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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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More Hot Air Please!

You mean when you actually produce the body we'll all have egg on our faces? I (honestly) look forward to the day.

No, actually I mean that I'm figuring your tactics out and I'm learning what makes you tick...what your true motives are. Now I'll be able to teach others how to recognize a disingenuous debate lover from a true skeptic. (I finally figured out that you're not true skeptics) The more people learn about your deceptive tactics, the quicker they'll pull away from folks like you and not waste their time listening to a bunch of hot air. So say on... I'm sure there's more I can write down about your kind. More hot air please...

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Dear liar, hater, truth-is-yucky dudes...

I have studied all your ways...

I am Zen...

I am one...

I am truth...

Bear witness...

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I have just proven the existence of Stimpson J. Cat. He is in fact an atmospheric beast. Disagree with me at your intellectual integrity's peril.

Haters beware the chair.
 
Luminous,
You are still not responding to specific flaws pointed out to you concerning how real muscles look .
You just continue to re-post the images where the problems can clearly be seen .

The outline of shoulder pads. Real muscles are not shaped like that .

The Achilles tendon does not intersect the two lobes of the gastrocnemius ..

There are more ..

Why do you moan that the skeptics dismiss the evidence out of hand, then ignore it when we show the evidence is flawed ?
 

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I'm posting a modified version of this because the edit option is gone and I wanted to add a few new tactics.

The games skeptics play:

First of all, I've noticed that you skeptics play "blind" when it's convenient to what you believe and then you claim to "see" when it's profitable to your argument. You have "selective vision."

If you were staring at a painting of a horse, you would undoubtedly say, "it's a pig," if it was in some way beneficial to the convoluted opinion that you have of yourself.

The musculature I pointed out on Patty is there whether you like it or not. If you were to call it foam rubber, that would be more honest than playing dumb and saying. "It's not there." It's there and you know it. It's right in front of your eyes. You're just too arrogant to admit it. Just about any bodybuilder could clearly identify the muscle groups I described. "But I see a pig," says the skeptic.

You see what you want to see. You're blind to what you don't want to see. This is nothing more than deception and dishonesty. Right about here is where you try to switch the argument to, "That's what your doing, not us." (The old bait and switch tactic.)

With tactics like these, you can never lose an argument. This "I don't see it" crap is a little too convenient.

A skeptics' tactics:
Sorry, I don't see it
I see something else, what are you seeing?
Change the subject (Smokescreen)
Your evidence is not enough, prove it
Table turning (That's not us, that's you!)
Be contrary to everything even at the expense of the truth
Ignore what was said altogether
Never admit ignorance
Never admit when you're wrong
Never, ever concede when you've lost an argument
When you can't win the argument, attack the person's character
Mock and make fun of the presenter and what is presented
Point out their spelling errors just to be annoying.

You can't even have a good debate here. This superiority, oneupmanship and having to win every argument keeps you from truly being objective. I call you "contrarians," because that's all you are. You approach everything that is presented with a know-it-all attitude, and you take the opposite side of everything that is presented, just for the sheer thrill of it. You love to hear yourself argue. And in your mind you always "win." Most of the time your opinions prevail over actual fact, however.

Using the tactics listed above, you can "win" every time. But it's only a "win" in your own mind.

Strong opinions are okay, as long as you are willing to yield and listen to others and lay aside your opinion when a stronger consensus prevails. So far I've seen none of this among you.

No true debate can take place with you because these tactics that you use are unethical and dishonest. In short, your not concerned with truth -- you simply like to hear yourself speak. These are games that I refuse to play.

If somebody here has the voice of true reason, now is the time to speak concerning these things.


Hey Luminous... :) ....you've SEEN the light!! ;)

To summarize all the skeptics' arguments on these Bigfoot threads....you need only ONE little line....ONE itsy bitsy little thought...

"Where's the proof .....got a body?" :rolleyes:

As you've already discovered, Luminous, you're wasting your time here. I suggest you give-up discussing the evidence for Bigfoot with these skeptics, and come back ONLY after Bigfoot has been proven to exist.

The skeptics on this board are "black-and-white" thinkers....you either have proof of Bigfoot's existence....or you have nothing. The evidence for Bigfoot carries NO weight whatsoever, as far as they're concerned.

For a perfect example of this....just read the quote from Diogenes in my signature line.

Any attempt at intelligently discussing the weight of the evidence is a 100%....total and complete....waste of your time.

That's all...just wanted to encourage you to leave.
Have a good day, Luminous! :)
 
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Methinks Luminous is ignoring our points, Diogenes...
You'd think we never made any stills to illustrate anything...
 

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Luminous,
You are still not responding to specific flaws pointed out to you concerning how real muscles look .
You just continue to re-post the images where the problems can clearly be seen .

The outline of shoulder pads. Real muscles are not shaped like that .

The Achilles tendon does not intersect the two lobes of the gastrocnemius ..

There are more ..

Why do you moan that the skeptics dismiss the evidence out of hand, then ignore it when we show the evidence is flawed ?

Real muscles aren't shaped like that? Well at least your admitting that something is there. That's more than the others here. I'm honestly trying my best to see your point. But it looks more like musculature to me. I dosen't appear to be shaped like shoulder pads at all. Got any pics of shoulder pads that may confirm what your trying to convey? I'm willing to consider your point and at least look at them. I'm not saying I'm going to concede over a shoulder pad debate. Seeing as you were honest enough to admit there's something there, however, I'll look, ponder and consider. You have the makings of a true skeptic. I can't say that for the majority I've met here thus far.
 
