The 9/11 Conspiracy Facts

Well, it is the plan for a new CENTURY



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Absent a debilitating injury, my retirement is 20 years away.

Becoming injured would make my retirement sooner, doesn't make it any easier. You're reading words into it that aren't there.

The PNAC isn't a short-term plan, it's a long-term one. You're spending so much time trying to read between the lines, you're missing the title page.
Yes, and US control of Iraqi oil, Caspian gas, militarisation of space, cyberspace as a defense tool, global posture review etc will ensure US hegenmony throughout this century, in the eyes of PNAC at least. This is the founding premise of the document, you do know at least that, right??

Re your quicker=easier comment, I have told you that it applies in this context. I have given you an example of such. You have chosen to parrot your prior evasion. So, being polite, I will ask you again. Address the context that I have kindly outlined for you.
 
The question is, which of these many characteristics are pertinent to the analogy between 9/11 and PH. The answer is very simple, since it is given in the doc: #1 catastrophic, #2 catalysing(militarily).

Once. It is talked about one time, where it didn't even need to be mentioned to begin with if they knew it was going to happen, and shouldn't have been mentioned if they didn't want any evidence against them. It is simply saying that what they are trying to do would have to drastically be changed should another country try a Pearl Harbor like event. Their plan was not based on that, seeing as it was the alternative (unless...) so then it was not propitious.

Indeed, strictly speaking, to say that what they were talking about was a new PH, is not completely accurate, since the term "new PH" is used in a comparative clause. The direct clause is "a catastrophic and catalysing event".

Hence the analogy between 911 and PH is valid, and to dispute such would be brainless.

I think this is quite simple.

Unfortunately it is not. See above.

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And the latter:

the aim of this section is, as has been stated many times, simply to show that a new PH was propitious to policy for PNAC/The Bush Admin. One person has admitted so, but that is all so far.

It wasn't, since you can see where they have ended up since then. Stuck in a country that is full of suicide bombers with every other country hating us, sick of us "policing the world" and attacking whoever whenever.

a) The aim of PNAC is to militraily create a platform that will project US hegemony and make the 21st Century the American Century. Thus, it is logical that they would want this platform to be created soon, so they could actively project US hegemony and create an American 21st Century, rather than wait, have it potentially jeopardised by other elements.

It is called laying a foundation. Just because the foundation is made very quickly does not mean it was made correctly. As you can see by today the foundation doesn't seem to be holding up very well.

b) The fact that the QDR was in Oct 2001, and the elements upon which it was to be based would have to be crystalised in decision makers minds by then; i.e. early, rather than late.

QDR?

c) A revolutionary change in the geo-political landscape, creating, in the eyes of the authors,
stability No,
peace No,
security No and
democracy Alright 1 for 4 even though that is one country so far
for the world, is preferable, certainly to power hungry politicians, sooner, rather than later. If anyone is going to argue why this is not the case, I will be very interested to read it.

Well since I doubt Iraq will be stable any time soon, that hurts your argument to begin with. So like just about everyone says, this is all inference, that really doesn't prove anything.

Its like saying that when my wife dies I will be able to get all of her money. Lets just say it is a lot. She will be dying in a few years most likely, but if she somehow died soon then I would get it sooner rather than later.

My wife dies the next month.

So it was propitious for me to kill her, correct? It is only an inference.
 
So for the moment, you are deeming that the PNAC doc is not a fact. This is fine, it is what is to be expected of your ilk.
Ok, Dylan...

Quick question though, do you think using big words and calling people who think alike an "ilk" makes you somewhat better than us?


Further, you are implying that inference is inadmissible to debate. Since this is not something that any serious adult would ever state, we can all conclude that you, and anyone who agrees with you, is not a serious adult.
Iference on a debate of FACTS is not admissible. "This is how I take this (whatever) even though it does not state such" will fly like a lead balloon.
 
Ok, Dylan...

Quick question though, do you think using big words and calling people who think alike an "ilk" makes you somewhat better than us?



Iference on a debate of FACTS is not admissible. "This is how I take this (whatever) even though it does not state such" will fly like a lead balloon.

This thread is 53 pages long. I think it is safe to say that mjd1682 thinks he is superior to everyone here. Let him think it, it makes him feel better about himself.

TAM:)
 
So, being polite, I will ask you again. Address the context that I have kindly outlined for you.
And by this you really mean "address the strawman I have set up for you".

Sorry, fish ain't bitin'.

Will you ever get to the "conspiracy facts" you promised?
 
This thread is 53 pages long. I think it is safe to say that mjd1682 thinks he is superior to everyone here. Let him think it, it makes him feel better about himself.

TAM:)

You mean your group intimidation tactics haven't worked on him so you are giving up. Chalk that up as a win MJD.
 
Brackets and bolding mine:



As nicepants noted on another forum, by using the phrase (idiom? Inside joke) "with great probability" they leave the door wide open to other possibilities.



:D I found myself in that situation years ago when my dad overheard me telling a friend on the phone how the previous night I'd stumbled (figuratively) into a lesbian bar and what a great time I had.

Next thing I knew I found myself having that very same conversation with my parents.


