More Fun with Homeopath Dana Ullman, MPH(!)

[kieran]

As regards "Why don't you care about finding out if homoeopathy does, or doesn't, work?" kindly refer to my post 520.

Do you agree with krazyKemist(498) and Hans (509) ?

Since you asked ... I agree that their proposed protocols are valid ways of determining whether there are particular physical effects caused directly by homoeopathy. I also think my variant is.

 

[kieran]

I have to say "MAY" because:

To start with no physical molecule. So no physical testability.

As others have said ... you claim physical effect. So yes physical testability.

It is only anecdotal experience of homeopaths that if exposed to EXCESSIVE sunlight or radiation the remedies seem to lose their effectiveness.

Sunlight ... so without any kind of systematic study (if such an effect even existed), you would have no idea if the physical effect is caused by light photons, or by the temperature change ... but you wouldn't care about that would you. Nenermind that you would learn something and have a logical way of improving your preparation and storage methods. Who needs to know eh?

 

[kieran]

If you mean chemically - NO - if you mean by observing symptoms - that requires a discussion.

Not observing symptoms - observing effects ... this includes effects on symptoms.

 

[kieran]

I have to say "MAY" because:

To start with no physical molecule. So no physical testability.

It is only anecdotal experience of homeopaths that if exposed to EXCESSIVE sunlight or radiation the remedies seem to lose their effectiveness.

I just noticed that while trying to clarify your "MAY", you had to resort to the use of "seem" ... are you actually sure about any of this?!? Or is it considered "good homeopathic practice" to just make it up as you go along?

While you have been merrily wandering through your own illogical view of the world, you seem to have stated above that no physical testing of homoeopathy is possible ... and yet in your earlier post #520 (the one you explicitly refered me back to read), you came up with the following ...

As regards the rtial krazyKemist(498), kieran (507) and Hans (509) have suggested the basis for what I feel may be a highly workable plan of action for a homeopathic double blind trial.

Please make your mind up - can the effects of homoeopathy be tested or not?

 

[manioberoi]

Organon § 32

I'm sorry, manioberoi, this was originally only meant for JG, but you are now talking so much nonsense, that I can't both be diplomatic, and address it too, so let's talk straight (you are welcome to do the same, I can take it):



This goes directly against conventinal homeopathic doctrine. Hahnemann says (Organon of Medicine, version6. My emphasis):



Are you constructing your private version of homeopathy, or are you just making smoke to get around the unpleasant question of testing?




Only now? Well certainly, your explanations don't help any. What you are essentially describing is a totally random function. I think that is even unfair to homeopathy; while it is based on faulty reasoning, homeopathy is quite systematic and retains a good inner logic.

I really think you are doing your case a great disfavor.




So you are saying that, even after taking the case and carefully selecting a remedy, the outcome of homeopathic treatment is totally unpredictable. How does this result differ from not giving any treatment at all?


SNIP
EASILY EXPLAINED:

“opposition of ideas between the paragraph 32, 117, 136 and 138. Hahnemann stipulates: (§32) 'But it is quite otherwise with the the artificial morbific agents which we term medicines. Every real medicine, namely, acts at all times, under all circumstances, on every living human being, and produces in him its peculiar symptoms (distinctly perceptible, if the dose be large enough), so that evidently every human organism is liable to be affected, and, as it were, inoculated with the medicinal disease at all times, and absolutely (unconditionally) which, as before said, is by no means the case with the natural diseases.' (§117) 'To the latter category belong the so-called idiosyncrasies, by which are meant peculiar corporeal constitutions which, although otherwise healthy, possess a disposition to be brought into a more or less morbid state by certain things which seem to produce no impression and no change in many other individuals. But this inability to make an impression on even one is only apparent.' (§136) 'Although, as has been said, a medicine, on being proved on healthy subjects cannot develop in one person all the alterations of health it is capable of causing, but can only do this when given to many different individuals, varying in their corporeal and mental constitution, yet the tendency to excite all these symptoms in every human being exists in it.' (§138) 'All the sufferings, accidents and changes of the health of the experimenter during the action of a medicine (provided the above conditions essential to a good and pure experiment are complied with) are solely derived from this medicine, and must be regarded and registered as belonging peculiarly to this medicine, as symptoms of this medicine, even though the experimenter had observed, a considerable time previously, the spontaneous occurrence of similar phenomena in himself. The reappearance of these during the trial of the medicine only shows that this individual is by virtue of his peculiar constitution, particularly disposed to have such symptoms excited in him. In this case they are the effect of the medicine; the symptoms do not arise spontaneously while the medicine that has been taken is exercising an influence over the health of the whole system, but are produced by the medicine'. According to Hahnemann a remedy elicits symptoms pertaining to its identity, meaning that a proved substance evokes in any prover the same symptomatology. He did not realise, although he talked about specificity (see underline), that susceptibility was an important factor. So, on one side he said (§32) that a remedy brings its own symptomatology in each and every human and on the other side (§117), he said symptoms appear a) frequently in healthy subjects. b) less often in a small number. c) in exceptional circumstances, there is no symptom. This is in direct contradiction with paragraph 32. Paragraph 117 was written to explain this discrepancy and he stated 'that it was only apparent' although his own experimental studies could not favour this point of view. Had nature given him a few decades more to live, no doubt he would have corrected and understood these discrepancies. He would have realised that a substance cannot elicit the same pathogenesis in every human because of their idiosyncrasy and he would have also realised that a remedy has dynamic properties which help to identify its specific characteristic the same way that fingerprints identify a man. He would have noticed that a substance has a dynamic pattern and not a physiological pattern. Then he went on writing the aphorism 138 which is correct, except the conclusion. Instead, he should have started: 'A potentised remedy elicits symptoms peculiar to the tendencies of the subject but their general modalities reproduce the essence of the substance'. Contemporary homeopaths voice their concern about this troubling fact. Sankaran affirms that 'No remedy in homeopathy has a site of action. Potentised remedies have dynamic effect only. Their effect is central. This central disturbances is to be cured in disease, not the pathology'. If so, why do we have Materia Medicae? Why do we have the pathogenesis of the remedies recorded in our book upon which we prescribe? What to cling to? To the pathogenesis and the pharmacology of our remedies (physical matter, low potencies), or to the new philosophies which claim that we have to match the dynamic disturbance of the patient to the dynamic effect of the remedy (mental, metaphysical level, high potencies). Sankaran says: 'A remedy that covers the mental state and general symptoms of a patient has got greater possibility of curing than the one that covers the particulars without covering the mental and general symptoms'. He went on to mention numerous cured cases, and the disease for which the patient was treated was not even mentioned in the Materia Medica!

