Korey Rowe arrested for desertion

[Triterope]

He could be awarded punishment and ordered back to active service to fulfill his contract

Even when the deserter in question has been producing propaganda videos on behalf of the enemy?

I've never been in the military, but I don't think I'd want this guy in my unit. I'm not sure who's side he's on.

And I can't imagine a guy who produced a video that essentially absolves al-Qaeda of involvement in the 9-11 attacks, would be too well liked in a unit of soldiers fighting against al-Qaeda.

I defer to the opinion of those who know more about the subject than I, but forced re-enlistment does not seem wise in this case. If Vegas posted lines on this sort of thing, my money would be on confinement.

 

[Mince]

Top that off with the addition of a Bad Conduct Discharge. Not many people get very far in life with the "Big Chicken Dinner" hanging over their heads. It renders a person virtually unhireable with most employers.

Ah, yes. The Bravo Charlie Delta. Also, wave goodbye to all of your benefits, educational or otherwise. But really, was Rowe destined for higher education?

 

[flameowl]

I have never served, but I'd have a real problem if I was in the military in such a tenuous place as Iraq and had a known deserter in my unit. Who's to say that he wouldn't cut and run again in difficult times? I think that sending him to a war zone would be unduly punishing those who are already there who must, everyday, depend on their colleagues to pull them through dangerous situations.

Nah, putting a stain on his permanent record is punishment enough. Let's not hope for things that will, in the end, punish more than just him. He's deserving of contempt, inflicting that on those who are serving honourably isn't something I'd want to do.

 

[Vincent Vega]

I doubt he will serve any time

Most likley just an involuntary discharge. At most will reduce in rank.

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/7960

Here's a guy that deserted in 1999 and got picked up last year.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20061030/ai_n16810916

"My life was coming together, then out of nowhere, this happened," Martinez said.

Ooops!

 

[beachnut]

MSgt USAF retired, served 1973 to 1997. C-130 Flight Engineer. Panama, Bosnia, Haiti, Iraq, Horn of Africa and a bunch of places they didn't shoot at us.
On the original topic; If you're not willing to go to a war, don't join the military.

Robert Klaus

That is what my dad said, he was in Bastogne for Christmas 44. He said it in a way that made sense, but if you do not what to be shot at do not join the Military, you could end up in places you may not like with lots of people shooting at you. In 28 years in the AF, I was only shot at for a few weeks in 1991, by SCUDs, they broke our office windows out and I decided against a Frank Burns Purple Heart as I ran past the large pile of glass.

Your advice is excellent.

 

[VespaGuy]

He's fine. He'll be home safe and sound in a week or so.

Remember folks, if Dylan says something is going to happen, then it's definately going to happen.

Unless it's about Loose Change screenings at Parliament..

or Virgin Arilines...

or film festivals...

or The View...

or a huge announcement...

or,... well... you get the idea.

How many times has Dylan assured his band of truthers that something was definately happening, only to have it NOT definately happen? I can't view the LC forums - are those kids still buying everything he says even after he's let them down time and time again?

 

[pgwenthold]

Quick question: did the other folks involved with LC know Rowe had deserted? Or had he hidden it from them?

 

[Mince]

Forfeiture of all pay and allowances? Does that mean he has to pay everything he's ever earned from the Army back? Or does that mean just from the point of desertion (plus signup bonuses and stuff like that)?

He can lose any signing incentives he was given, if he's awarded a premature discharge. Essentially, he would not have fulfilled the contract upon which the incentives were based.

And as Unsecured Coins indicated above, forfieture of pay is for a term that starts immediately upon sentence until the end of the term. It does not necessarily have to be forfeiture of all pay. Forfeiture of all pay is usually reserved for those also getting a discharge. Otherwise, usually, 1/4 or 1/2 pay is assesed.

 

[Checkmite]

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20061030/ai_n16810916

Occasionally, the Army receives a tip about a deserter's location and sends a military police officer to pick up the person -- or calls the local police to do it, Sinclair said.

Wow, you don't say?

 

[T.A.M.]

Are you able to just up and tell your CO and what not that you want to leave? If so, how would one do so? I just assumed he deserted because that was the only way to get out short of doing something to get a dishonorable discharge etc...

Like I said, totally ignorant of the procedures or courses of action. My comments were more about the moral judgement made, than his available options.

TAM

 

[Vincent Vega]

No

Are you able to just up and tell your CO and what not that you want to leave? If so, how would one do so? I just assumed he deserted because that was the only way to get out short of doing something to get a dishonorable discharge etc...

Like I said, totally ignorant of the procedures or courses of action. My comments were more about the moral judgement made, than his available options.

TAM

You pretty much have to **** up. Which in most cases will violate your terms of enlistment, which will end up with a less than honorable discharge.

Even a CO (Conscientious Objector) status, which is very difficult to get, is not an automatic out of the service.

The ONLY way to end up with an honorable discharge is to faithfully execute your enlistment to termination date.