Heres the original quote, I assume its German

"Nach meiner Meinung ist das Gebäude WTC 7 mit grosser Wahrscheinlichkeit fachgerecht gesprengt worden», sagt Hugo Bachmann, emeritierter ETH-Professor für Baustatik und Konstruktion. Und auch Jörg Schneider, ebenfalls emeritierter ETH-Professor für Baustatik und Konstruktion, deutet die wenigen vorhandenen Videoaufnahmen als Hinweise, dass «das Gebäude WTC 7 mit grosser Wahrscheinlichkeit gesprengt wurde. "
 
You mean your group intimidation tactics haven't worked on him so you are giving up. Chalk that up as a win MJD.

No Rev, I just find trying to convert the clinically insane to rational thought an exercise in futility.

Do not worry, as long as you remain sane, and don't start referring to yourself in the third person, we'll keep after you.

TAM;)
 
This Forum misbehaves from time to time, doesnt it....damn double posts!!!

TAM;)
 
No Rev, I just find trying to convert the clinically insane to rational thought an exercise in futility.

Do not worry, as long as you remain sane, and don't start referring to yourself in the third person, we'll keep after you.

TAM;)

There is further proof of MJDs victory. You have to resort to petty insults like calling him insane.
 
There is further proof of MJDs victory. You have to resort to petty insults like calling him insane.

If you will notice, and go through the thread, I have barely posted here, and have not argued with Mr. Photon, nor discussed with him any of his points. Given I am not part of the argument, anything I say has little to do with his victory or defeat, but if it makes you feel better Rev, you can get out of your armchair, do a high five with your truther buddies and declare a victory...nobody here really cares...honestly.

TAM:)
 
Once. It is talked about one time, where it didn't even need to be mentioned to begin with if they knew it was going to happen, and shouldn't have been mentioned if they didn't want any evidence against them.

when did I say they didnt know it was going to happen? When did i say that this was the plan?

It is simply saying that what they are trying to do would have to drastically be changed should another country try a Pearl Harbor like event. Their plan was not based on that, seeing as it was the alternative (unless...) so then it was not propitious.

It is stating, as I have argued, that a new PH would make the transformation quicker, since hindrances and mass overhauls would able to be swept to the side. To argue the contrary is to argue that no, they wanted a long, drawn out, tortuous process of transformation. Please tell me why they would want this.

It wasn't, since you can see where they have ended up since then. Stuck in a country that is full of suicide bombers with every other country hating us, sick of us "policing the world" and attacking whoever whenever.

That is a question of their execution of the policy, not their design of that policy itself. This, as well as the point about propitiousness, is one taht I have been at pains to demonstrate to you guys since #1, but since it is not standard CT rhetoric, you guys seem incapable of getting your head round it. Please stop, think, and understand my 2 points here, please.

It is called laying a foundation. Just because the foundation is made very quickly does not mean it was made correctly. As you can see by today the foundation doesn't seem to be holding up very well.

Another perfect illustration of design vs execuction.


I'm sorry Garb; I do appreciate your attempts to address #493; you are far more gallant and honest than your peers if you debate this thru to an honest conclusion. However, I must say that if you do not know what a QDR is, you should not be debating the PNAC doc, since it is one of its founding premises.

Well since I doubt Iraq will be stable any time soon, that hurts your argument to begin with. So like just about everyone says, this is all inference, that really doesn't prove anything.

Again, design vs execution. This is the most important thing for you guys to understand, and luckily it is not hard.

Its like saying that when my wife dies I will be able to get all of her money. Lets just say it is a lot. She will be dying in a few years most likely, but if she somehow died soon then I would get it sooner rather than later.

My wife dies the next month.

So it was propitious for me to kill her, correct? It is only an inference.

Ok, let's make this a bit more accurate. If the death of your wife will give you money that will ensure the stability and persistance, and prsoperousness of all else that you hold dear; and if you are more, far more wedded to these things than you are to your wife going on living, and if you state publicy that the death of your wife would cause the rest of your life to be a million times better, than it can be deemed that you state the death of your wife would be propitious. This woudl then give the investigators a good framework to analyse the rest of your behaviours surrounding your wife's death. Nothing else; and nothing else am I calling for.
 
Ok, Dylan...

Quick question though, do you think using big words and calling people who think alike an "ilk" makes you somewhat better than us?



Iference on a debate of FACTS is not admissible. "This is how I take this (whatever) even though it does not state such" will fly like a lead balloon.
Good. So we have one person who states that inference is inadmissible to debate, and hence is not prepared to debate like an adult. Anyone else care to join his rank?
 
If you will notice, and go through the thread, I have barely posted here, and have not argued with Mr. Photon, nor discussed with him any of his points. Given I am not part of the argument, anything I say has little to do with his victory or defeat, but if it makes you feel better Rev, you can get out of your armchair, do a high five with your truther buddies and declare a victory...nobody here really cares...honestly.

TAM:)
You mean you havent posted here since you stopped posting implying that people shouldnt post on this thread (which you started on p1).

And you question the psychological stability of others?
 
Good. So we have one person who states that inference is inadmissible to debate, and hence is not prepared to debate like an adult. Anyone else care to join his rank?


Oh wow... look at him go. This is akin to me looking at your 50 some odd page long thread still going on about what PNAC meant and making a educated guess on your genitalia size.

The fact is, junio, you're trying to argue your opinion more than you are actual facts. Even us old grown up adult people can see that.
 

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