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UFO's and the Government

Devil's Advocate

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Of course the conspiracy being the cover up and lies regarding it.
This is the only documentary on the UFO debate that does not leave you with a statement such as,"Are we alone? Have Alien craft been visiting earth? We may never know...."
Thank god for the FOIA...some of the documents are incredible if they are real.

I believe it was ripped from the sci-fi channel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBtVOhAl2ks

Thoughts on the topic?
 
Of course I'd like to believe that there are aliens out there who can show us humans we are really not that great, but you have to wonder why they simply shove a stick up our arse and then are on their way.

Simply speculation with no evidence to back up, but I really have a hard time believing that the US would cover up proof of aliens.

Interesting point: The first guy who saw a UFO was in a plane and said it 'skipped across the sky like a saucer'. Bear in mind, it wasn't a saucer shape.

But what did people start to 'see'? Saucers.

Glad we finally have a UFO thread.
 
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Zippo possibility as far as I'm concerned. There's simply no there there.
 
Of course I'd like to believe that there are aliens out there who can show us humans we are really not that great, but you have to wonder why they simply shove a stick up our arse and then are on their way.

Simply speculation with no evidence to back up, but I really have a hard time believing that the US would cover up proof of aliens.

Interesting point: The first guy who saw a UFO was in a plane and said it 'skipped across the sky like a saucer'. Bear in mind, it wasn't a saucer shape.

But what did people start to 'see'? Saucers.

Glad we finally have a UFO thread.

Why do I think they would come? Why do kids get ant farms? :)
Think of how a highly advanced civilization would view us. We would have to be at the very least interesting to them.
One may even say,"Wow, those CT guys are full of sh(self edit)!"
lol Sorry, could not resist...
But Alien 1 may say,"Hey, remember the history holograms about when we used to use rockets to go to our moon like a million years ago?"
Alien 2: "lol....to the moon....lol"
 
Interesting point: The first guy who saw a UFO was in a plane and said it 'skipped across the sky like a saucer'. Bear in mind, it wasn't a saucer shape.

But what did people start to 'see'? Saucers.

Glad we finally have a UFO thread.

Interestingly enough he was actually watching his own instrument lights
 
Of course I'd like to believe that there are aliens out there who can show us humans we are really not that great, but you have to wonder why they simply shove a stick up our arse and then are on their way.

Simply speculation with no evidence to back up, but I really have a hard time believing that the US would cover up proof of aliens.

Interesting point: The first guy who saw a UFO was in a plane and said it 'skipped across the sky like a saucer'. Bear in mind, it wasn't a saucer shape.

But what did people start to 'see'? Saucers.

Glad we finally have a UFO thread.

UFOs is one of my favourite topics.

The "first guy who saw a UFO" was Kenneth Arnold. If you read his original report and compare it to descriptions of how pelicans fly when they migrate. -- which they were doing at that time and place -- you will find that what he saw were pelicans, The only issue is that he "saw" them "fly behind a mountain" from which he estimated their size and distance. This is explained in that they were lit from below by sunlight reflected from snow. When they entered the shadow of the mountain, they were no longer lit and seemed to disappear.

So many of the "best" UFO stories have similar prosaic explanations. The stories get repeated over and over. The explanations are completely ignored. :mad:
 
The stories get repeated over and over. The explanations are completely ignored. :mad:
Sounds familiar in a more recent context, no? Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. Or... "It takes all the running you can do to stay in one place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast." (Lewis Carrol, Alice Through the Looking-Glass.)

Sigh.
 
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Sounds familiar in a more recent context, no? Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. Or... "It takes all the running you can do to stay in one place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast." (Lewis Carrol, Alice Through the Looking-Glass.)

Sigh.

Or. "A Lie is half-way around the World before Truth has a chance to put his boots on."

Double sigh. :boggled:
 
Damn, I wish there were more to talk about here. I had a youthful fascination with UFOs. And as an astronomer, the possibilities of what UFOs could be have enormous potential appeal for me. But I've researched the subject a lot, from Ezekial to Yucatan and everything else in between, and try as I might (and believe me, I have) there's virtually nothing that gives me even the slightest pause or makes me want to say "hmmm." It's too bad in a way -- I would personally love to see a UFO -- but as I said, no there there. In my opinion, it's a content empty discussion.
 
