Time to kick Iran

[Matteo Martini]

Well, maybe the US grows up and starts to dig up their own s**** first before making it even worse by playing Police for the Middle East and the Nanny for Israel.

Agreed with that.
The first thing to do, would be to let an Islamic nation into the U.N.S.C. as permanent member.
Also, a policy about renewable energies which could descrease the U.S. dependency on oil, would also make the situation a lot better, since Iran would not have so much power,

Iran is no threat just because Israel is whining about them and the US plays the biased Nanny. It makes the situation even more complicated.

I would question that.
Iran can be a threat, as, if they get nuclear weapons, some guys in Iran are so mad, to think to actually use them.
But, the way to remove this threat, is a cohoperation between all the countries of the world, in order to eliminate nuclear weapons, not just in Iran.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

...and I should add: That's the main reason why 9/11 happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Shaikh_Mohammed
"the al-Qaida leader wanted to punish the United States for supporting Israel"

Ron Paul was absolutely right: "Blowback"

Oliver, as someone who does not really like the policies of the state of Israel, I'd ask you to go back and read your response again.

Even you must admit that Ron Paul was awful and vague on what this 'Blowback' was, saying in that annoying voice of his 'well we were bombing Iraq for 10 years'.

Oliver, not everything is caused by the big bad USA. Bin Laden is actually unconcerned with the US, as Israel is his true aim.

You will notice the Jahaliyaa Americans supporting the Kuffar of Israel was not something Ron Paul wanted to talk about.

 

[Oliver]

Hi

I lived in West Berlin for three years, as a boy. My father and mother had German friends, two families, with whom we still correspond, whose had cousins on the other side of the wall, and in the DDR.

You? I am stunned, Oliver, and dare I say, shocked.

Useful idiots who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it.

It's your own country, Oliver, you country, Germany, my third favorite country on the planet earth (behind US and UK) that was cut in two. Was the evil, imperialist US the problem there, Oliver?

Did the US BUILD THE FREAKING WALL IN 1961?

Did the US SHOOT ANY ONE TRYING TO GET OVER THE WALL?

Even more importantly, Oliver, did the West join the East, or did the East join the West on reunification? Which way did Freedom flow, Oliver, and who backed it up?

Moron.

DR

You don't understand:

There never was a "Communism Phobia" in Germany during the "Wall Era", EVEN IF the communists where directly in our Backyard.

Now you also know what I mean concerning "Communists Phobia":

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I AGREE

The same type of Propaganda is responsible for Americas way of seeing the world, no matter if Castro, Russians, Iran, Iraq, France or whatever.

Whatever Americas Government next enemy will be, you will swallow it because the Media fails to have an own opinion - which leads me to the suspicion that there is some kind of symbiosis between Politics and Media.

Take your time to grasp what I just said. "Idiot!" is no answer.

 

[Oliver]

Oliver, as someone who does not really like the policies of the state of Israel, I'd ask you to go back and read your response again.

Even you must admit that Ron Paul was awful and vague on what this 'Blowback' was, saying in that annoying voice of his 'well we were bombing Iraq for 10 years'.

Oliver, not everything is caused by the big bad USA. Bin Laden is actually unconcerned with the US, as Israel is his true aim.

You will notice the Jahaliyaa Americans supporting the Kuffar of Israel was not something Ron Paul wanted to talk about.

"Vague". Yep, he pointed out that his conclusion is based on the "9/11 commission report".
It's a vague document, isn't it?

But kidding aside. Iran is no threat. And your point is...?

 

[Oliver]

Bin Laden is actually unconcerned with the US, as Israel is his true aim.

So what's your explanation for 9/11 then? Why attack America?

 

[Matteo Martini]

But kidding aside. Iran is no threat

Well, why do they have that nuclear program on, in first place?
They have an ocean of oil under their feet, why do they need nuclear power?

 

[Oliver]

Well, why do they have that nuclear program on, in first place?
They have an ocean of oil under their feet, why do they need nuclear power?

1. Because: "The Iranian nuclear program was launched in the 1950s with the help of the United States. "

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran

2a. Why they want to have nuclear Power? Because Israel is allowed to have it, too.

2b. Because they have an ocean of oil under their feet.

So let me ask: Why isn't Iran allowed to have nuclear power today?
And who decides about that - foreigners from the other side of the world?
...because they prefer to help one side and at the same time, kick the other side?

As I said: The single-sided Hypocrites in here feel okay with that.

 

[Darth Rotor]

You don't understand:

There never was a "Communism Phobia" in Germany during the "Wall Era", EVEN IF the communists where directly in our Backyard.

Take your time to grasp what I just said. "Idiot!" is no answer.

No, you don't seem to understand. I never said there was a Communism phobia, you did, you again try to move the goal posts, and to serve red herring with your *******wurst, so your idiotic reply is completely irrelevant.

Try this again: in which part of a divided Germany were Germans free, and in which part of divided Germany were Germans fenced in? Which way did the brain drain flow? Which way did people try to escape, to flee, from tyranny into a free society? Which free society took the other society in? Who propped up that free society, the form that predominated when the Wall fell?

