The Viking Leif Ericson was a Christian Evangelist

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Well maybe that's why Mohammed was rated #1 on that list and Christ was rated #3 in influence. (Just kidding). Actually the author of that book said Christ would have been rated # 1 if more people actually followed the teachings of Christ in their everyday life. By the way Isaac Newton was rated #2.

Yea, the Jews (from which Christ came) knew all about slavery. They were slaves for hundreds of years in Egypt and Babylon.

Well for one it tells me that Christianity played a big role in the settling of the Western Hemisphere. And thus once again we have the tremendous influence of Christ and the Bible on Civilization.

From the book "What if Jesus had never been born" by D. James Kennedy and Jerry Newcombe:

"... Columbus saw his voyage as fulfillment of what Isaiah had prophesied about the heathen turning to the true God. About a decade after his expedition, he wrote:

It was the Lord who put into my mind (I could feel His hand upon me) to sail to the Indies. All who heard of my project rejected it with laughter, ridiculing me. There is no question that the inspiration was from the Holy Spirit, because He comforted me with rays of marvelous illumination from the Holy Scriptures... Our Lord Jesus Christ desired to perform a very obvious miracle in the voyage to the Indies."

The book goes on to say had Jesus never been born it is entirely possible we might never had come over to this continent.

No American public school student will ever learn what Columbus wrote above even though it is extremely important information.

I also think it is obvious that had Christ never been born the Pilgrim voyage never would of happened and the countless other Christians who came over to America for religion freedom probably never would of came. So it can be argued that Christianity was very important in the founding and settling of the Western Hemishpere.
Why are you discussing Columbus in a thread about Lief Erickson?

If you wish to comment on your overarching goal in presenting meaningless "facts", please do so in the thread created for such discussion.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88044

Sidenote, as gypsey pointed out, people were already living in the new world. And, I might add, christianity provided a moral blank check for Cortes, Francisco Pizzaro (among others).
 
so you are saying that if christ had never been born my fathers people would still be on their ancestral lands there would have been no trail of tears no small pox epidemic no being almost driven to extinction because we would have never been "discovered" and our lands "settled"

You thankless pagan, you.
 
"You could argue that Greenland is in North America."
No argument... Greenland IS part of North America....
 
Sorry to interrupt my own forum here, but there are a group of people whose MO is attack the messenger because they don't like the message. The above being a perfect example. They'll even go to other forums to do it. The above individual posted a similar message to the one above in at least 2 other forums so I'll just repeat the response I gave in the other forum.

Wouldn't the prudent thing to do be to respond to his points? Because, in general, when somebody makes idiotic posts and then another poster replies with a clear, concise lists of numbered ideas, and the original poster than attack the replier instead of the ideas, I think the OP is an idiot. But this is just a mental shortcut I have developed due to my many years of experience on the streets; feel free to prove me wrong.
 
Well, what do you expect from someone who can't tell the difference between a forum and a thread?:confused:

Perhaps it's just me, but if you're a christian evangelist wouldn't you seek out the shiny new country to, you know, evangelize? Not just looking for timber and fertile ground, or a quicker way to reach India and the profitable trading there.

Not that Leif and his followers didn't act like so many later christians: killing their neighbours, fighting among themselves.
 
Well, that's wrong.

The Western Hemisphere was not settled by Christians, though I understand the Mormons seem to believe otherwise. They're wrong, too.

I know you don't like Dr. James Kennedy but he said in 1776 about 98% of Americans of European decent were Protestant, about 1% Catholic, and about 1% Jewish. Sounds like the Northern Hemisphere was settled by Christians to me. This was from the audio tape "What if Christ had never been born".

Now I know your going to say, we already showed Kennedy lied and that whole routine. Yes he made a mistake about the date Jefferson's Mom died and maybe one or two other minor things, but on the whole I believe he's been accurate. I mean I wouldn't have been able to make 300+ posts in the Jefferson forum if he didn't give me a lot of ammunition.

Oh by the way that comment about the Rotunda earlier. I've already responded to that in the Jefferson forum. Jefferson did go to church in the House of Representatives. Whether it was the Rotunda or the House of Representatives next door is not the main issue. The main issue is that it was a Congressional building.
 
I know you don't like Dr. James Kennedy but he said in 1776 about 98% of Americans of European decent were Protestant, about 1% Catholic, and about 1% Jewish.

Lovely. And you know those figures are accurate because....?

Sounds like the Northern Hemisphere was settled by Christians to me.

Really? Doesn't sound that way to me. But then, I've actually done serious academic research in this field, and you have an audio recording by a preacher whose knowledge of history has found to be lacking.

Here's hint #1: North America was not settled in 1776.
Here's hint #2: The United States, much less the 13 colonies, is not synonymous with North America.

Do you get it yet?

North America was not settled by Christians.

Now I know your going to say, we already showed Kennedy lied and that whole routine. Yes he made a mistake about the date Jefferson's Mom died and maybe one or two other minor things, but on the whole I believe he's been accurate.

You can believe whatever you like. However, your belief does not fact make.

I mean I wouldn't have been able to make 300+ posts in the Jefferson forum if he didn't give me a lot of ammunition.

This is called a non sequitir. Your conclusion is not a logical conclusion from your premise.

Considering that 290+ of those posts are you repeating yourself, and the responses proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that you and Kennedy are both wrong, your conclusion is somewhat...skewed, shall we say.

Oh by the way that comment about the Rotunda earlier. I've already responded to that in the Jefferson forum. Jefferson did go to church in the House of Representatives. Whether it was the Rotunda or the House of Representatives next door is not the main issue. The main issue is that it was a Congressional building.

Translation: "I know I made a glaring historical error, but it doesn't matter!"

