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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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In fact, I think I'll put droopy ass to rest. Her ass isn't droopy, it just appears that way because of what's blocking our view and likely her left hand swinging back as well. 344 makes this pretty clear imo. The shape I see for Patty's rump is from the log or stump blocking part of Patty.
 
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LAL said:
There are about 290 in zoos.
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And there are supposed to be 1000's of Bigfeets in the wild ..
Why ' none ' in the zoo ?

They're scarce, wide ranging and largely nocturnal. Peter Byrne hunted in the jungles of Sumatra. He told me the forests of the PNW are far denser; you can't see through them.
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But according to Footers, they're not scarce ..
If the PNW is so dense, how does a 7 foot plus, hundreds of lbs. primate move, sleep and forage through such a habitat, without being detected ?
 
LTC8K6 said:
In fact, I think I'll put droopy ass to rest. Her ass isn't droopy, it just appears that way because of what's blocking our view and likely her left hand swinging back as well. 344 makes this pretty clear imo. The shape I see for Patty's rump is from the log or stump blocking part of Patty.
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Yep, the droopy ass effect, did turn out to be the left hand moving into view..

OMG ! A skeptic admits a mistake ! :jaw-dropp
 
Locknar said:
LAL – Thanks for the effort; my intent was to provide a common baseline. The ones I’ve seen in print; I have to be honest and say that to me, they just show a guy in a costume, with foam and fabric lumps.
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Check out the ratios, especially the IM index.

While parallels can be drawn from other species of primates, that opens the door to other aspects such as the hairy breasts (which are not found in other primates).
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Except for humans (it's just very fine) and a chimpanzee that once made the cover of National Geographic.......... A sceptical scientist used this argument soon after writing a paper on hairy human breasts.

Seems like a perfectly reasonable adaptation for an upright primate in temperate climes. Why compare them to tropical apes?

So common they appear in people’s yards, yet no credible physical evidence has ever been found. Given the supposed world wide population of this “primate”, this is a real show stopper for me.
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How common are reports like that? I don't think they're all the same species. Do you?
 
LAL said:
Check out the ratios, especially the IM index.
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Since the intermembral index is determined by:

"ratio of the length of the forelimb (humerus + radius) divided by the length of the hindlimb (femur + tibia) X 100"

and an accurate measurement requires the actual bones, where did Patty's humerus and femur bones come from?

LAL, you've trotted out the IM index in the past as though you're presenting some scientific fact with regards to the PGF. The only thing factual is the formula used, and there's certainly nothing scientific about obtaining results by guesstimates.

If we use your non-scientific method of determining an IM index, then this guy cannot possibly be human.

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RayG
 
LAL said:
Seems like a perfectly reasonable adaptation for an upright primate in temperate climes. Why compare them to tropical apes?
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Because that is exactly what you do when it suits you ...

I can dig up countless posts, here and elsewhere , where you do just that ...

What kind of apes do you have in mind, besides the tropical ones ?

Your endless references to australopithecines and gigantopithecus are a good place to start, not to mention your support of Patty's tropical ape features like the saggital crest, midtarsal break and enlarged wrists ...


( LTC8K6 ( or someone ), please quote me, or post this same reply so Lu can see it.. If she ignores it, remind her a time or two .. )
 
Originally Posted by LAL
Seems like a perfectly reasonable adaptation for an upright primate in temperate climes. Why compare them to tropical apes?
Because that is exactly what you do when it suits you ...
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Diogenes
I can dig up countless posts, here and elsewhere , where you do just that ...

What kind of apes do you have in mind, besides the tropical ones ?

Your endless references to australopithecines and gigantopithecus are a good place to start, not to mention your support of Patty's tropical ape features like the saggital crest, midtarsal break and enlarged wrists ...
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Yep, the droopy ass effect, did turn out to be the left hand moving into view..
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I lost track of the droopy ass discussion, actually. I never did find out where that finally ended up. I would vote for it being mostly a stump blocking her thigh, making it look thinner, with the hand adding a little at the bottom.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Sweaty, you really thought all of the proposed explanations were ridiculous? Even the change of angle demo? I thought it was terrific, myself.

What did you think when we spotted you the fact that the fingers do bend?

As far as I am concerned, I was asked to come up with alternatives to Patty's fingers actually bending, and I/we made an honest effort to do so.

If you thought they were ridiculous, that's actually fine with me.

I think bigfoot is a bit ridiculous, but it's rarely how I argue the subject.
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I considered answering your questions LTC....but decided against it.
I said what I wanted to say to you....anything I can say regarding Bigfoot evidence is nothing more than a waste of my time here.

I'll decline the invite, and you and the gang can all get back to saying..."where's the proof...got a body?" :rolleyes:

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Well, I don't have any groundbreaking news on the PG film to offer, but I'd like to add to the post Kitakaze posted for me about Ben Radford being on the Let's Talk Bigfoot show.

There is a mailing list to remind interested people in show dates and times and if anyone would like to receive that please e.mail me at teresamhall@starband.net. and let me know what e.mail address you'd like a reminder sent to each week.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming ;)
 
Correction to my LAL/DIOGENES exchange:

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Seems like a perfectly reasonable adaptation for an upright primate in temperate climes. Why compare them to tropical apes?

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Diogenes:
Because that is exactly what you do when it suits you ...
I can dig up countless posts, here and elsewhere , where you do just that ...

What kind of apes do you have in mind, besides the tropical ones ?

Your endless references to australopithecines and gigantopithecus are a good place to start, not to mention your support of Patty's tropical ape features like the saggital crest, midtarsal break and enlarged wrists ...
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I'll decline the invite, and you and the gang can all get back to saying..."where's the proof...got a body?"
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We're not a gang, we disagree on a lot of things, as can easily be seen by reading the threads. We don't need a body, either. I may have made a similar remark a time or two, but that is not the thrust of my arguments.

Folks can read up on the way I post and make up their own minds as to whether I am fair and reasonable in the way I discuss bigfoot, or anything else for that matter.

There is no reason for you not to respond to me, SweatyYeti, except that you have decided not to have a discussion with a skeptic.

Which begs the question of what you will do at this board...
 
RayG said:
LAL, you've trotted out the IM index in the past as though you're presenting some scientific fact with regards to the PGF. The only thing factual is the formula used, and there's certainly nothing scientific about obtaining results by guesstimates.
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I've also quoted Jeff Meldrum saying it can only be an approximation. There are other ratios that don't point to human. (Please don't post the checkerboards again.)

What's scientific about dismissing it as a guy in a suit without doing any kind of analysis?

If we use your non-scientific method of determining an IM index, then this guy cannot possibly be human.

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RayG
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That illustrates quite nicely Green's point that extensions below the elbow would look ridiculous. He mentioned Edward Scissorhands.

http://www.bfro.net/news/challenge/green.asp

Thanks for posting it.
 
RayG said:
She seems to think that if she mentions it often enough people will blindly accept it as fact.
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At least you put a qualifier in your mind-reading that time. I'm suggesting the poster look a little deeper.

That ain't gonna fly here LAL.
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Except for pictures of Barney it's mostly been ignored, although a few think it would be an easy matter to produce it, and the shoulder width, in a 1967 suit.

I've also mentioned Steindorf, and the fact that his digital skeleton had an IM index of 88, quite close to Meldrum's 80-90.

It's not human nor ape, but it is Australopithecine. At the time, there was nothing known of Australopithecines below the jaw.
 
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