What to do with our text books?
The Organon is a tool given by Hahnemann. As a good student, it is our aim and desire to improve it, to sharpen it to the need of the day and to bring it to the intellectual level of our time. What the Master could not grasp (because of the enormous flow of data, and because of the historical pressure), we are now able to do (humbly). Masi says that the discrepancy in the Organon stems from the fact that for the first time in life, one man was going from organic effects to dynamic effects and he could not, without leaving his colleagues in the dark, lead them into dynamic comprehension. It was like going into the microscopic world without a microscope, without any foundation for it. One will recognise the genius of Hahnemann in warning his followers not to try to understand the way homeopathy works, as it would lead to a waste of time and may be insanity (who is willing and ready to jump into a dark hole?). The Buddha in his teaching, used the same words and gently warned his disciples to comprehend things from their form and substance and not from our baseless speculation, until we are ready to grasp their content.

Each generation must add its discoveries
Nowadays, we have the means to penetrate what we use to call the 'void'. Science provides us with formulae which confirm the dynamic properties of matter and the Chaos theory suggests that even if we cannot guess what would happen next, there is definitely a common sense to life and a meaning to it. This should definitely help us to accept the idea that our remedies are dynamic and what we need to cure in the patient is not his disease but the disturbance of the vital force which in itself is pure energy. If we try to understand what we call 'peculiar symptoms' in a remedy, we will realise that it is the key to the understanding of this particular remedy. Hahnemann says that all substances are able, in any human being, to elicit symptoms and even in those who do not show any sensitivity to it, there is a reaction although not apparent! He did not realise that, when given in higher potency, the medicine is not going to show its peculiarity as it does with lower potencies on the physical level, regardless of the prover, but is going to bring forward the idiosyncrasy of the person. The substance is going to influence the prover in such a way that; Only his tendencies, his peculiarities, his predisposition will appear. The peculiarity of the remedy being in the description of its dynamic action (see Sherr who, for example, says that Sepia has the feeling of losing something and as a reaction must hold on. This is the essence of the remedy shown on the physical as well as the mental level). If one can grasp this principle, one will have to admit that in our Materia Medica many symptoms are not needed. It is difficult to accept and it requires a radical departure from our intellectual way of understanding the universe. The change will taken place slowly because most of our pharmacopoeia has not been thoroughly proved. We still have to rely on data collated during two hundred years of homeopathy and we still have to speculate upon the few mental symptoms known to us. It means also that we will have to evolve a new Materia Medica, a more dynamic Materia Medica which will present the proper idiosyncrasy of the remedy and not the symptoms arising from peculiar tendencies of the prover (idiosyncrasy). Hence the trend nowadays of extensive provings. They are welcome and the emphasis of these provings should be more on the dynamic symptoms (Sherr), either physical or mental, which clearly identify the substance.

What consideration shall we give to the physical symptoms?
Physical symptoms are very important, but what is important is not whether they can cure such and such a condition, but to know their dynamics. To understand, as we do while studying the mental symptoms, what they mean and how they progress or regress. Physical symptoms will have to be studied: both the tendencies (sycotic, syphilitic) and the particular symptoms will have to be explained, to be understood. Behind their particularity lies the dynamic of the remedy. We have often not been able to explain why a peculiar symptom arises during a proving and how it leads to the core of a remedy. Very few homeopaths have tried to understand it that way. Hahnemann says that we should give importance to peculiar symptoms but he never said that we should not try to understand them. Take Cocculus for example: everybody knows it is a remedy for sea-sickness. What does it mean? To be at sea is to be on an unstable base (unlike being on earth). Cocculus is a person suffering from disorientation because of his incapacity to grasp the meaning of his live. The situation gets worse as soon as the routine is disturbed, e.g. a family member is sick, hence the Fear of sudden events, Anxiety about relatives. This person needs stability in order to survive! Otherwise he finds himself in a state of confusion, dullness (Mind: Indolence, difficulties in face of). We are talking about a lively person who can be overwhelmed by an insult and who never knows whether she has done right or wrong. (Mind: Delusion, crime committed a. Mind: Dreams, crimes). When her life is uneventful, there is exaltation, when difficulties appear there is introspection and a lack of reaction. The Cocculus patient is easily disturbed, easily loses his balance in life (which is translated on the physical level by vertigo). It is not the loss of sleep which brings the disease but the disturbance in itself; the fact of not being able to differentiate between a serious situation which requires proper reaction and an innocuous situation. The pathogenesis of Cocculus presents vertigo, tremors, sensation of hollowness, emptiness, which is the replica of the Cocculus state of mind. This is the dynamic aspect of the remedy, whoever proves it will experience this inability to react to adverse circumstances (be it benign). There is one dynamic, but many ways of expressing it, depending on the provers, and once we understand it, through studies of rigorous provings, we can rely on it to prescribe the remedy, even if the disease we want to cure does not appear in its pathogenesis.