Of course I'd like to believe that there are aliens out there who can show us humans we are really not that great, but you have to wonder why they simply shove a stick up our arse and then are on their way.
I don't know about you, but to my mind somebody that can casually drop by to shove a stick up our ass and then go on his way without much concern for any response is pretty clearly demonstrating his assessment of our greatness.

In case they're listening in: For our visitors' continued comfort and convenience I will accept without proof that extraterrestrial travelers are sufficiently greater than we, and hereby waive this particular demonstration requirement for my part.
 
I really have a hard time believing that the US would cover up proof of aliens.

I really have a hard time believing that the US could cover up proof of aliens.

The technology it would take to fly from an unknown planet to Earth would be radically beyond that of Earth. Any attempt to control it would be like tribal warriors with pointed sticks trying to cover up the existence of a modern mechanized army in their village.

Not to mention that the sky is under constant observation by disparate, independent parties -- astronomers, air traffic controllers, pilots, weather researchers, and the like. If an extraterrestrial object did approach earth, it would be spotted by these types of people long before it would be visible to the naked eye. I doubt any decent-sized object could even pass through our solar system without being detected.

The idea that an extra-terrestrial object would be missed by all the radar, tracking stations, and telescopes in the world, and spotted by some guy wandering around his backyard, is just plain silly.

Mind you, I believe that extraterrestrial life exists, in the sense that the observable size of the universe makes it likely that some planet, somewhere, harbors life. But these "I saw a UFO and nobody else did" stories defy simple logic.
 
Well we are not getting a debate here at all! :D

It's a bloody "Love In". :jaw-dropp

Can someone invite a UFO kook or two? ;)
 
Damn, I wish there were more to talk about here. I had a youthful fascination with UFOs. And as an astronomer, the possibilities of what UFOs could be have enormous potential appeal for me. But I've researched the subject a lot, from Ezekial to Yucatan and everything else in between, and try as I might (and believe me, I have) there's virtually nothing that gives me even the slightest pause or makes me want to say "hmmm." It's too bad in a way -- I would personally love to see a UFO -- but as I said, no there there. In my opinion, it's a content empty discussion.

I've seen two craft that defy common known capabilities within 200 feet of me (combined distance, not at the same time) and one that I thought was a satellite in space until it stopped and started making a triangle pattern over and over.
I was around 16 years old on that one. I wish I would have counted how many times it made that triangle. Don't ask me why, it just is a desire I've always had about it that I cannot explain a reason for.

Another one is a long story, but in short, it was about 50 feet up and 50 feet away from my brother and me and it was hovering. (It had followed us in my brothers car for about 5 miles.) It was an area that had a lot of trees, so we just knew it was a light, but could not tell what it was.
The only clearing for quite a few more miles was a church.
We lost sight of it for about two minutes and when we came around the corner, it was hovering above the church.

We pulled into the church parking lot and I got out of the car. My brother stayed in the car at this time and was looking at it through the windshield.
(He was driving)
When I got out, I walked about five feet in front of the car and was looking at the craft. It was around 2am, so I did not get much detail.
It was triangular, with lights on each corner. All I could tell was it seemed like the front and right rear edges came to a point. It looked like a blade.
(I could not see anything but the light on the left rear corner)

The craft was completely silent. I'm not sure how long I stood there looking and it, but I bet you could have driven a truck in my mouth...lol
Well, I asked by brother to flash the head lights. The car was pointed right at it. Somewhere along the line my brother had gotten out of the car, but he stood inside the open door. I never noticed that he got out.
Well, he said he would not flash the lights at it. I should have known then what I found out later....
I asked him a few times to do it and he said no each time. So I got a little mad and snapped at him to do it.
So he did, he flashed the lights three times. And about three seconds later, the lights on the craft pulsed three times.

I cannot describe what I felt when it flashed back. It was kind of like the chill up your spine, only it was the whole core of my body did it. I honestly was not expecting it to do anything. I said something that I will not post on the formed, but it was just excitement in a crude form. "Holy f***ing ◊◊◊◊ ! That was bada*s !!!" Something to that effect.

