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The point is that TAM said that people who don't agree with majority view on 911 are misfits. Gravy then ignored that.

I posted a poll about the majority view of JFK and gravy (rightly) told me that majority view means nothing.

The point is Gravy's bias.

To be clear, I AGREE with Gravy that majority opinion is irrelevant. I just wonder why he exercises such double standards when TAM posts about the majority view of 911.
 
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"Revolutionary91"

Leaving aside the numerous issues that arise from your choice of user name as a 15 year old, do you actually believe the crap you spew? Seriously? I realize that you're just a kid, but do you actually believe what you write or are you just trying to fit in somewhere - anywhere? I suspect the latter, and I feel for you to a certain extent. Still, I have to wonder where your parents have been throughout your upbringing, and I have to wonder about how and why you have been deluded to the extent that you have been at such a tender age.

I truly hope that a rational adult takes an interest in your life some time soon.
 
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Revolutionary91 said:
The point is that TAM said that people who don't agree with majority view on 911 are misfits. Gravy then ignored that.

I posted a poll about the majority view of JFK and gravy (rightly) told me that majority view means nothing.

The point is Gravy's bias.

To be clear, I AGREE with Gravy that majority opinion is irrelevant. I just wonder why he exercises such double standards when TAM posts about the majority view of 911.
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You're completely missing the point, which is that membership in a majority doesn't automatically make one right.

In the case of 9/11, TAM's statement is correct, because the majority supports the version of events that is supported by mountains of evidence, not the version that is spun out of whole cloth by fools.
 
Hi Gravy,

Thanks for your post. I'm sure you put a lot of time and effort into it. Honestly, I have only sold the Parvaid and Vibactra Plus. Nobody has ever purchased any of those other products from me. I only bought them to have them on hand in case anyone wanted them.

I don't even make enough money to pay for that web site and I have not made my investment back. But, nobody offered or asked me to sell those products. I called them and asked if it was possible, because with those two products mentioned in my first paragraph, my dog recovered from Parvo.

Although I am not in it for the money, I am not well-off enough to continue to lose money on this business every month either. I was considering closing down the web site and just keeping the products I have and/or giving them away for free.

Talk to you again soon!
Traci
 
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chipmunk stew said:
Traci, does your experience with aircraft entitle you to give your opinion as to the efficacy of untested herbal remedies on life-threatening health conditions? And to profit from that opinion?
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Hi Chipmunk Stew,

What you wrote is kind of silly. Of course not. But, if you visited my web site, you would have seen that I did use the products on my own dog while she was sick with parvo (a deadly illness) and she recovered.

I was so happy with the product and my dog's recovery that I wanted to make it available in my own town so that other people would not have to pay $50 in shipping costs like I did.

That being said, with all of this controversy over the products and my losing money with them, I am seriously considering quitting. I may do that this weekend.

Thanks for the question,
Traci

PS If you go to the Amber Technology web site, they do have a one year study documented proving an 85% success rate in treating parvo. Personally, my success rate has only been about 62% which has been disappointing to me. When somebody does call me, I always tell them to take the dog to the vet if they have the money. 99% of the people who bought from me could not afford the vet treatment, which runs from $500 to $2,500. The people who call me have usually already refused vet treatment and are watching their dogs die before their eyes. It's better to at least try something to help the dogs. Like I said, it helped mine.
 
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Gravy said:
Do you believe, as most Americans do, that there's a place called Hell where sinners go when they die, so that their souls are tortured for eternity?

Being in the majority doesn't make you intelligent, rational, or correct. It simply means you belong to a group. Nothing more.
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That is a true statement, but it does not take away My assessment of this forum. I joined this forum in May to debate 9/11 truth. I was on the CT side, but only to argue that the government LIHOP, anything else was not logical to Me.
After some time I realized that hanging on to the one belief of government complicity, and so passionately believing it to be true, I totally ignored facts that were right in front of Me.
That being said, this forum has the most knowledgeable, experienced, intellectually honest, and educated people I have ever come across, bar none.
Case in point; I brought up Traci Parris' name simply because she was associated with the F-16 and she turns up here posting credentials and I get a good understanding of her and a wealth of info I did not know about Homeopathy products. It's a good example of this forum.
Just a bit of derail there. But welcome to the forum Traci, you won't be disappointed as you would with the ae for 9/11 truth.
 
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Thanks very much for your reply, Traci. It's important to realize that your dog recovering from Parvo had nothing to do with the homeopathic products you administered. Many dogs will recover from Parvo naturally (although the recommended course of treatement that Arkan's dog had is sensible: no one knows at the outset which dogs are at the most risk), some will need a moderate amount of medical care, and some will need a lot of care.

