The 9/11 Conspiracy Facts

[BillyRayValentine]

He is a very humble seemign individual, who has no desire to scream this event from the rooftops. It was burning a hole in him, and so he had to come out and say something. He has no inclination to travel the world and spread his story. Were he doing such, you would be stating that he was profiteering off his "lies", so this just illustrates that yu have no regard for the truth iether way.

Here's the more likely story.

He became a truther, drank too much of the kool-aid and decided he'd further the cause by by spinning his little yarn. There probably was some kind of planned systems disruption on his floor, so why not goose it a bit and call it full-scale "power-down" (sounds catchy). And what the hell, why not say it applied to 50 floors for 36 hours. (As quoted from his first public comment, by the way. The 26 hour time-frame came from a later "version".) And hell, why not mention unlocked doors (wrong), disabled security cameras (wrong) and ominous "engineers" coming and going (oooooh, scaaaarrry).

Problem was, he failed to anticipate the crap storm that followed. In his zeal to support the cause, he didn't consider that his claims would be put under the microscope to such an extent. Now he's left to suffer in silence (unless among delusional truther friends) and take his medicine. There is no viable defense for his claims, so he flies below the radar as best he can.

I have no doubt he rues the day that he ever opened his mouth. I also have no doubt that this experience has made him a very humble man - I would certainly hope so.

 

[nicepants]

1 - Who are "the most reputable journalists in the US", and how is this determined?

1. By repute

So who made this determination....you?

 

[Belz...]

Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower.

No it isn't! I mean, it's exactly how things work in Hollywood movies, so it must also be how things work in the real world too!

Indeed. And we all know, if you shoot the electronic locking device with a gun or laser, the door magically opens.

 

[Belz...]

I was in a meeting yesterday where a Chinese colleague of mine was getting extremely unhappy about a situation where he was inferring a slur on the manufacturing ability of a Chinese company that he is dealing with very closely. There was no such slur intended, but he felt so sensitive on the issue that he found it very difficult to keep calm and discuss the problem dispassionately. I considered (not seriously) telling him that his arguments were falling apart like a Chinese motorbike, but I suspect he'd have stormed out of the room and then initiated a disciplinary complaint against me for racial harrassment. And if I'd said it, and he'd raised the complaint, I'd have had no defence, because he'd have been right.

He wouldn't have been right. Tell him to toughen up.

 

[Belz...]

Let's be more accurate. Of the 10,000 no one has come out and stated that this happened. Not one of them has come out and said that it didnt.

It's a good thing, then, that the burden's on the claimant.

The fact is that the power down is an oddity.

In the sense that it didn't happen ?

Errr... since that post contains little or no substance, there is nothing I can say to that

And since you answer that to about one in every two posts, you're quite safe.

He is a very humble seemign individual, who has no desire to scream this event from the rooftops.

How do you know ?

They are non existent in your eyes, the eyes of someone who wasnt there.

So, let's look at those who were there.

Yes, amongst who only HE claims this.

Oh dear, where did I say that in my OP, what utter garbage.

The thread will be better off without you, adieu.

"Waaahhh! WAaaaahh!"

 

[BillyRayValentine]

He sees it as evidence that might lead to such, which is different to proof. This should not be hard to understand.

He didn't say "might" anything. He said he was "immediately convinced".

You are irrational.

 

[BillyRayValentine]

Since when has there been a stereotype of Chinese incompetence?

Stop embarrassing yourself.

I could equallu say that the Sri Lankan comment illustrates a stereotype of physical ineptness amongst Sri Lankans.

Sri Lankans could tend to be poor swimmers because of a culteral aversion to swimming, because of an ethnic predisposal to allergic reactions from water-borne bacteria, or for any number of reasons. The notion that the statement "Sri lankans are bad swimmers" necessarily implies physical ineptness is a product of inept thinking.

 

[BillyRayValentine]

I dont know what your comment has to do with anything, but have you ever seen the Simpsons episode with Larry Burns, Mr Burns's son? There, at least you will see the phrase being mentioned, possibly the first time in history that a "racist" comment on a family show has elicited zero uproar.

You don't have a very keen eye for satire. Do you even know what it is?

 

[nicepants]

You don't have a very keen eye for satire. Do you even know what it is?

BRV - Truthers have a hard time with satire, similes, idioms or any type of figurative language or allegory. This effect is most pronounced when the correct interpretation of same would render the truther's pre-conceived ideas or claims incorrect.

 

[Belz...]

Which is why they seem to not realise that movies are not reality.

 

[lapman]

He sees it as evidence that might lead to such, which is different to proof. This should not be hard to understand.

Just because he sees it at evidence doesn't make it so.