The new approach
If we understand the dynamics of each remedy, we will give ourselves the opportunity to prescribe for those cases classified as acute, or specifics. We will be able to understand the subtle mechanism behind the symptoms, as Clarke said 'but those, whose knowledge of Camphor is confined to its coarser actions, will never understand what a great remedy it is when used according to its fine symptomatic indications and given in the higher potencies'. I am only repeating what others have said before me, and to calm down your rebellious spirits, I must again quote Masi: 'In order to avoid an intellectual or a fundamental confusion, I want to say that we do not deny the fact that the general and characteristic symptoms of a patient can individualise the patient, what we claim is that they do not help us to understand him'. Sankaran went even further in his understanding of remedies and tries to understand them according to their kingdom and miasm, in studying them at the dynamic level, at the level of their action and not at the level of their reaction. I think we should think it over and try to evolve a new Materia Medica based on these facts and cured cases. We have to prove more and more remedies and to study them directly from the collated data, to be able to use the same expression as the provers, to reach the metaphysical level of the drug (Scholten) and to prescribe for the dynamic disturbance and not for the disease.”

[Homoeopathic Links (_Hom_links) 1997 Autumn
Evolution of homoeopathic materia medica based on rigorous provings Patrick Brillant, India]

 

[manioberoi]

Now you are contradicting your self. You earlier said, twice for emphasis, even, that a proving cannot be replicated.

Now, either there is a finite set of symptoms associated with a given remedy, in which case a proving can obviously be replicated,

or,

a proving cannot be replicated, in which case there cannot be a finite set of symptoms associated with a given remedy.

Please make up you mind, which is it? You can't have both.

Hans

"at any point in time"

 

[manioberoi]

"Anecdotal" references to homeopathy and syphilis

That is what the button with the double quote button is for on the lower left hand corner. Near the "quote" button.

Hit the double quote button on each post you wish to be quoted in your reply. Then at the bottom of the page hit the "Reply to Thread" button. In a few seconds you will have a reply box with all the quotes in it ready for you to edit.

Now here is a question I would like answered:

One of the miasms that Hahnemann identified was syphilis. We can assume that he treated persons with syphilis, and there is most likely historical data to show how homeopaths have treated syphilis over the last two centuries.

I want to know how effective homeopaths have been in treating syphilis versus the use of antibiotics for primary stage syphilis.



CASE E. E., Some Clinical experiences of E. E. Case (cea1)
Department of homeopathic philosophy
A HOMEOPATHIC TITAN
Royal E. S. Hayes, M.D. , Waterbury, Conn.


"I well remember a case of syphilis which I took to him while yet in the first stage. When he saw it he said: "You cannot cure this at once. You will have to go along with it and shorten it up as you go." I left the case to his control and he gave some remedy or other that brought it out on the skin with great fury. It remained on the skin but changed type rapidly and he followed it up with one remedy after another as the symptoms changed and in four or five months the entire condition was gone. Two children became infected from this slatternly fellow, one on the thigh and cheek and the other in and about the eye. He began with Syphilinum in one an Muriatic acid in the other and followed up with one remedy after another the same as with the man for six to seven months. These children are now grown up an not a symptomatic taint of syphilis has appeared since. The way these three cases were followed up mostly from symptoms of the skin lesions as they changed from time to time is a marvel to me to this day."


CLARKE J. H., Radium as an Internal Remedy (c11)
"Radium bromatum
Case
Mr. M. T., aged 28, had had syphilis seven years before, and had still some faint symptoms of it about him........
On December 1st Rad. bro. Was again given, but without good result. On October 1st following it again did good for a time. In this case the relief was only temporary."

FARRINGTON E. A., Lesser Writings (with Therapeutic Hints and Some Clinical Cases) (fr3)

"Cholesterinum

Case
Whatever may be said against the class of remedies, or remedies of which this is a sample, I, for the one, will ever feel grateful towards Dr. Jeanes for introducing this bile of the Terrapin, Cholos. Terrapin. He recommends it for "cramps in the calves", a symptom it has often removed. Quite recently, I gave it in a case of Secondary Syphilis with these cramps as a prominent symptom. In three weeks, the sore-throat, pains in bones and cramps disappeared, and four or five vesicles formed at the site of the old Chancre. These have disappeared, leaving the patient apparently well. In olden times, Terrapin was used in venereal diseases.

