Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

[Luminous]

Hmmmmm... either you're being willfully ignorant, your observational skills are woefully underdeveloped, or you're just plain lazy. At least three different people have pointed you in the direction of the people you seek. Just to refresh:

*LAL is by far the most prolific, with 2.692 posts, though not all of them pertain to bigfoot, the vast majority do. If you have read and support Krantz and Meldrum you'll get along fabulously with LAL.

RayG

I'd go with lazy. I prefer that you use up all your energy trying to prove me wrong. That saves me the trouble of having to repeatedly state the obvious.

 

[Luminous]

Yes, the hair's sticking up, then. Maybe a cowlick, even. How'd you arrive at that conclusion? Sounds like your trying to make anomalies fit your assumptions. It's a no-no, believers do it a lot.Off to a fine start. Sweaty'd be proud.

Thank you. That's good to know. Hat's off to Sweaty. I hope I do make Sweaty proud.

 

[Luminous]

Do you know what data mining is ?

You pick out the stuff you like and throw away the rest .. You don't like this picture, so you pretend it doesn't exist ..

[qimg]http://www.intergate.com/~gregorygatz/images/hernia2.gif[/qimg]

In order for muscles to work, they have to be shaped a certain way and attached to the bone a certain way .

However with padding is doesn't matter..

Got a clear close-up of this same pic? If you do please show...

 

[kitakaze]

I'd go with lazy.

I thought so.

I prefer that you use up all your energy trying to prove me wrong.

I'm sorry, about what? Did you you make a claim backed up with something more substantial than an 'I used my eyes' cop-out? All I see is you getting served.

That saves me the trouble of having to repeatedly state the obvious.

You could save yourself the trouble by backing your claim.

 

[Luminous]

What a story it is. Shall we turn to the chapter on hair braid and bone clasp? Or maybe turd stuck to hair? Shotgun blast mark? Teeth?

*cough* tube, list, if you please.

If you're referring to M.K. Davis's comments, I respect the work he has done on the film, but I don't agree with most of his commentary.

 

[Luminous]

Originally Posted by Luminous
I think you don't like the fact that I said it is intellectually dishonest to look at a clearly muscle-clad figure and say, "I can't see it." The more honest response would be, "I see them, but I think they were sculpted by Roger Patterson out of foam." I would have to disagree with you of course, but at least you're integrity would be intact.

I think it's a pretty dumb thing to say and I demonstrated why. You're free to go ahead and show that the figure is clearly muscle-clad now. The real sneaky part is that I haven't even said whether or not there appears to be muscles.

I don't think it's a dumb statement at all. Maybe you think it's dumb because it fits you to a tee?

 

[kitakaze]

Thank you. That's good to know. Hat's off to Sweaty. I hope I do make Sweaty proud.

Luminous, hereafter AKA The Broken Record. Specialty: Response without redress, insistance without substance.

 

[kitakaze]

I don't think it's a dumb statement at all. Maybe you think it's dumb because it fits you to a tee?

Good one. Response without redress. Opinions are easy when you don't support them.

 

[Luminous]

Proof?
Here it is:
http://www.gorillamen.com/
At the galleries, you will find these and much more pics, with the film they belong to and the movie's year. Most of them are from the 40s and 30s.


Muscles? Want to see muscles?
[qimg]http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d150/AVCN/StarTrek-Gorn.jpg[/qimg]
Way better than Patty's eh? Much more defined.

You say costumes like that are no match for Patty´s muscles. Have you seen those costumes in action? Can you prove such claim? Please expose your arguments.

Have I said Patterson built the Patty suit? Couldn't he have bought, rented or modified a costume? How much skills would one need to increase an arm's lenght?

You said building such costume would be beyond P&G financial reach. What are the evidence you have to back such claim? Do you know how much it would cost to build, buy or rent one back then?

Where are the reliable evidence for bigfeet as real critters?

Interesting. Exactly what year is that costume from now? Can you prove the date? Just how would Roger Patterson make one of these Lizard costumes with hair on it? How much did this one suit cost the the TV industry to make? Where's your proof of cost?

 

[kitakaze]

If you're referring to M.K. Davis's comments, I respect the work he has done on the film, but I don't agree with most of his commentary.

Ah yes, the close ups tell the real story. WHOA! Not that close.

I would love to hear why you don't agree with this particular 'expert's' commentary.

 

[RayG]

I'd go with lazy. I prefer that you use up all your energy trying to prove me wrong. That saves me the trouble of having to repeatedly state the obvious.