Homeopathy relies largely on confirmation bias and anecdotal evidence: "This stuff must work: I took it for my flu and felt better in two days." Likewise, the Parvaid advertising states that most dogs will begin eating normally again after two days of treatment. Even if that's true (no studies are cited), of course the ad doesn't state that most dogs will recover spontaneously anyway.

I'm glad to hear that you're getting out of the business.

–Mark
 
Revolutionary91 said:
When Markyx discovered this he could have simply emailed Mr Gage and told him. Instead, he started a thread here encouraging everyone to sign up under false names. Childish and attention seeking.
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It was stated, flat-out, that your name would be added to the website immediately. It wasn't an accident; he set it up that way on purpose.

The thing about truthers is that they love low entrance barriers. This is just one blatant example.
 
Revolutionary91 said:
I'm glad you mention it. It will increase the embarrassment for the adults I own.

BTW have you heard of an ad hominem argument? I don;t think my age in any way negates my arguments.
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You don't even own the body you are in.
 
MIKILLINI said:
That is a true statement, but it does not take away My assessment of this forum. I joined this forum in May to debate 9/11 truth. I was on the CT side, but only to argue that the government LIHOP, anything else was not logical to Me.
After some time I realized that hanging on to the one belief of government complicity, and so passionately believing it to be true, I totally ignored facts that were right in front of Me.
That being said, this forum has the most knowledgeable, experienced, intellectually honest, and educated people I have ever come across, bar none.
Case in point; I brought up Traci Parris' name simply because she was associated with the F-16 and she turns up here posting credentials and I get a good understanding of her and a wealth of info I did not know about Homeopathy products. It's a good example of this forum.
Just a bit of derail there. But welcome to the forum Traci, you won't be disappointed as you would with the ae for 9/11 truth.
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Thanks...but I am really disappointed with the personal attacks people launch at one another here. I probably won't be here much longer, as I have already received a vulgar and insulting email. I prefer not to be cussed at and I really don't understand why someone would write to me accusing me of hating my country and calling me a bad word.

It's strange how I found this site. I just googled my own name and it was in the results. I was shocked to see people were talking about me and making fun of me and nobody bothered to try to contact me.

Traci
 
TraciParris said:
Thanks...but I am really disappointed with the personal attacks people launch at one another here. I probably won't be here much longer, as I have already received a vulgar and insulting email. I prefer not to be cussed at and I really don't understand why someone would write to me accusing me of hating my country and calling me a bad word.

It's strange how I found this site. I just googled my own name and it was in the results. I was shocked to see people were talking about me and making fun of me and nobody bothered to try to contact me.

Traci
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Thing is, you've lent your name, and thus your support, to a website that accuses a great many people of mass murder. Is that not personal? Is that not insulting? Accusing people of murder?

The fact is, you support the loons who make these fantastical accusations, and trot out the same old tired, completely debunked drivel as their "evidence".

You deserve to be called a bad word.
 
Gravy said:
Even if that's true (no studies are cited), of course the ad doesn't state that most dogs will recover spontaneously anyway.
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I initially read that as "no stundies are cited".

I need to get out more.
 
Gravy said:
You're completely missing the point, which is that membership in a majority doesn't automatically make one right.

In the case of 9/11, TAM's statement is correct, because the majority supports the version of events that is supported by mountains of evidence, not the version that is spun out of whole cloth by fools.
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Could I see the stats that back up the majority supporting the official story?
 
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That isn't the only poll though. The zogby poll in 2004 found a minority believing the official story fully.
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You should really read the poll, which was written and commissioned by 9/11 deniers and was a poll of New York residents taken on the eve of the Republican National Convention in New York, which was an extremely unpopular event: by far the time when the Bush Administration was at its least popular here. I know: I was involved in the protests.

Oh, and even then it doesn't show a majority supporting LIHOP or MIHOP theories.

I live in New York City and have never once heard 9/11 conspiracy theories discussed, except where I sought out the few people they can get to publicly protest.

You lose.
 
i work in a company of over a hundred employees. not one believes anything stated by 911 conspiracy theorists

one on staff is an ex-mechanical engineer (decided to change jobs), and he doesn't believe anything that the truthers spout.

I have several japanese workers who can't believe the idiocy of those who call themselves 911 truthseekers.




if the truthers claim that there are those who believe the conspiracy theory (and constanty use the 84% claim), then in my company alone, there should be at least 80 employees that belive the statements by truthers...

funny 0% do
 
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