Syphilis
Mercurius iodatus flavus

Case
I can testify that high potencies will cure Syphilis, and potentized Mercurial preparations will produce symptoms similar to those of Syphilis; the Iodide of Mercury in the one-thousandth potency has produced a pimple or papule which resembles a hard Chancre; and this same Iodide of Mercury, given in repeated doses for days continually, has cured this kind of Chancre in a number of instances. It has also cured a secondary sore-throat which was developed six or seven weeks afterwards, but which on the continuance of the medicine disappeared and for nine years was not been seen.

I have also produced similar results with the five-hundredth potency, getting an ulcer that looked as though it were punched out at the top; of this I am positive from my own personal observation, and I know this to be the case in the experience of Dr. Macfarlan of this city, who has proved this thing by experiments, and whose cures I have seen. "

GUANAVANTE S. M., The "Genius" of Homoeopathic Remedies (gvt2)
"Exercises with case studies
- 77. Congenital syphilis : A child, about four months old, had congenital syphilis, such as the old school consider necessarily fatal.

- The child had sores all over.
- He could not bear to be touched or approached.
- Rx_________ cured him right along.
- Now, five years of age, he is bright and healthy."

HOYNE T. S., Clinical Therapeutics (he1) Volume 1

"Phosphorus
Syphilis
- CASE 219
- Darkey, with syphilis, the disease destroying the hair, skin and bone of the crown of the head.
- Had tried all sorts of treatment without benefit.
- Phos. 200 was given daily, with constant improvement for three months, when we lost sight of him.
- I have no doubt that he was cured by the treatment, as he was nearly well when we last saw him.
- Hoyne.

Rhus toxicodendron
Syphilis
- Occasionally we find this drug useful in secondary and tertiary syphilis.

- CASE 248
- Secondary syphilis.
- Sweat in second sleep for a month;
- aching in glans penis;
- after urination a few drops escape.
- Cured by one dose of Rhus 200 and a few doses of the 3d, which patient took on his own account.
- Dr. E.W. Berridge.

Sulphur
Syphilis

- CASE 326
- Hereditary syphilis.
- Miss T., aged thirteen, had been afflicted from infancy with a syphilitic skin eruption appearing upon the bend of the elbows, and spreading over a large portion of the arms and body.
- Sulphur 200 was prescribed, once a week, for two months.
- After the second dose the eruption came out over her entire body, remained for ten or twelve days, and gradually passed away, leaving at the end of ten weeks no trace of the disease.
- Medical Advance.

- CASE 327
- W., aged eighteen.
- Syphilitic ulcers in throat;
- swelling of the testicles, left one hanging down.
- Soreness in the epigastrium;
- pain in the stomach, relieved by evacuating the bowels;
- feces watery. - Wakes often at night.
- Sulphur 81000, one dose.
- Twenty days afterwards, a chancre appeared on the penis, which lasted two weeks.
- But the one dose was given, and a cure resulted. - Dr. geo. f. Foote.

- CASE 328
- Rupia.
- L., aged forty-two, had syphilis five or six years ago.
- Eruption and sores upon his arms and chest, worst upon the former, commencing as small vesicles filled with serum, maturing the pustules, and afterward covered with thick, dirty-looking scabs., often close together;
- arms itch very much when he gets warm.
- Sulphur 20 and 200, cured in a month.
- Dr. B.F. Betts.

Arsenicum album
Psoriasis

- CASE 781
- Mrs. R., aged thirty-four, contracted syphilis from her husband two years previous to treatment.
- Has now psoriasis plantaris and mucous tubercles in the vagina.
- Has been Homoeopathically treated with large doses of Mercury.
- Was confined eighteen months ago and lost her baby two weeks afterwards, it being covered with a syphilitic eruption, which the physician pronounced rose rash.
- Nitric. acid. 200, one dose a day for a week.
- Afterwards Ars. 200, one dose a day, was given for nearly if not quite six months.
- Confined Mrs. R., in November, 1875.
- Her baby has never shown any sign of syphilis, and is in appearance as healthy a baby as one can find anywhere.
- Mrs. R. has shown no signs of syphilis since she discontinued treatment at the dispensary.
- Hoyne.

Mercurius solubilis
Chancre
- We believe Mercurius cor. 30 or 200 is the best remedy for chancre if the patient has received no treatment whatever.
- Ichor firmly adheres to the bottom of the ulcer;
- grayish discharge.

- CASE 949
- John aged twenty-two, coachman, three days ago noticed a small sore on the prepuce, which he did not think amounted to much until he compared notes with other members of the fraternity.
- The discharge is slight in quantity, and of a grayish color.
- Has taken no medicine whatever. - Merc. cor. 200 every three hours.
- Entirely well in one week without other medicine.
- Hoyne.

- CASE 950
- S., carpenter, aged thirty-two, has a small Hunterian chancre on the prepuce.
- First noticed it day before yesterday, eight days after an impure connection.
- Merc. cor. 200 every three hours cured in less than a week.
- Hoyne.

- CASE 951
- Of 800 or 1000 cases, all were cured by Merc. sol. 4 to 6, night and morning, one dose.
- Dr. J. Schneider.