Incidentally, why do you think he would lie about this? What has he gained from doing so, other than your slander?

I'd say a trip to London is a pretty good gain. Ask him how much he is paid to speak at these functions.

So, let's look at those who were there. Now there is something very simple that would determine whether he is lying or not- were he to have been lying, and thus implying that the US gov blew up the TTs and killed 3000 people, he would have been fired immediately. Or, at the very least, he would have been publicly dressed down by FT. Why hasnt he?

If he still does his job effectively, there would be no reason to fire him. As a matter of fact, if they did fire him just because of what he is saying, that would be grounds for a lawsuit. So that whole line of reasoning is baseless.

 

[JonnyFive]

good call... respond to a 4 paragraph repsonse with a 2 sentence statement.

I am in awe of you.

That's nothing. Mjd1982 can respond to the longest and most well-composed posts with two simple words that magically refute everything anyone says:

"As above."

Bow before the master, b**ches!

 

[Unsecured Coins]

I was actually applauding mjd for his awesome 2 sentence rebuff!! It takes god-like skills to destroy a statement like that in 10 seconds or less. I do find it applause worthy that he can go down a line of repsonses and post well thought out replies to them in less time than it took to read them collectively

 

[tsig]

Ok good, so if someone were to state that "All Sri Lankans are bad swimmers", you would call that person a "racist"?

If this is true, then you are a quite ridiculous human being, I'm sorry to say. Puerile and facile, to be more accurate. Think about why this is so, and then get back to me.

Hey I may be young but I ain't easy.

 

[tsig]

Is he saying that all the power from the 50th floor up was isolated?

Does this mean that the lift had no power? Or does the lift power come from below?

Does this mean there was no power at all at the observation deck that weekend during this 26/36 hr power down?

That may surprise my friends who went up the Twin Towers that very saturday using their Citypass ticket?

There would also be security cameras and locks below the 50 floor level so these engineers could not enter the buidding unoticed or not recorded (or even enter without being searched by security as I was)

I went up the tower in the July before the attacks and often wonder what happened to the lazy security guy who sat on his chair as we went up to the roof, the loud voiced woman who was shouting out the souveneir photo numbers at the top deck, the camera guy who took the photos and the lift operator people who herded you in like cattle for your trip to the top.

This tower was open 365, 9 till late for tourists and i think they would have noticed if they could not get to the top, or there was no power when they got there, or were refused entry to the top deck due to "ongoing work"

Scott is at the least mistaken about the extent of the power isolation and more probably a liar.

My friends would have no fear verifying his story, if indeed true, as they are not US citizens

Also none of this ascertains why the same was not carried out in the other tower?

before posting on this site (i was shown to it by stundie no less) i read through this thread from start to finish and to start with thought that mjd1982 was a quite bright chap and slightly different than your average fable guy, how wrong was i?

the fact that initially he seems intelligent and lucid makes it all the more scary that he believes stories like the power down and that they prove anything

two scenarios for me here:-

1. real fable guy with same MO as all the rest just using finer language skills

2. total windup merchant

Welcome to JREF.

Love "windup merchant"

I will put i next to "concern troll"

I too have been coming to the conclusion that many of the trolls just like to poke sticks.

 

[tsig]

Yes it is easier to cover your ears than listen to painful truths sometimes.

I hear the sound of wind whispering thru an empty mind.

 

[tsig]

Good. So you base your assertion on the fact that were it true, Scott would merely need to take on a multi billion dollar corporation in court, in an effort to illustrate that the government was probably behind 911. I think you must be living on the moon. If he has made such suggestions and they are false, he would be fired by FT in a shot for bringing the firm into serious disrepute. So tell me why he hasnt.

has scott been fired?

 

[nicepants]

If he has made such suggestions and they are false, he would be fired by FT in a shot for bringing the firm into serious disrepute. So tell me why he hasnt.

So he would be fired if the statements were false? .....kind of like Kevin Ryan?

 

[mjd1982]

So he doesn't travel the world telling his story, but you met him in London where he told his story? Am I missing something? Does he live there now?

And on your point about him not having any problems for telling his story, I would suggest that kind of ruins your arguments about why nobody else has mentioned it.

He does live here now.

He does get problems for mentioning his story,as I have stated lots of times, He just hasnt been fired.

 

[mjd1982]

So it was a Simpsons quote and not a common turn of phrase. No doubt a Monty Burns line. One of the most evil fictional characters ever and you think that he wouldn't say anything racist?

You also appear to be ignorant of the work of Archie Bunker, Alf Garnett and Eddie Booth.

Dont assume my friend, it was Larry Burns, his lovable son. Tell me why that comment didnt elicit a furore please.