 

[jsiv]

Well they're not going to knock you unconscious and carry you onto the plane, like a scene out of the The A-Team.

At least not over here. Things may be different in the US, I suppose.

 

[Vincent Vega]

No

fkings stupid computer

 

[Vincent Vega]

Nope

Well they're not going to knock you unconscious and carry you onto the plane, like a scene out of the The A-Team.

At least not over here. Things may be different in the US, I suppose.

Bad luck to be arrested at all.

172 out of 3,000 deserters have been picked up.

 

[Hellbound]

Are you able to just up and tell your CO and what not that you want to leave? If so, how would one do so? I just assumed he deserted because that was the only way to get out short of doing something to get a dishonorable discharge etc...

Like I said, totally ignorant of the procedures or courses of action. My comments were more about the moral judgement made, than his available options.

TAM

You can be declared a "conscientous objecter" (spelling?). It's not an easy process, and I'm not sure of all the details, but basically this is a statement that says "I don't believe I can fight without compromising my bel.iefs/principals/whatever". Essentially, it's a formal way of telling your commanders that you cannot, in good conscious, participate in the combat or whatever. The circumstances and results of this vary. I've seen it done once (when we were deploying to Saudi for GW1), and I'm not sure exactly what happened. I believe the soldier was discharged, but I'm not sure.

I'm sure there's someone out there with more info on it. If not, I'll see about looking up the regs later at the Army Pub. site.

 

[Hellbound]

You pretty much have to **** up. Which in most cases will violate your terms of enlistment, which will end up with a less than honorable discharge.

The ONLY way to end up with an honorable discharge is to faithfully execute your enlistment to termination date.

While this used to be true, sadly, it is not any more.

Unless you murder someone, or commit multiple felonies, you're likely to get kicked out with a general discharge (even, for example, for selling marijuana out of your barracks room). In 6 months, you can request to have that reviewed and it turns into an honorable. They don't hand out too many bad conduct or dishonorable discharges, or even too many other than honorables.

The military is the place for job security. You can ◊◊◊◊ up more in the Army and keep your job than anywhere else I know. IMHO, it started when the Army started having recruitment trouble. Instead of offering better pay, better benefits, better conditions, and similar things, they lowered standards so they could get more people in. It's showing in the quality of people in the service now.

Course, that's just my opinion.

 

[jsiv]

Bad luck to be arrested at all.

172 out of 3,000 deserters have been picked up.

That may be the best way to avoid the consequences, but that was not my point.

My point was that if he truly felt the war was wrong, the honorable thing to do would have been to stand up for his convictions and faced whatever consequences it would bring, even a dishonorably discharge and imprisonment.

Running away, while the easiest thing to do, is a cowardly action.

 

[qarnos]

I would agree, without knowing much about the case at all, that if this arrest were for show, it would make sense to time it around the opening of LCFE.

Exactly. So why not time it around September 11, 2006? You know - when Final Cut was going to be released.

How about the other 50 times Final Cut was about to be released? Why didn't they do anything then?

Dylan has recently said he has no idea when it will be released, so even September 2007 seems unlikely at this point. There is no more reason to believe it will be released this time than any of the other times. I'd be surprised if they made a 2007 release at all; and now Dylan has the perfect reason excuse.

Dylan's latest attack against JREF over this issue has left little doubt in my mind that he knows 9/11 truth is all bunk. He's just playing his audience the best way he knows how (which, to be frank, is all too easy) to fuel their delusions and ensure they will shell out the $ to see Final Cut and get his career underway.

 

[Mince]

Even when the deserter in question has been producing propaganda videos on behalf of the enemy?

I've never been in the military, but I don't think I'd want this guy in my unit. I'm not sure who's side he's on.

And I can't imagine a guy who produced a video that essentially absolves al-Qaeda of involvement in the 9-11 attacks, would be too well liked in a unit of soldiers fighting against al-Qaeda.

I defer to the opinion of those who know more about the subject than I, but forced re-enlistment does not seem wise in this case. If Vegas posted lines on this sort of thing, my money would be on confinement.

I said he could be held over to fulfill the contract, not that he necessarily would be. As I said above, it will depend on the circumstances, one of which you've given here, to wit, the anti-establishment propaganda. But you also have to bear in mind the Army's manpower crisis. That might overrule any other consideration. He doesn't necessarily have to (and likely wouldn't) serve in a combat capacity if retained. A normal deserter would, but like you said, he has given the impression of anti-establishment and that, like you said, is a very precarious battlefield scenario.

Also, they wouldn't be forcing him to re-enlist. If he is a deserter, he obviously still had time on his contract. They would just "force" him to serve that time.

 

[Triterope]

But you also have to bear in mind the Army's manpower crisis. That might overrule any other consideration.

Man, the Army must really be hard up for recruits if they need to keep a guy like Korey Rowe. That's almost embarassing.

Also, they wouldn't be forcing him to re-enlist. If he is a deserter, he obviously still had time on his contract. They would just "force" him to serve that time.

Bad choice of words on my part. I understand the distinction.