- CASE 952
- Gentleman aged thirty-five has been syphilitic at various times, and always taken large doses of Mercury.
- Small ulcers on edge of preputium, great deal of inflammation around it, and much itching.
- Merc. viv. 200, one dose cured.
- Dr. Ad. Lippe.

- CASE 954
- Chancre and secondary syphilis, as enlargement of the glands;
- psoriasis upon the nape of the neck; - nodes upon the tibia sensitive to pressure; - angina faucium with gray ulceration, hoarseness, fetor of breath, cured by Merc. sol. - Dr. Arcularius.

- CASE 955
- Mr. M. aged forty-six, contracted about eight months ago a small ulcer on the glans, bearing all the signs of a true chancre.
- Ulcer was touched with caustic, and lint soaked in a solution corrosive sublimate was applied to it.
- In seven or eight days, a dirty-brown cicatrix was formed.
- He was pronounced cured. - Four weeks had elapsed when throat began to be painful on swallowing, patient thought he had taken cold;
- increased secretion of saliva, peculiar taste in mouth;
- small round ulcers appeared on palate, tonsils, and glans.
- The syphilitic specialist ordered gargles and decoctions of Sarsaparilla, still the throat grew rapidly worse in spite of the treatment.
- I found tonsils much swollen;
- arch of the fauces swollen; - both were affected with roundish ulcers, the size of half a nail, whose lardaceous cream-like surface was somewhat depressed;
- uvula thickened and elongated;
- gums spongy, bleeding easily;
- color of hard palate, soft palate and uvula is a dirty reddish-brown;
- swallowing painful;
- great collection of saliva;
- taste metallic.
- Patient took, for a few weeks, Merc. sol., Hahn., 2d and 3rd trituration, morning and evening.
- The chancres, which returned at the glans toward the end of the third week, I left untouched;
- they healed within from six to eight days, reappeared after a while, in order to heal again equally fast.
- Most stubbornly up to the tenth week, the puffiness of palatine arches and swelling of tonsils continued, likewise their reddish-brown color;
- in consequence of which, swallowing was difficult.
- Under Merc. praecip. rub., 2d trit., there appeared, in eight to ten days, a normal color and formation of the different parts of the throat, and complete health.
- Dr. Watze.

Ulceration of cervix uteri
- Dr. D.A. Gorton reports the following :

- CASE 960 (Mercurius solubils)
- An excrescence at the os uteri causing constant sanguineous stillicidium, and caused by syphilis was radically cured by the steady use of Merc. sol. 200.
- Thuja 200 produced only improvement.
- Dr. Meurer.

Nitricum acidum
Gonorrhoeal and syphilitic ophthalmia

- CASE 975
- Syphilitic ophthalmia.
- Eye was exceedingly painful, burning;
- it looked yellow;
- conjunctiva was standing out here and there;
- eye was opaque, and seemed filled with a yellow fluid.
- Nit. ac. 200, two doses, cured in two days.
- Dr. C.J. Hempel.

Iritis
- Iritis, especially syphilitic, for relapses.

- CASE 976
- Syphilitic iritis.
- On lying down, or even inclining head from the upright position, feeling as if warm water was flowing over and both eyes, first right, then left, relieved by cold water.
- Nit. ac. 200 cured.
- Dr. E.. Berridge.

Buboes
- Buboes after the failure or abuse of mercury.

- CASE 1000
- Mr. G., aged thirty-five, has had syphilis for four years.
- Does not wish to take Mercury as he has found out that it has been a damage rather than a benefit to him.
- At the present time has rupial sores on the forehead and scalp (eight or ten) from one-half to three-fourth inches in diameter and one-fourth to one-half inches in height.
- No particular pain anywhere.
- Bowels constipated.
- Gave him Nit. ac. 200 to counteract the Mercury, (six pills morning and noon) and Sulphur 200 for the constipation (six pills at bedtime).
- Nov. 6th, constipation entirely relieved.
- Rupial sores about the same.
- Ars. 200, six pills twice a day.
- Dec. 27th, scabs have fallen off the flesh underneath looks very well indeed.
- Medicine continued every night at bedtime.
- Jan. 3, 1875, no signs of sores about the forehead or head.
- Feels well with the exception of slight pains in the limbs at night and in damp weather.
- Considering these pains due to the Mercury he had received Nit. ac. 200 every three hours was ordered.
- In two weeks he reported cured.
- Duration of treatment eighty-six days.
- Have seen the patient frequently since, even as late as Dec. 1877, and he has no signs of syphilis about him.
- Hoyne.

- CASE 1001
- M., aged forty, contracted syphilis six weeks ago.
- Has received plenty of Homoeopathic treatment;
- for instance Merc. iod. 1x, Merc. sol. 1x, Merc. cor. 1x, etc., etc.
- Was partially salivated, but his chancre has grown larger;
- is situated on head of penis, is about the size of the thumb nail and is discharging a copious yellow slime.
- Paraphymosis is a distressing accompaniment. - Prepuce seems to be filled with a large quantity of water.
- Apis 200 every two hours.
- Life if any improvement followed this prescription.
- Paraphymosis grew worse.
- Rhus 200 every two hours.
- Nit. ac. (1 to 200) was applied as a dressing to the chancre.
- Considerable improvement followed this prescription which was kept up for several weeks.
- Nit. ac. 200 was used after the paraphymosis had subsided and a perfect cure followed.
- Hoyne.

