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Forcefeild Thermate, Remote Controlled planes and LCFC predictions

Revolutionary91 said:
I have 3 people on ignore. One told me to go $%^& myself, another kept calling me junior and the third was put on ignore because of his gloating about putting other people on ignore.
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Right, whatever buddy. It also just so happens that the guy who harmlessly called you "junior" had a point that you dodged.

Now tell me what you feel I have wrong or you will join them.
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I told you once. However, seeing as you must be incapable of comprehending my above post for some odd reason, I'll say it again.

Please stop with the pathetic, childish games. I am not allowing you to derail yet another thread. We will discuss the several things you are wrong about in their appropriate threads.

Quite frankly, I couldn't care less if I was on your ignore list. You seem to be ignoring everything I am saying anyway.

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In fact, now that I think of it, I've had enough of your ridiculous questions and your consistent subject changing, not to mention your immaturity. You're the first person I've put on my ignore list in my 9 months on this forum. Enjoy.
 
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Undesired Walrus said:
Brit spelling.;) Like A-lay-in-yum, not the dodgy version you guys use... Infact, I have never known the form called 'snicker'! This is all I think of [qimg]http://images.quizilla.com/S/SteelyPhil/1098709217_essnickers.jpg[/qimg]
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Aloominum, aluhminyum; Snickers, Marathon. Call the whole thing off.
 
~enigma~ said:
You need about 1 kg thermite to produce 0.5 Kg molten iron. Allowing the wooish morons to call this flowing material molten iron, we are looking at a volume (total flow) of what has been said to be 8 tons (considering the density of iron). That would require 16 tons of thermite. That is 32000 pounds. A flowerpot full of thermite is about 5 pounds. Where was 32000 pounds of thermite hidden in an office building?
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When you say 32,000 pounds of thermite, do you mean 32,000 pounds to create whatever we're looking at in the photograph in the OP, or 32,000 pounds to bring the entire building down?

Since the perps couldn't be 100% sure which floors the planes would crash into, wouldn't they have to rig most of the floors in both buildings just to make sure?

Even if 32,000 pounds is the absolute minimum I'm sure the conspiracy liars will say it could have been snuck into the buildings in mail bags catering carts without the morons who carried it realizing what they were ACTUALLY doing.

Many of those who participated in The Manhattan Project didn't know what they were working on at the time, but once Hiroshima happened it was crystal clear. So why, almost six years later, doesn't one of these lackey morons come forward? After all, they did nothing wrong.
 
I once had a guy tell me that the most likely scenario was 40 tons of thermite being placed in both basements, along with more thermite in the upper floors.

Yes, he actually believed it.
 
Alt+F4 said:
When you say 32,000 pounds of thermite, do you mean 32,000 pounds to create whatever we're looking at in the photograph in the OP, or 32,000 pounds to bring the entire building down?

Since the perps couldn't be 100% sure which floors the planes would crash into, wouldn't they have to rig most of the floors in both buildings just to make sure?

Even if 32,000 pounds is the absolute minimum I'm sure the conspiracy liars will say it could have been snuck into the buildings in mail bags catering carts without the morons who carried it realizing what they were ACTUALLY doing.

Many of those who participated in The Manhattan Project didn't know what they were working on at the time, but once Hiroshima happened it was crystal clear. So why, almost six years later, doesn't one of these lackey morons come forward? After all, they did nothing wrong.
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32000 pounds to create enough molten iron that we see in the flow from the corner (which isn't molten iron). if anybody is really dumb enough to think that a convoy of mailcarts, mailbags or catering carts numbering in the half million range would not be noticed nor reported all over the news they may believe whatever they want.
 
Rev:

Well i can only assume I am not on ignore, as I do not fit any of your 3 profiles, but if you think it is a game, or some sort of badge awarding ceremony, than feel free to put me on ignore as well...

Putting people on ignore rarely solves anything, unless someone is harrassing you, or posting comments you find intolerable.

TAM:)
 
e^n said:
My biggest question is why would this 2000+C thermite not immediately melt the perimeter aluminium facade which it literally cascaded over? The answer is of course that it isn't at 2000C (and that aluminium is a decent heat sink but it was insulated with SFRM)
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Whether it is molten iron from thermite, or molten aluminum, or some other metal, the color is a good indicator of temperature. It ranges from orange to white.

E^n asks exactly the right question. Whatever it is, why is it not melting the aluminum cladding?

I think we must consider the possibility that this video was fabricated.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Whether it is molten iron from thermite, or molten aluminum, or some other metal, the color is a good indicator of temperature. It ranges from orange to white.

E^n asks exactly the right question. Whatever it is, why is it not melting the aluminum cladding?