How many people were shot by the West German police for fleeing the FDR for the DDR? How many people were shot by the Volkspolizei when trying to flee the DDR for the FDR? I recall, vividly, two cases when I lived in West Berlin, and I was a kid at the time.

How old were you when Chancellor Kohl committed billions of Deutschmarks for the re integration of the DDR with the FDR?

DR

Darth,

You will refrain from violations of rule 8 in ANY language.

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[Oliver]

No, you don't seem to understand. I never said there was a Communism phobia, you did, you again try to move the goal posts, and to serve red herring with your scheisswurst, so your idiotic reply is completely irrelevant.

Try this again: in which part of a divided Germany were Germans free, and in which part of divided Germany were Germans fenced in? Which way did the brain drain flow? Which way did people try to escape, to flee, from tyranny into a free society? Which free society took the other society in? Who propped up that free society, the form that predominated when the Wall fell?

How many people were shot by the West German police for fleeing the FDR for the DDR? How many people were shot by the Volkspolizei when trying to flee the DDR for the FDR? I recall, vividly, two cases when I lived in West Berlin, and I was a kid at the time.

How old were you when Chancellor Kohl committed billions of Deutschmarks for the re integration of the DDR with the FDR?

DR

1. BRD = Free / DDR = Trapped
2. 125

In einer am 8. August 2006 veröffentlichen Zwischenbilanz[5] wurde dargelegt, dass von 268 untersuchten Fällen bisher 125 Mauertote eindeutig belegt werden konnten, während 62 Fälle, die auf verschiedenen Opferlisten auftauchen, als Maueropfer eindeutig ausgeschlossen werden konnten. 81 Fälle müssten noch genauer untersucht werden.

Source: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berliner_Mauer#Maueropfer

3. 16

 

[Darth Rotor]

No, you don't seem to understand. I never said there was a Communism phobia, you did, you again try to move the goal posts, and to serve red herring with your *******wurst, so your idiotic reply is completely irrelevant.

Try this again: in which part of a divided Germany were Germans free, and in which part of divided Germany were Germans fenced in? Which way did the brain drain flow? Which way did people try to escape, to flee, from tyranny into a free society? Which free society took the other society in? Who propped up that free society, the form that predominated when the Wall fell?

How many people were shot by the West German police for fleeing the FDR for the DDR? How many people were shot by the Volkspolizei when trying to flee the DDR for the FDR? I recall, vividly, two cases when I lived in West Berlin, and I was a kid at the time.

How old were you when Chancellor Kohl committed billions of Deutschmarks for the re integration of the DDR with the FDR?

DR

Darth,

You will refrain from violations of rule 8 in ANY language.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: jmercer

Just a note to add - you are being warned because you are being abusive.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Darat

I see. I can't use "bloody" anymore as an adjective, right?

Is arse off the table? Bum?

I also wonder: did you not get the pun? Weisswurst (common meal in Germany, and wonderful with a pilsner) rhymes with scheiswurst, with sausage metaphor and Oliver=filled with crap fitting, IMO, very nicely.

Luke T put his finger on it, so please, pat yourself on the back.

DR

 

[Oliver]

I see. I can't use "bloody" anymore as an adjective, right?

Is arse off the table? Bum?

I also wonder: did you not get the pun? Weisswurst (common meal in Germany, and wonderful with a pilsner) rhymes with scheiswurst, with sausage metaphor and Oliver=filled with crap fitting, IMO, very nicely.

Luke T put his finger on it, so please, pat yourself on the back.

DR

Why are you annoyed? I guess it's because you're running out of Arguments...
...but this is just a discussion board. Lean back and relax.

 

[Oliver]

I see. I can't use "bloody" anymore as an adjective, right?

Is arse off the table? Bum?

I also wonder: did you not get the pun? Weisswurst (common meal in Germany, and wonderful with a pilsner) rhymes with scheiswurst, with sausage metaphor and Oliver=filled with crap fitting, IMO, very nicely.

Luke T put his finger on it, so please, pat yourself on the back.

DR

It may not be the right time or place, but congratulations to Post Number 10,000!

 

[Darth Rotor]

It may not be the right time or place, but congratulations to Post Number 10,000!

Danke.

All that means is that my self restraint sucks harder than a Hoover on a leather couch.

DR

 

[Matteo Martini]

1. Because: "The Iranian nuclear program was launched in the 1950s with the help of the United States. "

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran

The same nation who gave the guns to Saddam, during the war with Iran, and then, made a war against Saddam.

2a. Why they want to have nuclear Power? Because Israel is allowed to have it, too.

a) does not mean that any country on earth should have nukes;
b) Israel, so far, has not used, and had no plan to use nukes against any nation. Will Iran also behave the same? ( question mark )

2b. Because they have an ocean of oil under their feet.

So let me ask: Why isn't Iran allowed to have nuclear power today?

Everybody is scared that they are planning to make the bomb.
As, some guy may ask why, they are getting involved in so many problems, for a nuclear program, for pacific use, as they say, that they would not really need..

And who decides about that - foreigners from the other side of the world?