Yeah.
 
" What is so funny about that?"

I wouldn't figure that 11 people, 37 caribou, and a buncha seagulls would have much need for government.

(I also might NOT be being 100% serious....)
 
so you are saying that if christ had never been born my fathers people would still be on their ancestral lands there would have been no trail of tears no small pox epidemic no being almost driven to extinction because we would have never been "discovered" and our lands "settled"

If Christ had never been born I have a feeling there would have been constant wars between tribes, and maybe later somebody like Hitler, Napolean, or the atheist Russians would have come along and completely wiped out all of the Native Tribes with their modern weapons.

And actually I heard there was a epidemic in Massachusetts "before" the Pilgrims arrived that wiped out a lot of Native Americans and that Massachusetts was probably one of the safest places they could of landed on the East Coast.
 
I know you don't like Dr. James Kennedy but he said in 1776 about 98% of Americans of European decent were Protestant, about 1% Catholic, and about 1% Jewish. Sounds like the Northern Hemisphere was settled by Christians to me. This was from the audio tape "What if Christ had never been born".
What about 1400? or 1300? or 1200? or 1100? How many of the people living in north America at those times were christian?

How about this, Since the people to have come to north america did so ~20,000 years before christ was born, I'm guessing they weren't christian.
 
If Christ had never been born I have a feeling there would have been constant wars between tribes, and maybe later somebody like Hitler, Napolean, or the atheist Russians would have come along and completely wiped out all of the Native Tribes with their modern weapons.
:eye-poppi I now understand why you avoid answering my questions.

Please, you are talking off topic here. There is a thread made for you to discuss your overarching beliefs. I think this one is a good thing to "discuss".

Christian conquisitors Did wipe out entire tribes and empires. Doesn't this mean that christians are no better than "Hitler, Napolean, or the atheist Russians" and indeed christianity allows for such actions?
 
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And actually I heard there was a epidemic in Massachusetts "before" the Pilgrims arrived that wiped out a lot of Native Americans and that Massachusetts was probably one of the safest places they could of landed on the East Coast.

Indeed...and not just in Mass. Throughout North, Central and South America. Epidemics broght to this hemisphere by the Spanish and other Europeans.

So, by your logic, God essentially knocked off millions of native Americans (deeming them and their children unworthy of a chance of salvation, one wonders?) to make room for the "christians" to move into the essentially empty spaces.

BTW, your whole 98% quote is darn near stupid. First, beyond native Americas .. in both hemispheres...who survived the European brought epidemics, they still constituted a very large segment of the population of both continents.

As to how many of them were "Christian," there is certainly room for doubt, as natives often had to be forcibly converted (at least in Spanish territory). That aside, don't forget other people ...oh, like Slaves.

You know, those black people that Christian businessment kidnapped (admittedly with help of their fellows) from Africa and forcibly resettled here. Again, forced conversions....seems to me to go against the grain of your concept of "christianity" as a revealed faith...but heck, what do I know. In any event, there were enough black and Afro Americas here at the time of the founding of the nation that they had to be considered as less than human so that the South could be induced to sign-on to the Constitution.

Funny how Christians could count those Christians as less than human for the purposes of the vote, but fully Christian when it comes to phoney point about the European invation of the Western Hemisphere.

Hey, but it's DOC's religion, so what do I know.
 
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Originally Posted by gypsey
so you are saying that if christ had never been born my fathers people would still be on their ancestral lands there would have been no trail of tears no small pox epidemic no being almost driven to extinction because we would have never been "discovered" and our lands "settled"

You thankless pagan, you.

oooh that is so sweet of you :th:
 
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If Christ had never been born I have a feeling there would have been constant wars between tribes, and maybe later somebody like Hitler, Napolean, or the atheist Russians would have come along and completely wiped out all of the Native Tribes with their modern weapons.

And actually I heard there was a epidemic in Massachusetts "before" the Pilgrims arrived that wiped out a lot of Native Americans and that Massachusetts was probably one of the safest places they could of landed on the East Coast.

it's very obvious that your knowledge of native americans is sadly lacking and if your history lessons come from james kennedy i can certainly understand why
here is are a couple sites to help you learn of our people http://www.cherokee.org/home.aspx?section=culture&culture=history&cat=gV4q5zmQTuw=

http://cherokeehistory.com/index.html

as a nation the Tsalagi are complicated and what is tradition in one band will be different in another yet there are NO clans who would force another to their way unlike mr j kennedy
 
It's a thread, not a forum.

And anyone are free to post here. You don't get to choose who posts here.

Claus, seriously, don't bother. This guy is an idiot of the first water. We've been trying to teach him that exact point since his Thomas Jefferson thread in R&P. No matter how many times someone point this out to him, he just goes blithely on as if it never happened. I guess that it's another way that we're "attacking the messenger". If you wanted to list someone, here's a perfect candidate, he'll never, ever answer.
 
To Slingblade, If you don't like the forum than stay out, it's very simple. Maybe the fact that many of the first explorers from Europe were Christians tells us something. Even Columbus was heavy into the bible. I realize Columbus had his faults and did some bad things but we shouldn't ru away from history or ask that it be hidde somewhere.

As you ca see the 14th letter of the alphabet is ot workig o my keyboard. A-y advise out there. Also earlier whe I hit E-ter it would go to the -ext li-e & pri-t a letter p. Looks like I might be out for awhile. Ca- a virus do this.
If you do not like the forum, you leave - you add nothing here. Your words- on the rare occasion they have any point - are (kindness here) error ridden. Oh by the way, I do mean the forum - you meant the thread (another error).
Second, lots of people are Xtian - so what, lots of people voted for Bush - being in error can be excused - if it is not abused. You are abusing your error.
 
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