to make sure that the fake plane-story were believed. Not to mention planting all those remote controlled CD devices, faking live video coverages from both national and international media, buying off witnesses, passengers of fake planes and their relatives, paying off the airline-companies, planting explosives in the Pentagon (and jet-fuel as well apparently), faking airplane debris as well as passenger DNA, faking saudi-arabic hijackers (carefully avoiding using afghan- or iraqi ones of course), controlling all investigations made, etc - its an obvious way to do it.

Now we are moving forward in the discussion about how the gangsters did it:

"obviously the conspiracists thought it an easy task to transport gallons of gallons of flamable jetfuel up those elevators to fill a specially hermetically sealed empty office, just to make sure that the fake plane-story were believed".

The service elevators are used for that. Question remains what office they used, that need not be hermetically sealed.

"Not to mention planting all those remote controlled CD devices".

Probably fitted in the elevator shafts and other service spaces.

"faking live video coverages from both national and international media".

Socialworker has shown how it was done.

"buying off witnesses"

That's easy - most of them were deceived by the illusion and did not need to be bought.

"buying off passengers of fake planes and their relatives".

No need to do that; the passengers are missing.

"paying off the airline-companies"

Why is that necessary?

"planting explosives in the Pentagon (and jet-fuel as well apparently)"

Easy of course - but note no jet fuel was planted at Pentagon! The fire/fire ball at Pentagon is not jetfuel! They missed that.

"faking airplane debris"

Also a failure of the gangsters as there was no debris except some minor parts, never properly identified. So some 'expert' was told to say that all debris went up in smoke.

"faking passenger DNA"

Probably easier to fake the military lab report. Of course any DNA analysis should have been done by at least two, independent labs in the first place.

"faking saudi-arabic hijackers (carefully avoiding using afghan- or iraqi ones of course)".

Actually some Egyptians, Yemenites and Maroccans too, but quite easy. They were all duped by people knowing to do such things. Take flying lessons, etc!

"controlling all investigations made, etc".

Easy, the investigators were told just to confirm the gangster Hollywood script based on all leads they miracuously found everywhere.

So SLOB, it is not impossible to create an illusion. And much easier than to hijack real planes, etc.

For those JREF members that have not yet done it, read my book Disaster Investigation from 2000 at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/epreamble.htm to see how another country managed to cover-up another fatal incident that took place 1994. The government then, 2001, asked various bodies if the observations of my book was worth further investigation and the answer by a majority was YES. But no further investigation was done. It was at that time a Finnish government spokesperson told media live that 'Heiwa' had no idea what he was talking about and was trying to bring down the Finnish government!!

However Swedish members of parliament, MPs, of all parties suggested again and again further investigations and the government finally agreed 2005 - USD 3 M should be spent 2006-2008 to explain the incident based on the official info by to syndicates of scientists. The ongoing investigations have already confirmed me right in many respects.

So you see, I have not only a good reputation, I get things done by analyzing data and explain the real facts ... but slowly. Pls avoid obnoxious insults in further messages. I am so used to them after being accused of bringing down the Finnish government that they have no effect.

 

[T.A.M.]

Now we are moving forward in the discussion about how the gangsters did it:

"obviously the conspiracists thought it an easy task to transport gallons of gallons of flamable jetfuel up those elevators to fill a specially hermetically sealed empty office, just to make sure that the fake plane-story were believed".

The service elevators are used for that. Question remains what office they used, that need not be hermetically sealed.

When did they "plant" these "gallons" of jet fuel...oh let me guess, during the power downs plus they got all dressed up as repair men or janitorial staff, and brought it in under the guise of something else...right.

"Not to mention planting all those remote controlled CD devices".

Probably fitted in the elevator shafts and other service spaces.

Of course. Likewise, they did all this during the brief power downs and under the guise this time of sekrit "electricians" or elevator repairmen...right?

"faking live video coverages from both national and international media".

Socialworker has shown how it was done.

Well, someone showing you it CAN be done, means the USG MUST HAVE done it...right?

"buying off witnesses"

That's easy - most of them were deceived by the illusion and did not need to be bought.

What illusion were the "deceived" by...you mean the sekrit disguises they used to plant all of this stuff?

"buying off passengers of fake planes and their relatives".

No need to do that; the passengers are missing.

Ahhhh - so why not simply move the passengers onto the "drone" planes as a routine "transfer", and then have them locked into the passenger section until the plane is rammed into the buildings...seems that would be an easier cover than having to have someone murder them elsewhere...or are they in "witness protection"?

"paying off the airline-companies"

Why is that necessary?

I guess your right. According to your fantasy, they had the drones all ready, then just had the pilots magically called down from the air, and then put the drones up.

"planting explosives in the Pentagon (and jet-fuel as well apparently)"

Easy of course - but note no jet fuel was planted at Pentagon! The fire/fire ball at Pentagon is not jetfuel! They missed that.

Ahhh...so no jet fuel at the pentagon....it gets even better. Are you writing a manuscript for this...I know a few science fiction publishers.

"faking airplane debris"

Also a failure of the gangsters as there was no debris except some minor parts, never properly identified. So some 'expert' was told to say that all debris went up in smoke.

Doh, damn stupid evil all power moloch cabal.

"faking passenger DNA"

Probably easier to fake the military lab report. Of course any DNA analysis should have been done by at least two, independent labs in the first place.

Why should it have...it was faked anyway...right?

"faking saudi-arabic hijackers (carefully avoiding using afghan- or iraqi ones of course)".

