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More Fun with Homeopath Dana Ullman, MPH(!)

Well, I like Nigel Tranter too, but I'm always aware that he's basically making most of it up.

I think we really did break the latest cat toys. James/Dana and Neil/Bach went away about the same time, and I'm not convinced Manioberoi will be back either. They're so fragile! Why can't we have one that stays the course?

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
Well, I like Nigel Tranter too, but I'm always aware that he's basically making most of it up.

I think we really did break the latest cat toys. James/Dana and Neil/Bach went away about the same time, and I'm not convinced Manioberoi will be back either. They're so fragile! Why can't we have one that stays the course?

Rolfe.
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I have not gone away yet. Homeopathy is getting more professional to meet the criticisms such as have been made on this site.

PRESS RELEASE
(July 16TH 2007, London)
The inaugural Board Meeting of the newly formed Homeopathy Research Institute (HRI), took place in London in June signalling a new era in the field of homeopathic research in the UK.

The aim of the Homeopathy Research Institute is to promote and facilitate high-quality scientific research in the field of homeopathy. The HRI will be the first central resource dedicated solely to research about homeopathy as it is practised today. A key task of the Institute will be to communicate about the science relating to homeopathy to the medical and scientific communities, the media, the general public, and to homeopaths themselves. The Institute will form a bridge between the scientific and homeopathic communities backed up by a strong PR and communications team.

www.homeopathyresearchinstitute.org
 
manioberoi said:
I have not gone away yet. Homeopathy is getting more professional to meet the criticisms such as have been made on this site.

PRESS RELEASE
(July 16TH 2007, London)
The inaugural Board Meeting of the newly formed Homeopathy Research Institute (HRI), took place in London in June signalling a new era in the field of homeopathic research in the UK.

The aim of the Homeopathy Research Institute is to promote and facilitate high-quality scientific research in the field of homeopathy. The HRI will be the first central resource dedicated solely to research about homeopathy as it is practised today. A key task of the Institute will be to communicate about the science relating to homeopathy to the medical and scientific communities, the media, the general public, and to homeopaths themselves. The Institute will form a bridge between the scientific and homeopathic communities backed up by a strong PR and communications team.

www.homeopathyresearchinstitute.org
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I just checked the website and must say that the arguments I found there certainly convinced me! :confused:
 
manioberoi said:
The aim of the Homeopathy Research Institute is to promote and facilitate high-quality scientific research in the field of homeopathy.
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That sounds fine. But will they also recognise that homoeopathy is placebo therapy when their high-quality studies all end up with no effect found? I doubt it. Probably they will serve more as a PR institution than a research institution.
 
I alos checked the HRI homepage. The ongoing projects are designed to show how they can cooperate with conventional science, but it does not look as if they are using any form of blinding. The project descriptions are very summary, but I believe that if they put any value on blinding, they would have mentioned it.

It does not seem that there will come anything valuable out of this other than how placebo might help people in certain circumstances.
 
manioberoi said:
Homeopathy is getting more professional to meet the criticisms such as have been made on this site.
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Why? After all the claims of success and all the whining about how unfair it is that no-one takes them seriously, why are they only now getting "more professional"? Why not 200 years ago when it was first made up?
 
Rolfe said:
Well, I like Nigel Tranter too, but I'm always aware that he's basically making most of it up.

I think we really did break the latest cat toys. James/Dana and Neil/Bach went away about the same time, and I'm not convinced Manioberoi will be back either. They're so fragile! Why can't we have one that stays the course?

Rolfe.
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Kumar survived 4,881 posts but I think he was a "special" case. Testimony to the high quality engineering of Kumarbot and its patented Reality Shielding, which shelters all its working parts from inconvenient facts and logical argument.
 
shpalman said:
Veryscarymary hasn't been back to badscience.net yet either...
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... ooh, now she has:
veryscarymary on badscience.net said:
Hello,
Sorry I've been away for a while but I think you should go here
http://uk.geocities.com/successful_complementary_therapy/index.htm
and DO make sure your great leader and 'God' bans me now.
Thanx
.............Oh and have a lovely Summer:)
p.s. Thanx for all the useful tips on how to write to the press, I used every one:)
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manioberoi said:
I have not gone away yet.
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Oh good. Perhaps you can answer a question I asked you a while back, then.

You posted an anecdote in which, following the administration of a homoeopathic remedy, an unusually violent storm broke out. How would you go about establishing that the remedy didn't cause the storm?
 