LAL - "The cibachromes are good. Seen those?"; yes I have....but to make sure we are talking about the same thing, do you have a link that shows what you are talking about?

Not a "flat-Earther" eh? Well...at least we agree on something :)
 
Kitikaze -- Man from Planet X

Dear liar, hater, truth-is-yucky dudes...

I have studied all your ways...

I am Zen...

I am one...

I am truth...

Bear witness...

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I have just proven the existence of Stimpson J. Cat. He is in fact an atmospheric beast. Disagree with me at your intellectual integrity's peril.

Haters beware the chair.


I hate to be the one to say this, but you're starting to sound like a nut-job. Your posts are becoming more and more bizarre. I'm thinking about pushing the "ignore" button cause "you ain't all there." I have no idea what the hell your talking about! Cats, Zen, I am one... What the hell?
 
Real muscles aren't shaped like that? Well at least your admitting that something is there. That's more than the others here. I'm honestly trying my best to see your point. But it looks more like musculature to me. I dosen't appear to be shaped like shoulder pads at all. Got any pics of shoulder pads that may confirm what your trying to convey? I'm willing to consider your point and at least look at them. I'm not saying I'm going to concede over a shoulder pad debate. Seeing as you were honest enough to admit there's something there, however, I'll look, ponder and consider. You have the makings of a true skeptic. I can't say that for the majority I've met here thus far.

You can look up shoulder pads as well as I can . I provided a blue out line of a rough shoulder pad shape ...

You haven't addressed the anatomical problem of the Achilles not intersecting with the calf muscle like it should... That alone, is a show stopper.

Later, I can show you how, as the upper arm swings to the rear, it doesn't pull the breast to the rear, as would happen on a real primate with real muscles.

Also, we can see how the upper arm moves independently of what would be the deltoids .. Wouldn't happen with real muscles..
 
blah, blah, blah.

I can't see it.

blah, blah, blah.

How was that?

Well, it's not a competition... some say tom-at-toe some say tom-ate-toe... :D

I used to be a big proponent of the film because I thought I saw a calf muscle that appeared to flex. But rubber boots also 'flex', so I revised my position to that of an absolute fence-sitter. I see nothing in the film that absolutely convinces me it's a real critter, nor do I see anything that absolutely convinces me it's a suit.

Skeptics will not be completely satisfied unless and until convincing evidence (a body) is produced. I don't have a problem with that, it's how science progresses. Believers seem satisfied with faith that bigfoot exists. Faith may be fine for creationists, but it's woefully lacking when it comes to science.

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RayG
 
How a True Skeptic Behaves

Any attempt at intelligently discussing the weight of the evidence is a 100%....total and complete....waste of your time.

That's all...just wanted to encourage you to leave.
Have a good day, Luminous! :)

Thanks for the encouragement Sweaty! I plan on pulling out of here shortly, but I want to recored a few more of their tactics so I can write a post about these folks.

By the way, I've come to the conclusion that most of these folks aren't true skeptics. They're disingenuous debate lovers. Because of their dishonest tactics and games, you can't even have good debate with them. A true skeptic doesn't engage in the tactics I have been listing.

Yes I am wasting my time trying to show anything here. But I've been studying their tactics and maneuvers so I can expose them for what they really are: "contrarians."

Contrarians are the folks who take the opposite view of everything, just so they can show off their debating skills. If you're for it, they will be against it because they get "high" off of conflict. They live for the thrill of heated arguments. But they care nothing for the truth.

You can have a productive debate with a true skeptic because they're not out to get everyone "riled" up or prove that their right at the expense of the truth. You can have civil discourse with them, and even disagree, but shake hands and walk away having learned something. But this is too boring for a disingenuous debate lover because they like the heat of fervent disagreement and hostility. They're adrenalin junkies.

The truth is, they are too immature to pay much attention to. That's why they have to resort to playing such childish games. They're simple children in grown up bodies. That pretty much sums up my assessment thus far.

I'm hoping a true skeptic will step forward. We can have a mature and civil debate then.

The call goes out...

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You can look up shoulder pads as well as I can . I provided a blue out line of a rough shoulder pad shape ...

You haven't addressed the anatomical problem of the Achilles not intersecting with the calf muscle like it should... That alone, is a show stopper.

Later, I can show you how, as the upper arm swings to the rear, it doesn't pull the breast to the rear, as would happen on a real primate with real muscles.

Also, we can see how the upper arm moves independently of what would be the deltoids .. Wouldn't happen with real muscles..

Good try on the shoulder pad thing. But your evidence is weak. (A hand drawn blue line?) My daughter could have drawn that. As to these other points, make your case. I'm open enough to consider what you have to say, But you'll have to take me point by point through these things because I have no idea what you're talking about. Show me...please.
 
Flex and Jiggle

You wanted to see flex and jiggle, here is a smaller version. This not cloth ladies and gentlemen, this is flesh and blood. I'm interested in what tactics you will employ to downplay, denigrate or deny what is plainly before your eyes. So, here it is.

Sorry to tease you with that, but the download management says it's too big to download.

Oh well, I'm sure most of you didn't want see it anyway. There's nothing I can do, but it clearly shows muscle flex and jiggle.

If anyone knows how else I can show it here, please tell. It's an animated gif.
 
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