The UNSC

...because they prefer to help one side and at the same time, kick the other side?

As I said, Isreal can be wrong and evil on many sides, but has never attacked any nation with nukes, and it is not a threat to Iran.
Come on, Israel has the 4th army of the world, if they wanted to, they could go, and solve their problem with Iran and Syria in just one day, bombing them all over the place.
They are not doing that..

As I said: The single-sided Hypocrites in here feel okay with that.

Be a good guy, Oliver..

 

[Matteo Martini]

Double post

 

[Oliver]

The same nation who gave the guns to Saddam, during the war with Iran, and then, made a war against Saddam.

Funny, isn't it? It's like the cops putting Marijuana into your pocket and then send you straightway to prison.

a) does not mean that any country on earth should have nukes;
b) Israel, so far, has not used, and had no plan to use nukes against any nation. Will Iran also behave the same? ( question mark )

a. I agree. Especially the ones with thousands of them.
b. Iran also did not use them and don't have a plan to do so.
c. America did use Nuclear Weapons to wipe out civilians. Shouldn't someone disarm them?

Everybody is scared that they are planning to make the bomb.
As, some guy may ask why, they are getting involved in so many problems, for a nuclear program, for pacific use, as they say, that they would not really need..

I'm not scared. I'm more scared about Israel and their "nervous military fingers".
Well, I'm for equality for all nations regarding this question. If the US is pissed because Nuclear Weapons, they should trash theirs first. Not the other way around. Keep their own and trash everyones else who doesn't agree with the Bully.

The UNSC

Not really. The US doesn't care about UNSC if they want to destroy someones WMD's. See my reply in your Iraq thread.

As I said, Isreal can be wrong and evil on many sides, but has never attacked any nation with nukes, and it is not a threat to Iran.
Come on, Israel has the 4th army of the world, if they wanted to, they could go, and solve their problem with Iran and Syria in just one day, bombing them all over the place.
They are not doing that..

I know. And they're not doing it for the same reason Iran wouldn't do it.

Be a good guy, Oliver..

See my custom title above my Avatar.

 

[Oliver]

But he does pose a real threat to Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan and the Kurds (at least).

Firstly, we have explained his connections to Hezbollah and Hamas.

Secondly, I have shown you the hate filled material Iran openly sells in Germany. You know that there is a reason why that material was made illegal in Germany, you know where that sort of rhetoric leads.

Unless you can accept that he does pose a real threat, I am not sure that there is much anyone can say to you.

Well, the Kurds have a reason to be concerned, I agree. But the United States? Come on - for what reason if not Israel?

Yes, I believe you that they tried to sell hate-filled material in Germany. So what? Is Germany now a threat? Did this have an impact at all? I highly doubt that. Ergo - no threat.

Yes, the connections to Hezbollah and Hamas are a problem. And I pointed out what the US does and did in Iran - which is in the same way shameful and wrong. So what is your reply to that? Hamas and Hesbollah are wronger than the wrong US-Interventions?

 

[Oliver]

You're an idiot. We were talking about people living in the eastern bloc. I would repost all the posts and tell you to read slooooowly, but last time I did that, you ignored the post and left the thread shortly after. You said the system was a lie. I said they were openly not permitted to leave, thus no lie was required. I asked you what was the lie you speak of. You have no idea and post babble.

Start a new thread about it or explain the connection to this thread. Or at least review what the "eastern bloc" question was about - you will notice that I answered the question a long time ago.

 

[Devil's Advocate]

Someone criticizes the US: "America-Hater"
Someone criticizes Israel: "Antisemitic"
Someone criticizes the War: "Liberal"
Someone criticizes the Media: "Truther"
Someone defends an "Enemy": "Your boy".

All true.

 

[Matteo Martini]

Funny, isn't it? It's like the cops putting Marijuana into your pocket and then send you straightway to prison.

I am not like Saddam!!
The American gave Saddam the guns, but it was him who used the guns, uh?

a. I agree. Especially the ones with thousands of them.

U.S. and Russia, soon China, I fear..

b. Iran also did not use them and don't have a plan to do so.

I some how still trust more the U.S. that the president of a country, where you have no so much free speech, where the movie director of a porno movie can be sent to death..

c. America did use Nuclear Weapons to wipe out civilians. Shouldn't someone disarm them?

That was long time ago..

I'm not scared. I'm more scared about Israel and their "nervous military fingers".

They will neve nuke Iran, come on..

Well, I'm for equality for all nations regarding this question. If the US is pissed because Nuclear Weapons, they should trash theirs first.

Not so easy.
They can not survive without oil.
Europe and Japan also can not survive without oil.
What if Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia with Kuwait, make a cartel, and start to sell oil five time the current price?
The economy of the West will be over.

Not really. The US doesn't care about UNSC if they want to destroy someones WMD's. See my reply in your Iraq thread.

They do not care about the UNSC even if they know that someone does not have WMD..

I know. And they're not doing it for the same reason Iran wouldn't do it.

Again, I would trust more Isreal than Iran.
For the simple fact, that Israel has probably much more to lose than Iran from a serious war.

See my custom title above my Avatar.

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