I think we must consider the possibility that this video was fabricated.
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How about the more logical idea of no thermite?
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Whether it is molten iron from thermite, or molten aluminum, or some other metal, the color is a good indicator of temperature. It ranges from orange to white.

E^n asks exactly the right question. Whatever it is, why is it not melting the aluminum cladding?

I think we must consider the possibility that this video was fabricated.
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I think we must consider the far less illogical possibility that the material is not at 2500C as proposed and is in fact at around 800-1000C.
 
e^n said:
I think we must consider the far less illogical possibility that the material is not at 2500C as proposed and is in fact at around 800-1000C.
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No, that's not possible. The stuff is orange-yellow-white. Orange is around 2000K which is 1726C. Yellow and white are hotter than that. How could you think the stuff is 800-1000C? Aluminum alloys melt below 700C anyway.

I am using the method of associating the color with temperature. What method are you using?
 
No, that's not possible. The stuff is orange-yellow-white. Orange is around 2000K which is 1726C. Yellow and white are hotter than that. How could you think the stuff is 800-1000C? Aluminum alloys melt below 700C anyway.
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Why couldn't aluminum alloys be at 800-1000 c ?

I am using the method of associating the color with temperature. What method are you using?
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Color varies depending on the material.
 
DGM said:
Why couldn't aluminum alloys be at 800-1000 c ?

Color varies depending on the material.
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Wrong. When materials become hot enough to begin emitting light, the wavelength of light is given by temperature, and is quite independent of material.

Aluminum alloys could be a whole range of temperatures. If this flow was 800-1000 C, it would be a dull red. The stuff that appears to flow from the south tower is orange-yellow-white. Orange is around 1720 C.
 
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I'm sure some of the real physicists on the board can explain the matter better than I can, but the wavelength of light a substance emits when heated does depend on the substance being heated as well as the temperature. This is high school physics.

Electrons in the heated material will jump up to a higher-energy orbital and then drop down to a lower one again, releasing the difference in energy levels in the form of a photon with equal energy. Exactly which wavelengths can be emitted depends on what kind of atoms are in the heated sample, which is why we can use spectroscopy to identify elements by the light they emit.

For example, embers in my fireplace glow red and my fireplace is not likely to get past 800 or 900 degrees fahrenheit.

The CTists seem to be assuming that whatever is flowing out of the WTC is going to be a pure metal, which is fairly bizarre. It's going to be a mixture of whatever was around at the time, so you can't sensibly generalise from the look or behaviour of pure metal in a factory to the look and behaviour of whatever it is pouring out in the videos.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
I was using this page

http://www.techmind.org/colour/coltemp.html

In any event, it does not at all change my point, which has thusfar been avoided. If the flow is orange-to-yellow-to-white hot, it is more than hot enough to melt aluminum. Why does it not melt the aluminum cladding that it is flowing right over?
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What photo resisters are used in the camera what are the settings on them it could be dull red with slightly off adjustments on the camera.
If it was aluminum Chloride oxidizing with water super heated steam would be given off, and the cooling would keep the aluminum on the exterior from melting.
Also aluminum conducts heat very well that is why it hardly ever glows yellow or white while flowing when flowing it simply cools to quickly.
An impact however can change the conductivity of the Aluminum by including Iron or other compounds below the oxide layer.
Dr. Joneses experiment only trying to melt the compounds together he did not try to use high speed impacts to form deep inclusions below the oxide layer I did. I got 3 pounds of aluminum to glow orange white at 1000c with only three shots from a shot gun with steel water fowl shot.
Given that burring and fragmentation would have increased the amount of aluminum oxide and it would have sandblasted steel, and impacts between the steel and molten aluminum would have included the steel below the oxide layer it is not to much of a coincidence that such a flow was formed.
Of course I am just an Idiot in Kentucky with a shot gun some junk and a chainsaw, what do I know I am not a Physicist or Scientist I just like burning and blowing things up from time to time.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
I am not a Physicist or Scientist I just like burning and blowing things up from time to time.
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Speaking as a physicist, I'd say that's a pretty good definition of one (given that the other bit that you left out was "and seeing what happens", which you seem to be thoroughly committed to). Do you like hitting things with hammers too?

Dave
 
Kevin_Lowe said:
I'm sure some of the real physicists on the board can explain the matter better than I can, but the wavelength of light a substance emits when heated does depend on the substance being heated as well as the temperature. This is high school physics.
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No, the emission color is related to the temperature. Forget what material is flowing out of the tower. Whatever it is, it is orange-white hot. That is hot enough to melt aluminum. Why does the aluminum cladding not melt? This flow was supposedly occurring for several minutes.
 
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