And here is what I should have seen coming came....as soon as I said,"Do it again, do it again!" I heard the door shut.
My brother rolled up to where I was turning the car to put the door on my left said and he said,"Get in!"
I just said,"Do it again! Flash it again!"
And he started to pull ahead like he was going to leave me there. He said,"Get in now, I'm leaving with or without you."
So I got in the car.
I was not upset at that time, I was still in shock but in an excited way. My brother was shaking, and he was looking in the rear view mirror more than he was looking at the road.
He was terrified. I still rag him about it, and he laughs about it now. But he admits that if it ever happened again, he would leave just as before.

I do not know the origin of the craft. All I know is that it never made a sound.

The other I saw was with a friend. It was also very late, around 3am. We were walking to the large neighborhood pool. It was about a half mile from my house. We would jump the fence and swim at night.
On the way, I do not know if it is connected, but it could have been that is why I say this part....way off in the distance we saw what looked like a firework coming down. You know the old comet ones that would leave trails off the back? Well like that, but the front was burning orange and the tail was green. It was a long trail. It could have been a firework, I am not sure.

We swim for around and hour and go back to my house. We hang outside for a while talking, I was sitting on a project car I was building, Steven was in front of it standing in the driveway.
I kept picking up movement out of my peripheral, and kept looking to my right. All I saw was a street light through some trees.
So we kept talking, but I kept looking to my right. After I did it about five times, Steven started looking and asked me what I kept looking at.
I just thought that a breeze was catching the branches and causing them to sway and disrupting the street light so it looked like it was moving.

Then when I said that to Steven, he watched for a second and said,"No, I think the pole the light on is about to fall, because the light is moving."
So we walk down my driveway, and it is not the streetlight at all. That street light was not working.
About 75 feet off the ground, the light was coming towards us quickly. It was coming really quickly.
As it came close then it became clear what it was, my first reaction was to jump under my car. I have no idea why. Something just did not feel right.
I did not feel that way with the triangular craft.

This craft was saucer shaped, but it had a large tube in the center of it. It was an amber color, and looked like it had to have been about ten feet long, and about 1/5th the size of the crafts diameter.
It seemed to slow as it got to about 20 feet from us before it passed almost directly over head. The only reason we could tell it's shape was because of that light illuminated the bottom of it. I was focused on that tube. Steven said he saw windows ringing around the outside edges around it's center.
I did not see that, because I was focused on the tube.
It, like the triangular craft, was completely silent.
Then, once it passed us by about 30 feet, it picked up speed, and I mean a lot of speed. We looked at each other as we lost sight of it because of my house, both bug eyed and slack jawed.
So without a word, we both ran up the stairs to the deck on the back of my house, and we only saw it for a few more seconds before it was out of sight.
Steven and I did not speak to each other the rest of the night. I have no idea why, but we didn't.

I know it is hard to believe, but I'd swear any oath that those are indeed facts. Not birds, not swamp gas....aircraft.
Again, I have no idea if they were alien or not, but I just do not know of anything the U.S. government has that is anything thing like the craft I've seen.
 
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What year was this?

Are you trying to get my age out of me? lol

The Triangular craft was around 1991-1992. The Disk/Saucer was around 1993.

All of them in Georgia.
No military bases around the area's of the sightings.

The first was about 60 miles from Atlanta.
The second was about 80 miles from Atlanta.
The third was around 40 miles from Atlanta.
 
I love UFO stories and anything to do with aliens but I dont believe they visit our planet.I am inclined to think if they came here they would just let us know.I dont see the point of all the sneaking about at night time,taking people from their beds then return them.
There has got to be life in other planets in the universe,it doesn't make sense for there not to be.They could be more advanced than us or just the same who knows.
As for governments coving up stuff I am not sure.Would it benefit them,maybe,or if they shared their knowledge it might make them more powerful.
 
I love UFO stories and anything to do with aliens but I dont believe they visit our planet.I am inclined to think if they came here they would just let us know.I dont see the point of all the sneaking about at night time,taking people from their beds then return them.
There has got to be life in other planets in the universe,it doesn't make sense for there not to be.They could be more advanced than us or just the same who knows.
As for governments coving up stuff I am not sure.Would it benefit them,maybe,or if they shared their knowledge it might make them more powerful.

I look at it this way....had there been life on mars or the moon, there would have been UFO's there, Alien craft, and alien life forms!
The UFO's had odd symbols on them....U.S.A.
 

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