Actually some Egyptians, Yemenites and Maroccans too, but quite easy. They were all duped by people knowing to do such things. Take flying lessons, etc!

ok, (i cant believe I am saying this, but the cat is in need of a ball of wool) you'll have to elaborate...

"controlling all investigations made, etc".

Easy, the investigators were told just to confirm the gangster Hollywood script based on all leads they miracuously found everywhere.

Ok so the investigators are innocent (thank god someone in this story is).

So SLOB, it is not impossible to create an illusion. And much easier than to hijack real planes, etc.

For those JREF members that have not yet done it, read my book Disaster Investigation from 2000 at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/epreamble.htm to see how another country managed to cover-up another fatal incident that took place 1994. The government then, 2001, asked various bodies if the observations of my book was worth further investigation and the answer by a majority was YES. But no further investigation was done. It was at that time a Finnish government spokesperson told media live that 'Heiwa' had no idea what he was talking about and was trying to bring down the Finnish government!!

However Swedish members of parliament, MPs, of all parties suggested again and again further investigations and the government finally agreed 2005 - USD 3 M should be spent 2006-2008 to explain the incident based on the official info by to syndicates of scientists. The ongoing investigations have already confirmed me right in many respects.

So you see, I have not only a good reputation, I get things done by analyzing data and explain the real facts ... but slowly. Pls avoid obnoxious insults in further messages. I am so used to them after being accused of bringing down the Finnish government that they have no effect.

Heiwa, you haev got to be 12 years old. I can see no rational adult believing such sensational, detached from reality garbage as what you have listed. Even if there was some proof of the above, most adults would say it was BS, but with no evidence, merely conjecture, you can't HONESTLY believe this...your pulling our leg...right?

TAM

 

[GlennB]

Heiwa - I had a glance around your website, and noticed that :
"Heiwa Co has designed, got Class approval, and manufactured and fitted a large number of life boat davits to extremely competetive costs." That seems to be about all the real engineering work I can see there.

So, apart from fitting lifeboat davits, what marine engineering have you actually done? Actual, physical engineering, I mean. Could you name some of the clients from "Scandinavia, Japan, Middle East, Ukraine and the Mediterranean area." that you mention in passing?

 

[T.A.M.]

Heiwa - I had a glance around your website, and noticed that :
"Heiwa Co has designed, got Class approval, and manufactured and fitted a large number of life boat davits to extremely competetive costs." That seems to be about all the real engineering work I can see there.

So, apart from fitting lifeboat davits, what marine engineering have you actually done? Actual, physical engineering, I mean. Could you name some of the clients from "Scandinavia, Japan, Middle East, Ukraine and the Mediterranean area." that you mention in passing?

You mean he is actually an adult, and believes the above nonsense...ok, he now goes into the ACE Baker/James Fetzer Category.

Where is the damn head shaking smilie...

TAM

 

[Panoply_Prefect]

Now we are moving forward in the discussion about how the gangsters did it:

"obviously the conspiracists thought it an easy task to transport gallons of gallons of flamable jetfuel up those elevators to fill a specially hermetically sealed empty office, just to make sure that the fake plane-story were believed".

The service elevators are used for that. Question remains what office they used, that need not be hermetically sealed.

Questions remains how, when and by whom. Since there are absolutely nothing that supports this claim. Oh, and why they would go to all the trouble.

"Not to mention planting all those remote controlled CD devices".

Probably fitted in the elevator shafts and other service spaces.

Again, no evidence to support this.

"faking live video coverages from both national and international media".

Socialworker has shown how it was done.

No, he (?) hasn't.

"buying off witnesses"

That's easy - most of them were deceived by the illusion and did not need to be bought.

Again, no evidence. And no explanation as to how they were decieved. How do you decieve someone who actually sees a plane hit the WTC?

"buying off passengers of fake planes and their relatives".

No need to do that; the passengers are missing.

Ok, so covertly "killing all the passengers and the crew", then. In such a fashion as to give the impression they went to the respective airport and boarded the planes.

"paying off the airline-companies"

Why is that necessary?

Why else would the airplane companies miss four flights and not complain about it? Or are you claiming that all passengers went onboard the planes, and then were secretly taken somewhere else?

Im thinking its time you faced up and offered your full theory on what happened - and stopped hiding behind the "Im just asking"-shield. Instead of having us guess and second guess what on earth you are talking about. But you won't do that, will you.

"faking airplane debris"

Also a failure of the gangsters as there was no debris except some minor parts, never properly identified. So some 'expert' was told to say that all debris went up in smoke.

Still, someone would have to secretly put it there. Without anyone noticing. And you have no idea what was and wasn't "properly" identified. And how much debris would be left from such an impact?

"faking saudi-arabic hijackers (carefully avoiding using afghan- or iraqi ones of course)".

Actually some Egyptians, Yemenites and Maroccans too, but quite easy. They were all duped by people knowing to do such things. Take flying lessons, etc!

I guess you dont really understand why I added the "Carefully avoiding"-part. HINT: Did the US have any intention at the time of invading either Egypt, Yemen or Morocco?

"controlling all investigations made, etc".

Easy, the investigators were told just to confirm the gangster Hollywood script based on all leads they miracuously found everywhere

Ah, yes. And all those experts just nodded and said "Yes of course. Normally we do science, but for you, we will confirm your "Hollywood script", and lie and decieve (not to mention put all our credibility as scientists at risk). No problem".

So SLOB, it is not impossible to create an illusion.

Nobody said it was.

/S