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Moderated Dowsing By Edge

SezMe said:
RemieV, I have some comments on the protocol.

First, you should establish a limit on the period that edge can dowse each container. I suggest something like ~10 seconds, or whatever edge will agree to. The problem is that he tends to dowse longer and longer as the trials go on, leading to fatigue on edge's part and a too long drawn out test for everyone.

Second, you will not find a place where edge says there is "no" background reading. That is what he means by calibration. The protocol needs to state that edge agrees that whatever background there is will not affect his dowsing.

Third, the protocol should begin by having edge dowse a container KNOWING that it contains the target and then dowse a container KNOWING that it does not contain the target. At this point, edge should state without equivocation that the location is acceptable and his dowsing works at that location.
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No worries, SezMe. These are in the plan once Mr. Guska begins responding to my e-mails again.
 
Edge,

If you put the target (Gold) on a scale and then move your dowsing rod over the target, does the target weight change? Just wondering.

-LF
 
Well, its mass won't change, but if edge's alleged force is real, then its' weight should change. No?

-LF
 
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LongFuzzy said:
Edge,

If you put the target (Gold) on a scale and then move your dowsing rod over the target, does the target weight change? Just wondering.
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At one point it was suggested that Edge make a pendulum with a gold weight at the bottom and dowse at it, because it would only take a tiny force to make the pendulum swing. As I recall he did this and honestly reported that he couldn't make it swing. Sadly, rather than make him question whether there was actual force between the rod and the gold, he instead decided to that it is a force, unlike all others ever discovered, that only works in one direction, immune to Newton's Third Law.

He is a remarkable mixture of honesty and self-delusion.
 
RemieV said:
I'm sure he's just busy :)

Can't expect a lightning-like reply!
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No, because there's only a USD 1,000,000 reward for doing what he claims to be able to do.

RemieV said:
I'll post more info as it becomes available.
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Thanks for the updates so far, RemieV. (Or is it Remie?!?)



What's the current over/under for:

1. Edge's response in days?
2. Edge's changes to the protocol?
3. Edge's excuses for delay in the testing process?
4. Edge's choice of the test location in months?
 
edge said:
You mean I got a responce finally, ok I'll have to read it.
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Oh, please do read it.

Your last post doesn't count as a response, edge, because you have been online at the JREF Forum for at least 20 minutes before you posted. That should have provided ample opportunity to find out about this and understand the JREF basically accepted your proposal.
 
SezMe says,
Hey, edge!

Get your henie in gear and start working with RemieV.
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I wouldn't mind working with her, very beautiful.
Along side a creek in a cabin.
 
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edge said:
Hey, edge!

Get your henie in gear and start working with RemieV.

I wouldn't mind working with her, very beautiful.
Along side a creek in a cabin.
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Could you tune your dowsing rod to find the quote button, edge, while not fiddling with the delete key?
 
SezMe says,
SezMe said:
RemieV, I have some comments on the protocol.

First, you should establish a limit on the period that edge can dowse each container. I suggest something like ~10 seconds, or whatever edge will agree to. The problem is that he tends to dowse longer and longer as the trials go on, leading to fatigue on edge's part and a too long drawn out test for everyone.

Irrelevant


Second, you will not find a place where edge says there is "no" background reading. That is what he means by calibration. The protocol needs to state that edge agrees that whatever background there is will not affect his dowsing.

Same, if I am doing The test I have agreed....


Third, the protocol should begin by having edge dowse a container KNOWING that it contains the target and then dowse a container KNOWING that it does not contain the target. At this point, edge should state without equivocation that the location is acceptable and his dowsing works at that location
agian irrelivent, I will do this for calibration....
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You are making this way too complicated.

The ten minutes is also fine but needs adjusting.
 
edge said:
SezMe says,


You are making this way too complicated.

The ten minutes is also fine but needs adjusting.
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Edge, stop waffling. Now.
[/Jack Bauer]

You need to respond to this:

RemieV said:
I have just sent this e-mail to Mike Guska:

Mike Guska,

Thank you for your patience. The final protocol will be in this e-mail, though I ask you to keep in mind that Randi must sign off on any protocol before the process to begin testing.

You will come to a location, so far unspecified, and find a spot within said location that has no "reading" on your dowsing rods. You will then leave the room while a cannister (what kind of cannister? Film? Coffee?) is placed. You will return to the room and dowse for the target metal (either gold or silver, to be determined based upon availability).

You will dowse the single cannister and leave the room while a second is placed. The process will continue for ten cannisters. One of those will definitely contain the target metal. The other nine in each set will definitely not.

You will then be allowed a short break (about ten minutes) and return to dowse the next set of ten in the same fashion.

You will be asked to dowse ten sets of ten cannisters in this fashion.

You will not be permitted to touch the cannisters. The JREF will have a volunteer standing by to place them. You will not be permitted to watch when the cannisters are switched.

A positive result for the preliminary test will be identifying the target substance (of either gold or silver) correctly in seven out of the ten sets of ten.

Let me know if this protocol works for you, and please answer the questions above as concisely as possible.

Thank you again for your patience,

JREF Challenge Desk
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I highlighted the most important part.
 
IF this ever happens, someone should film it and perhaps make a documentary similar to the one Randi did on the dowsing claim.

Where was that one, England? Australia?

So, what's the best guess as to when this might take place?
 
I have answered.
This is it,
I like the way they say final, but I think what I have asked for is acceptable because of what the experiments have taught me about dowsing in a test like this.
It will matter for me to achieve higher numbers of correct hits.



Hi Alison,

Everything seems to be OK except.

I will use the ten minutes like this, When the metal
appears on the spot I will ask that you remove it and
wait five minutes before continuing to place what I
believe to be the remainder of empty containers.

Then I may or may not need the next five minutes.
Depends on where the target comes up at, or which
number, if it's contanier ten then we will take the
full rest time.

As far as a room , it will take place outside in a
park either in Fort Lauderdale or at a spot on Coffee
Creek Ca.
It might be easier for it to happen in Florida.

In Florida October would be a good time since it will
be cooler out side then.

I will in advance, go to that city and have a spot
picked out and I will conduct the test on my own, you
can then check it any which way you like.

Everything else is fine as long as one person of my
choosing is recording with the JREF team and I won't
see any of the persons hiding the target or that
person.
Mike

I don't think anything I have asked for is out of line or will cause them to have any doubt, and I will walk away with out any uncertainty.
 
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