Mojo said:
Oh good. Perhaps you can answer a question I asked you a while back, then.

You posted an anecdote in which, following the administration of a homoeopathic remedy, an unusually violent storm broke out. How would you go about establishing that the remedy didn't cause the storm?
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I second that request, manioberoi, that you finally answer Mojo's very simple question.

Here is an example where a homeopath very heavily implies that just proving their 'remedy' led to global-scale shipping disasters.

http://uk.geocities.com/veryscarymary/helvetiaproving3.html
 
And here is an example of either a homeopathically-caused iatrogenic illness or a condition getting worse on its own because the homeopathy is doing nothing whatsoever. How does this fit in with
Homeopathic remedies are a unique, potentised energy medicine, drawn from the plant, mineral and animal worlds. They are diluted to such a degree that not one molecule of the original substance can be detected (after the 6c potency).

They work by gently boosting the natural energy of the body, and are very safe, even for pregnant and sensitive patients. There is no danger of addiction or toxicity.
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... from http://www.homeopathy-soh.org/about-homeopathy/what-is-homeopathy/ ?
 
shpalman said:
And here is an example of either a homeopathically-caused iatrogenic illness or a condition getting worse on its own because the homeopathy is doing nothing whatsoever. How does this fit in with

... from http://www.homeopathy-soh.org/about-homeopathy/what-is-homeopathy/ ?
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That homeopathy-soh.org page has issues. I like this one:
How are the remedies made?
There are five regulated homeopathic pharmacies in the UK (see Find a Pharmacy). The raw extracts (from plants or animals) or triturations (from minerals and salts) are made into a ‘tincture’ with alcohol which forms the basis of the dilution procedure. Dilutions are made up to either 1 part tincture to 10 parts water (1x) or 1 part tincture to 100 parts water (1c). Repeated dilution results in the familiar 6x, 6c or 30c potencies that can be bought over the counter: the 30c contains less than 1 part per million of the original substance.
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Bold and red mine. Either the writer doesn't know much about maths, or is being deliberately dishonest.
 
shpalman said:
... ooh, now she has:
veryscarymary on badscience.net said:
Hello,
Sorry I've been away for a while but I think you should go here
http://uk.geocities.com/successful_c...rapy/index.htm
and DO make sure your great leader and 'God' bans me now.
Thanx
.............Oh and have a lovely Summer
p.s. Thanx for all the useful tips on how to write to the press, I used every one
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She's removed the letter that she claims to have sent to the newspapers, GMC &c., (as well as removing all her posts at badscience) but the letter's still available in one of her posts on otherhealth: http://www.otherhealth.com/showthread.php?t=8982
 
Mojo said:
She's removed the letter that she claims to have sent to the newspapers, GMC &c., (as well as removing all her posts at badscience) but the letter's still available in one of her posts on otherhealth: http://www.otherhealth.com/showthread.php?t=8982
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Could she get any further up her own backside?

Somewhere in the CT forum someone said that CTers don't have any sense of humour. They attributed this to the fact that seeing the funny side of something requires being able to work out how things would normally relate, and then seeing the humour in the incongruous relationship made in the joke. Not actually being able to make any logical connections in the first place rather puts a crimp in all this.

I wonder if homoeopaths are in the same category? They certainly seem a very humourless bunch.

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
Somewhere in the CT forum someone said that CTers don't have any sense of humour. They attributed this to the fact that seeing the funny side of something requires being able to work out how things would normally relate, and then seeing the humour in the incongruous relationship made in the joke. Not actually being able to make any logical connections in the first place rather puts a crimp in all this.

I wonder if homoeopaths are in the same category? They certainly seem a very humourless bunch.
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In addition, humour relies on being able to spot what is real and what it fantasy, and this is another skill which they obviously lack.
 
"It's one thing not wanting to use Homeopathy, its another when certain people organise sustained attacks against our chosen field of work."

I personally do not burgle and have no plans to be a burglar, but I am also quite glad that burglary is illegal.

Ah, but the homs aren't deliberately causing harm. Hmm, I've seen some shoving their heads so far into the sand that someone needs to drag them out by their feet and there comes a point where such egregious evasion of the truth becomes a conscious act.

Even allowing them the defence of being innocent of deliberate wrong-doing, just because you're a well-meaning loon doesn't mean that society has to tolerate you exploiting the sick and the gullible. Isn't that properly a job of government?
 
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