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Forcefeild Thermate, Remote Controlled planes and LCFC predictions

Dave Rogers said:
Speaking as a physicist, I'd say that's a pretty good definition of one (given that the other bit that you left out was "and seeing what happens", which you seem to be thoroughly committed to). Do you like hitting things with hammers too?

Dave
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Well I did break a weld with a shock wave though steel, caused by hammering on it and started a calculation on physorg that lead to calculation on unheated sections of the twin towers and how off center strikes would effect the welds.
Is that good enough? I sculpt wood, stone and work with steel I am looking for a new 22 pound hammer I had one but I broke it. It was a special hammer made to reshape oil well cleaning bits in the early S. It would straiten an steel pipe or bend a two inch thick steel rod faster than anything else I have found.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
No, the emission color is related to the temperature. Forget what material is flowing out of the tower. Whatever it is, it is orange-white hot. That is hot enough to melt aluminum. Why does the aluminum cladding not melt? This flow was supposedly occurring for several minutes.
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Your forgetting aluminum and steel can conduct away the heat, and air acts as a cooling fluid.
So the Cladding would only melt where the flow was in direct contact with the molten material.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
Your forgetting aluminum and steel can conduct away the heat, and air acts as a cooling fluid.
So the Cladding would only melt where the flow was in direct contact with the molten material.
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And since the flow is clearly falling clear of the building face (it's falling through air rather than running down a surface), that would only be right at the point where it emerges. Kind of weakening e^n's original point, of course; the only thing we can really estimate about this flow is its temperature, but even that may be biased by infidelity of colour reproduction in the video. In any case, Jones himself admits that it's not hot enough to be molten iron (although he doesn't seem to want to admit it to himself).

Dave
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
I think we must consider the possibility that this video was fabricated.
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Between all that plane footage, and now this, not to mention the movie Pearl Habour, ILM had a tremendously busy year faking all this footage.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
Your forgetting aluminum and steel can conduct away the heat, and air acts as a cooling fluid.
So the Cladding would only melt where the flow was in direct contact with the molten material.
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Even there, it would depend on just how hot the molten material was, the melting point of the two different aluminum alloys (aircraft and cladding), and the specific heat of fusion for the cladding alloy.

Science is a bitch to conspiracy theories. :D
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
I think we must consider the possibility that this video was fabricated.
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Right how likely is that, given the variety of different sources film footage that also show the same thing? Do you know how hard it would be to fake the same details from so many different angles

And given the FACT that there were journalists at the site who were injured and nearly killed (for instance Paul Berrif, who had been making a documentary about the New York fire department, he was injured just outside the south tower, and had the film crew who had come with him, carry on filming), what are the odds on a cameraman allowing his footage to be faked ?

Ace, people risked their lives to take those pictures.

Doesn't the possibility of a conspiracy theory being wrong, occur to you ?
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Whether it is molten iron from thermite, or molten aluminum, or some other metal, the color is a good indicator of temperature. It ranges from orange to white.

E^n asks exactly the right question. Whatever it is, why is it not melting the aluminum cladding?

I think we must consider the possibility that this video was fabricated.
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Bolding Mine

Ye-es! Can somebody give me an "Amen"?
Everthing's now going to be able to be dismissed as fabricated video!
This is wonderful as it will explain away every inconvenient piece of evidence that refutes any troofer suspicions.

"What about those guys on the video, boarding the plane?"
A: Fabricated Video
"Why aren't there any sounds from the multiple detonations that would've been necessary for CD?"
A: Fabricated Video
"Why don't we see the huge energy beam of light/power?"
A: Fabricated Video
"Why can't we see the concrete core?" A: F.V.
"Where exactly are those missiles, MaGZ?" A: F.V.

In Ace-World you can fabricate video to include something or exclude something. It's a catchall excuse. I'm sure this could catch on in Lyte-World, also. "Why we can prove that no one saw what they say they saw(well, except for the guys we are going to misquote)... Fabricated Video done it!"
 
Another intellectually superior comment from Rev. Well done. When does school begin again?

TAM:)
 
Dave Rogers said:
Who are you, and what have you done with Ace Baker?

Dave
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Never fear, it is Ace. Ace is CD and no plane, but not (as far as I know) thermate.

A teensy tiny spot of reality and Ace fantasy overlap, nothing to worry about.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Love the sig, MortFurd! I think I've scrolled by it a number of time without noticing! My humble apolgies.
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Thanks. :)

And thanks for making me click on the link in my sig. The original thread got merged with another one, and my link broke. :( Fixed now - goes straight to Shrinker's pwnage.
 
MortFurd said:
Thanks. :)

And thanks for making me click on the link in my sig. The original thread got merged with another one, and my link broke. :( Fixed now - goes straight to Shrinker's pwnage.
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I hadn't even thought to click the link. That thread is etched in my memory.

:spjimlad:
 
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