Impotence
- Nitric acid. has been used successfully, but Lycopodium is a far better remedy.

- CASE 1002
- R., aged twenty-seven, had gonorrhoea which yielded to Copaiva.
- Afterwards a condylomata appeared which Thuja 200 failed to relieve.
- In fact five other condylomata appeared which grew rapidly.
- The medicine was suspended five weeks, and still they grew larger and larger.
- No pain but frequent pollutions.
- Nit. ac. 200 one dose cured completely in sixteen days.
- Dr. Ad. Fellger.

- CASE 1003
- Mrs. B., aged forty.
- Syphilitic laryngitis, with almost complete aphonia.
- Nit. ac. cured in about four months.
- Hoyne.

- CASE 1004
- Sloughing of the entire integument of the penis and prepuce;
- a fistulous ulcer, one inch posterior to the corona glandis, extending into the urethra, and a very unhealthy, or phagedenic, ulcerated condition of the entire diseased surface.
- Had been discharged as incurable from one of the large hospitals of Philadelphia.
- Dressed the parts with sweet oil.
- Nit. ac. 200 cured.
- Dr. H.N. Guernsey.

- CASE 1005
- M., aged thirty--five.
- Ulcerated sore throat;
- had syphilis four years ago;
- three large deep ulcers, with bluish margins and red centres near root of tongue;
- tonsils nearly sloughed off;
- pain from taking the least nourishment;
- foul odor from mouth.
- Nit. ac. 6 cured in two weeks.
- Dr. W.T. Edmundson.

- CASE 1006
- W., aged nineteen, has had syphilis six months, which is made painful by exercise and damp weather.
- Not so painful when warm in bed.
- The end of the prepuce is in fissures;
- phymosis.
- He had been using Mercury and injections for several months without effect.
- Nit. ac. 5m, two doses, cured in two months.
- Dr. Geo. F. Foote.

HOYNE T. S., Clinical Therapeutics (he1) Volume 2

"Asa foetida
Syphilis

- CASE 97
- Tertiary syphilis in a man aged forty.
- Large ulcer upon the right leg with a bluish, hard edge, painful to the touch;
- nightly pains in the tibiae;
- bone very sensitive to touch.
- Nit. ac. 200 benefited him for a while.
- Afterward Asaf. 200 cured.
- Hoyne.

Petroleum
Venereal diseases

- CASE 362
- Secondary syphilis with brown spots on the arms, neck and chest, and lower limbs;
- also falling off of the hair and rheumatic stiffness of the shoulders and ankles.
- Petr. 200 produced a radical cure.
- Dr. J. B. Bell.

Thuja occidentalis
Syphilitic iritis

- Here it may be given for large, wart-like excrescences on the iris, with severe, sharp, sticking pains in the eye, aggravated at night, and ameliorated by warmth.

- CASE 393
- Syphilitic iritis, with inflammation and condylomatous growth upon the iris, with nearly total occlusion of pupil.
- Thuj. 30 and 200 cured.
- Dr. A. K. Hills.

Warts

- CASE 433
- A boy, having upon his person fourteen warts, called for treatment;
- examined the diathesis and concluded it to be syphilitic, warts being large, pedunculated and ragged.
- I prescribed Thuj. 500, a powder on rising and retiring.
- In one week they became very much swollen, and in another had entirely disappeared.
- Dr. S. R. Waugh.

- CASE 434
- In a great many cases treated for warts with Thuj. 30 and Thuj. 200, I have noted the fact that the majority are cured in seven weeks.
- Many cases require a much longer time.
- An old man who had syphilitic warts for many years, and had taken much Iodide of Potash and Mercury, required nearly two years treatment with Thuj. 30 and Thuj. 200, to cure him.
- Dr. I. S. Linsley.

Zincum metallicum
Iritis

- CASE 443
- Syphilitic iritis.
- The pains did not come on until he lay down at night, and then would come profuse, hot, scalding lachrymation.
- The pains were dull;
- involved balls and brows;
- cannot sleep over ten minutes;
- he must wake with eyes full of burning water;
- no discharge of mucus or pus;
- indeed, rather dryness of conjunctiva, and ball and lids are much inflamed.
- The aggravation on lying is marked.
- Stilling. had removed the pains in the fore-arms and legs, but had not relieved the eyes.
- Arsen. and Merc. had not benefited him;
- Nux vom. gave him relief, but the first dose of Zinc. 200 worked wonders, and his eyes got rapidly well, and in three weeks could see No. 20 type at twenty feet, showing vision normal, though his eyes were weak after exercising them, and some slight aspersion of the iris to the capsule of the lens remained.
- Dr. T. F. Allen.

Lachesis mutus
Aphonia

- CASE 622
- In a very bad case of syphilitic phagedaena of the soft palate and fauces, which threatened to destroy the entire pharynx, the ulceration was arrested (by Lach.) and healed kindly.
- In the case of a lady who was recovering from a large pelvic abscess, which had caused a contraction of the psoas muscle, drawing the knee up toward the abdomen.
- Lach. removed the contraction in a very short time. (B. J. H. 1873, p. 127.)

