UFO's and the Government

[Corsair 115]

Check this out. I do not know the story behind it, but it is one of the most interesting videos I've seen. It's only 17 seconds long.
It could be a fake, but it would be the best fake I've ever seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWYqHIN7Hb0&mode=related&search=

My first guess as to what that video shows: a missile test that didn't go well. Note the bright flame of the exhaust and the smoke trail. That all screams missile.

 

[Corsair 115]

I've seen two craft that defy common known capabilities within 200 feet of me (combined distance, not at the same time) and one that I thought was a satellite in space until it stopped and started making a triangle pattern over and over.

How did you determine it was 200 feet away from you? What criteria were involved?

Another one is a long story, but in short, it was about 50 feet up and 50 feet away from my brother and me and it was hovering.

Same question as above.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Devil's Advocate, I don't know what you saw or even what you think you saw, but as a non-experiencer and an "as-yet-to-be-convinced" sketpic I note that your report is one of many thousands. Not one of which is supported by any photographic evidence. Until I see some reasonable photographic evidence I shall remain unconvinced.

 

[JQH]

Given what can be done with photoshop, I would like something considerably more convincing than a photograph.

 

[MG1962]

The "first guy who saw a UFO" was Kenneth Arnold. If you read his original report and compare it to descriptions of how pelicans fly when they migrate. -- which they were doing at that time and place -- you will find that what he saw were pelicans, The only issue is that he "saw" them "fly behind a mountain" from which he estimated their size and distance. This is explained in that they were lit from below by sunlight reflected from snow. When they entered the shadow of the mountain, they were no longer lit and seemed to disappear

Unfortunately this is incorrect - he saw and chased the reflection of his own instruments on his windscreen

 

[Devil's Advocate]

How did you determine it was 200 feet away from you? What criteria were involved?

Same question as above.

The 200ft would be the combined distance from the two.

On the saucer craft, I knew it was 50 feet because that is how far I had to keep the project car I was building from the mailbox as per rules in the neighborhood.
(Clutter and all that, it was a nice neighborhood)

The triangular one is an estimation, and with regard to both I stated 'about' (distance).
I could hit either craft with a rock easily. (Well, I would have had to lead the saucer craft quit a bit, but had it stopped, easy hit)
A way to get an idea of height is the use of a telephone pole.

You think it was a missile? I'm not saying you're wrong, but it would have had to have been a very tough missile to impact the ground that hard and bounce off with no apparent damage. At the two second mark, you can see the impact and the dirt fly up, and it trails quite a bit of it for a few seconds.
Plus, I cannot figure out why a missile would glow like that.
But, who knows? It's still interesting.




Gord_in_Toronto
I can respect that. I may not have believed it either had I not seen it for myself. Depending on who told me, because I trust a few people with my life.
But yeah, it was pretty wild.

 

[Furcifer]

I don't know why they (space creatures) want to deal soooo badly with the US government and its people (the gun thing of course). I mean, come on, Canada's right here guys. We will take anyone in and give em health care! We've got pretty good street cred as far as nations go too. You want fresh water? Hello, take lake Superior, no worries. You need Uranium to get home? We've got it (weapons grade if you want) Cows? No problem, some of them are mad as hell, but hey, whatever floats your boat (or hovers your saucer). You want to be left alone? Take Saskatchewan. Thinking of raising little Zorgons? We've got one of the best public education systems in the world. A lap dance? Montreal! Our dollar is climbing too you know, virtually par with the greenback these days. I mean when you consider everything Canada is really a prime destination spot. Canada: We put the EXTRA in Extraterrestrial!

 

[Viper Daimao]

this is all assuming that faster than light travel is even possible. There's been zero evidence to show that it is. This would make it virtually impossible for living creatures to visit us. It would more likely be some sort of automated probe that would make it out here, like voyager.

 

[Devil's Advocate]

Canada: We put the EXTRA in Extraterrestrial!

That made me LOL for real.


But the U.S. is creating anti-matter, and that would be the fuel they would use. So they still have to come to us for a fill up. So, HA!
At the rate we're going, we should have 40 gallons worth in about 250,000,000,000 years!

 

[Devil's Advocate]

this is all assuming that faster than light travel is even possible. There's been zero evidence to show that it is. This would make it virtually impossible for living creatures to visit us. It would more likely be some sort of automated probe that would make it out here, like voyager.

No craft with mass ever will go the speed of light. You have to bend space, worm holes, etc.
Hyperdimensional quantum mechanics because it's fun, and all the cool kids are doing it.

 

[Revolutionary91]

Given what can be done with photoshop, I would like something considerably more convincing than a photograph.

Did you watch the video I posted?