Prove you wrong? Yer barking up the wrong tree. First, I was merely trying to lead you to the information you were too lazy to search for. Second, proving you wrong suggests you were right to begin with, and I see no evidence of that. Third, you repeatedly stating something doesn't make it true, no matter how hard you wish or how much you believe.

Neither you, nor I, nor anyone else can prove anything about the subject in the PGF, so find a chair and hump away all you want.

Luminous 68, chair 0

RayG

 

[tube]

Interesting. Exactly what year is that costume from now? Can you prove the date? Just how would Roger Patterson make one of these Lizard costumes with hair on it? How much did this one suit cost the the TV industry to make? Where's your proof of cost?

My God, someone who doesn't recognize the Gorn from "Arena"...

Clearly we need to pay careful attention to the opinions of a person so well versed on Hollywood costumes.

Luminous, I'm sure Stan Winston and Chris Walas would be fascinated with your thoughts on "piloerection".

 

[Skeptical Greg]

If you're referring to M.K. Davis's comments, I respect the work he has done on the film, but I don't agree with most of his commentary.

In other words; his conclusions about what can be seen in the film are different from yours...


Hmmmm....

 

[kitakaze]

We should pay attention when Luminous speaks of the obvious. This is, after all, one who sees a big house cat when presented with the Maine mystery cat image.

BTW, Luminous, would you happen to post on any of the boards I referred you to?

 

[Correa Neto]

Interesting. Exactly what year is that costume from now? Can you prove the date? Just how would Roger Patterson make one of these Lizard costumes with hair on it? How much did this one suit cost the the TV industry to make? Where's your proof of cost?

The gorn suit?
Star Trek - the original series, first year (1966). Episode: Arena
It was designed by Wah Chang, who also made the salt vampire creature.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/tos1.htm
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Gorn
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Wah_Chang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wah_Chang

What about stop dodging and answering questions?

 

[RayG]

Interesting. Exactly what year is that costume from now? Can you prove the date? Just how would Roger Patterson make one of these Lizard costumes with hair on it? How much did this one suit cost the the TV industry to make? Where's your proof of cost?

You're not only lazy, you're illogical too.

That Gorn suit was shown in the 'Arena' episode of the original Star Trek series (Jan 19th, 1967 to be exact), so it's a safe bet it was actually created prior to that, likely sometime in 1966. Prove otherwise.

If I'm not mistaken, you argued that nobody could possibly make a suit during that time era that would show muscle definition. You were shown a suit, invalidating your argument, so you now argue that nobody could possibly make a suit during that time era that would show muscle definition AND be covered in hair. How can you prove that Roger "I'm goin' to make a million bucks!"* Patterson didn't do exactly that?

You also switch to an irrelevant argument of cost, when no one knows how much money (or time) Patterson may have had available to him. If he made a fake suit he could have taken his time until he was quite satisfied with his handiwork. His interest in bigfoot-type creatures certainly pre-dated his fateful PG film. Prove otherwise.

RayG

*"I'm goin' to make a million bucks! -- Roger Patterson, October 22, 1967

 

[Correa Neto]

Dudes and dudesses,

Please go to
http://www.startrekhistory.com/restoration/makeup.html
and scroll down untill you find a pic of the giant anthropoid from Galileo 7. Look at it. Imagine painting the sking with a dark hue, black or dark brown. Now look at Patty's face close up.

On an unrelated line...
Exactly what those ventilation holes in the gorn suit were supposed to ventilate? Never mind...

 

[Luminous]

There are no ' clear close ups ' ..

Anatomy/physiology expert that you are, why would you say the piloerection is only being manifest on the back of the left leg ? Why in a globular pattern ?

Can you show that such a pattern is typical of a piloerection ?

You sound like the rationalizers over at BFF, who, when they can't explain why Patty's humongous boobs don't bounce around like they should; declare that Bigfoot breast tissue, must be like no other tissue yet analyzed..


When you make stuff up, no one can show you are wrong until a specimen is acquired... And since that is unlikely to happen, you have little to fear ...

Have you ever seen a female body builder? Their breasts don't flop around either!

 

[Luminous]

The gorn suit?
Star Trek - the original series, first year (1966). Episode: Arena
It was designed by Wah Chang, who also made the salt vampire creature.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/tos1.htm
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Gorn
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Wah_Chang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wah_Chang

What about stop dodging and answering questions?

Cost. Didn't I mention the cost of making the suit? And the answer is? (Talk about dodging questions...)

 

[Luminous]

Good one. Response without redress. Opinions are easy when you don't support them.

What's that noise? It's the sound of a broken record I hear! It must belong to someone from the age of the dinosaurs. Don't you know that Cd's replaced records long ago? Catch up with times there Kitakaze. You're getting a bit crusty.