Aurum metallicum

- CASE 1039
Syphilitic hyperostoses of cranial bones
- Had chancres four years ago;
- has also had gonorrhoea;
- has been under treatment during the past two years without deriving any benefit, he having been apparently treated with tonics;
- "weakness and headache" were his complaints, and no one, he says, ever questioned him about his previous history.
- Has not, it would seem, had Mercury at all.
- Patient is a short, thick-set man, of strongish build;
- his appearance strikes one as very cachectic;
- he is anaemic, but not emaciated : he is very dull and low-spirited;
- his tongue is very large, deeply notched at its margins by the teeth, and very pale;
- breath does not smell badly;
- he cannot wear his hat, as his head is larger than it used to be, and it is likewise very tender.
- He says the pains in his head are very, very bad, and they torment him these two years;
- they are truly fearful in the night;
- he also complains of pains in the long bones, worse at night, and worse in the left side of the body.
- On examining the hairy scalp three tophi are discovered about the size of hazel nuts;
- there is also a large tophus in the region of the left frontal protuberance, about the size of a split walnut, but rather flatter.
- Aurum mur. 3x, one pilule every four hours.
- My patient's bony tumors were also more painful when touched;
- so tender, indeed, that he could not bear the pressure of his hat.
- Aur. cured.
- Dr. J. C. Burnett.

Ozaena
- Aurum metallicum acts especially on the bones of the head and face, and in syphilitic ozaena, and caries of the nasal bones, is the remedy par excellence.

- CASE 1043
- In one case which I recall to mind, the patient, a man aet forty-six, with syphilitic caries and ozaena, who had been under homoeopathic treatment for a period of three or more years without any improvement, but getting worse all the time, so that he talked of committing suicide, and did actually attempt it, was entirely cured in about two months with Aurum 30th.
- His wife who had syphilitic psoriasis took Ars. 200 with great benefit.

- CASE 1046
- Dr. Hendricks Sr., spoke about ozaena, an ulcerous process in the nose, with greenish-yellow discharge mixed with blood.
- Aurum has been much recommended, but is useless unless the nasal bones are affected.
- He cured a gentleman who had been treated allopathically a long time.
- The nasal bones were swollen, the root of the nose was sunken, the discharge was not profuse but was so offensive that as the patient came into the ante-room, in a few minutes all the people ran out.
- Possibly syphilis was at the bottom of it.

Syphilis

- CASE 1053
Tertiary
- cured by Aurum 3, four times a day.
- Weak solution of Carbolic acid topically.
- Dr. Hamilton Rickaby.

- CASE 1054
- Mrs. A., aged thirty-two.
- Norwegian by birth, first came to the hospital for treatment early in July, 1877.
- Three years before (1874) she had a large ulcer on the leg, which was treated allopathically for many months and finally healed, leaving a large cicatrix.
- Soon after, or a little over a year ago (1876), another ulcer made its appearance upon the other leg in the neighborhood of the ankle, which has continued to grow in circumference.
- Three months before she came to the dispensary (April, 1877), the nose became affected and ulceration soon took place.
- I elicited the fact that some years ago she had a few little sores about the external genital organs, which disappeared after a time, she meanwhile using some sort of ointment.
- The ulceration about the nose involved, to a certain extent, the nasal bones.
- The skin of the face, especially under the eye and in the immediate neighborhood of the large ulcer, has a coppery-red color, resembling somewhat an erysipelatous inflammation.
- This color is not confined to the left side of the face, but passes over the nose and is most marked just below the right eye.
- There is no pain or tenderness anywhere except when slight pressure is made over the nasal bones.
- Although the ulceration is confined to the left side of the face and nose, slight pressure over the bone upon the right side occasions some pain, showing that side is involved to a certain extent.
- In the mouth another large ulcer on the hard palate which also involves the bone and, at one time, communicated with the nasal passage.
- The patient at first complained of a discharge into the mouth through this opening - the discharge consisting of nasal mucus and pus.
- This is no longer the case now as the opening or sinus seems to have become obliterated.
- We have two other ulcers, a large and a small one upon the ankle.
- When we first saw this sore it presented an indolent appearance, was covered with a thick, lardaceous matter, with pale, flabby granulations;
- had a foul smell and showed no disposition whatevertoheal.
- In fact it was constantly extending in circumference.
- Nitric acid 30.
- Slight improvement followed this prescription.
- I now selected as being specific to syphilitic affections of the nasal bones, Aurum m., which was given in the 6th three times a day.
- Under the influence of this remedy the patient improved from week to week, so far as the face and nose were concerned.
- On July 22, a piece of bone about as thick as the thumb nail, and three-eighths of an inch square, was exfoliated and discharged through the nasal opening.
- Ever since then this ulcer has gradually been growing smaller until now when it is about two-thirds the size of the original sore.
- This patient was still improving under this prescription the last time we saw her.
- Hoyne."


HUGHES R., A Manual of Therapeutics: According to the Method of Hahnemann (hs5)
'Letter XIII
General diseases
The venereal maladies
Syphilis

I have given these citations at some length, because it cannot fail to be a serious question with you whether homoeopathy has anything better to offer in the treatment of tertiary syphilis than the full doses of iodide of potassium to which you have been accustomed. When rapidity of action is required, as in painful nodes, or when gummata are exciting neuralgia, epilepsy, or paralysis, I think that the common practice can hardly be excelled, and is imperative upon us for our patients' sake.