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Unfortunately this is incorrect - he saw and chased the reflection of his own instruments on his windscreen

He didn't chase anything. To quote him saying what he saw:

"I was fascinated by this formation of aircraft. They didn't fly like any aircraft I had ever seen before. In the first place, their echelon formation was backward from that practiced by our Air Force. The elevation of the first craft was greater than that of the last. They flew in a definite formation, but erratically. As I described them at the time, their flight was like speed boats on rough water or similar to the tail of a Chinese kite that I once saw blowing in the wind. Or maybe it would be best to describe their flight characteristics as very similar to a formation of geese, in a rather diagonal chain-like line, as if they were linked together. As I put it to newsmen in Pendleton, Oregon, they flew like a saucer would if you skipped it across the water".

And:

"I observed it seemed to... the first craft was at a higher elevation than all the rest of craft, which, of course, is not conventional, military formation at all, in either this country or Russia or Germany or anything that I had ever heard of before. So I just assumed, in a flash, that they were some new type of military missile or jet and possibly remote controlled. They didn't fly like airplanes actually. This brilliant flash that came from their surfaces, which I assumed was from the sun reflection at first, would pulsate and they would flutter like this and sail and they seemed to fly just as readily on edge as they did on a level. As I mentioned before they seemed like they were linked together in a sort of diagonal chain-like formation, similar to geese, but, uh (chuckle) they were not geese. I was very puzzled about that. However, I made a special note, they were all independent. Individually they were flying on their own, but every once in a while one of them would give off a flash like this and gain a little more altitude or deviate just a little bit from the echelon formation. And this went periodically on among them... alternatingly, I should say, not in regular rhythm particularly among all the nine craft I was observing".

This does not appear to be anything like a description of "reflection of his own instruments on his windscreen". It is a very accurate description of American White Pelicans migrating.

See:
http://virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2000/jul/m03-004.shtml
for the complete analysis.

 

[Devil's Advocate]

Did you watch the video I posted?

I did. And it was good. I liked mine better because of all the classified documents that it showed.

 

[Athyrio]

Are you trying to get my age out of me? lol

The Triangular craft was around 1991-1992. The Disk/Saucer was around 1993.

All of them in Georgia.
No military bases around the area's of the sightings.

The first was about 60 miles from Atlanta.
The second was about 80 miles from Atlanta.
The third was around 40 miles from Atlanta.

No, about the age thing. Sorry you entered your age in the post. All three of mine were in Georgia also, 40 years ago. One around Millen, one in Statesboro, the other was somewhere northwest of Statesboro. The "triangular" aspect is what intrigued me. Now mind you, I am an extreme skeptic these days. Most of the weird things that have happened to me in life, I have resolved so far - except for this. I can only relate what happened, but I will not interpret it. I'm busy right now. If this thread still has a heartbeat when I get back, maybe I can talk about it.

 

[Devil's Advocate]

No, about the age thing. Sorry you entered your age in the post. All three of mine were in Georgia also, 40 years ago. One around Millen, one in Statesboro, the other was somewhere northwest of Statesboro. The "triangular" aspect is what intrigued me. Now mind you, I am an extreme skeptic these days. Most of the weird things that have happened to me in life, I have resolved so far - except for this. I can only relate what happened, but I will not interpret it. I'm busy right now. If this thread still has a heartbeat when I get back, maybe I can talk about it.

Well shoot it to me in mail if you want. I'd like to hear it.

 

[Revolutionary91]

I did. And it was good. I liked mine better because of all the classified documents that it showed.

Yes yours was good. I just thought mine was so credible in terms of witness testimony.

 

[Devil's Advocate]

Yes yours was good. I just thought mine was so credible in terms of witness testimony.

Man, if I had a rubber hose I would beat the.... j/k
Oh yeah? Well my witnesses were Astronauts and people with this highest National Security clearance! Guys in control of nuclear missiles!
So HA!
I win!


What did you have? Pilots. Pfffttt.....fly boys....
J/K!

 

[Revolutionary91]

Man, if I had a rubber hose I would beat the.... j/k
Oh yeah? Well my witnesses were Astronauts and people with this highest National Security clearance! Guys in control of nuclear missiles!
So HA!
I win!


What did you have? Pilots. Pfffttt.....fly boys....
J/K!

Mine had astronauts. Oh, and my dad is bigger than your dad.

Its just that the usual documentaries show some backwoods people who claim to see ufos with no verification. Both our docs were irrefutable in terms of eyewitnesses.

 

[DGM]

Yes yours was good. I just thought mine was so credible in terms of witness testimony.

There will all ways be sightings that can't be identified. I think what JQH meant was alien space craft. I would need face to face no question for that myself. Distances between planets/galaxy's way to much

 

[Civilized Worm]

I believe in unidentified flying objects. I believe that there are flying objects that we have been unable to properly identify. I do not believe that they must therefore be alien spacecraft.