The other anti syphilitics, and also asyphilitics (to use Hahnemann's nomenclature), may come in when indicated, as the following case, taken from the North American Journal of Homoeopathy, will show,-demonstrating at the same time how much may be done in confirmed syphilis by pure homoeopathic medication:-

"A Portuguese, about thirty years of age, had been in the hospital at Lahaina for eighteen months; during this time he passed through all stages of the syphilitic virus. When he arrived at Honolulu, the first day of July, he exhibited the most loathsome and disgusting appearance. The right side of his face was covered with a most foetid ulcer of the tertiary form of syphilis: it developed itself over the right eye, down the outer angle and under the eye to the nose, extending to the mouth over the whole cheek, leaving the malar bone entirely bare and dry. There was carious affection of the frontal bone, extending over the right eye around to the temporal bone; the malar and nasal bones were more or less destroyed by the disease. The right eye was entirely closed. These ulcers were discharging a very foetid and offensive watery fluid, and had a dark-red appearance. In addition to all this he had ascites, and was greatly bloated; from this he had suffered for the last six months. The ulcers were very painful; darting and gnawing pain, burning through the whole of the ulcerated surface, as he expressed it, as if there were red-hot needles sticking in the ulcers.

"For these symptoms I selected Ars. alb. third, three doses a day for three days, which greatly relieved the burning and mitigated the pain; but he was not relieved from the pain wholly until he took Belladonna, third, three or four doses. After these two remedies ceased to improve, I gave Acid. nit. morning and evening; improvement followed; after the first week I gave but one dose per day, for two weeks. Under the action of these remedies, the ulcers put on a more healthy appearance, until the end of three weeks, when I could not discover any improvement. I then gave Aurum muriat., second, one dose per day. This seemed to stop all progress of caries, and the whole case looked favourable. I continued this remedy three weeks, with occasionally a dose of Sulphur, sixth. The healing of the ulcers was steady and permanent. His general health improved, appetite good. The digestive organs completely restored. The urinary secretion became normal, he gained strength and flesh. A few doses of Hepar sulph., and Ars. alb., sixth, were then given at intervals of three or four days. These last remedies removed all symptoms of dropsy and venereal disease about him. A more grateful person I never saw." '

 

[manioberoi]

I just noticed that while trying to clarify your "MAY", you had to resort to the use of "seem" ... are you actually sure about any of this?!? Or is it considered "good homeopathic practice" to just make it up as you go along?

While you have been merrily wandering through your own illogical view of the world, you seem to have stated above that no physical testing of homoeopathy is possible ... and yet in your earlier post #520 (the one you explicitly refered me back to read), you came up with the following ...



Please make your mind up - can the effects of homoeopathy be tested or not?

physical ONLY as in "chemical composition" of the diluted remedy beyond 12C or 24X.

The rest of the physical world is certainly applicable.

 

[Rolfe]

.... I want to know how effective homeopaths have been in treating syphilis versus the use of antibiotics for primary stage syphilis.

.... reams of unverifiable historical verbiage with no evidence either of the accuracy of the diagnoses or a causal effect of the nostrums administered ....

Will you answer the lady's actual question, for pity's sake??!!!

Rolfe.

 

[manioberoi]

Will you answer the lady's actual question, for pity's sake??!!!

Rolfe.

Since she wished to go back 200 years..........................

On a more serious note most good homeopaths do appreciate the importance of the pathologist, radiologist & c. They also consider the public health point of view, and should not hesitate to direct suitable cases to a conventional medical facility.

Today, a case of syphilis (primary) clearly needs referral to a conventional medical facility.

That is not to say that syphilis is not treatable homeopathically. All I am saying is that on ethical and legal considerations a case of syphilis, as of today, be referred to conventional medical facility.

Antibiotics are effective in syphilis; unfortunately they do not remove 100 percent of the T. pallidum as has been accepted by Dr Anthony Campbell in British Homoeopathic Journal Volume 68, Number 4, October 1979.

 

[kieran]

One of the miasms that Hahnemann identified was syphilis. We can assume that he treated persons with syphilis, and there is most likely historical data to show how homeopaths have treated syphilis over the last two centuries.

I want to know how effective homeopaths have been in treating syphilis versus the use of antibiotics for primary stage syphilis.

CASE E. E.,
...
[snipped out lots of irrelevant crap]
...
CLARKE J. H.,
...
[snipped out some more irrelevant crap]
...
FARRINGTON E. A.,
...
[snipped out even more irrelevant crap]
...
GUANAVANTE S. M.,
...
[snipped out even more irrelevant crap]
...
HOYNE T. S., Clinical Therapeutics (he1) Volume 1
...- CASE 248
...- CASE 326
[you can guess what happened here...]

Despite all the irrelevant crap you obviously copy-pasted ... you point blank missed off answering the actual question ... versus the use of antibiotics for primary stage syphilis ...

I thought we had already established that a control was essential to determine whether there is any effect due to homoeopathic remedies ... but all you do is keep loading up our screen with sh!te displaying your lack of understanding of this point.

None of the pointless "CASE studies" you listed has the basic elements involved to determine anything of interest to anyone. Why did you list them? What did you hope to achieve? Did you think we would all suddenly say ... "gosh, there are lots of stories around ... homoeopathy must be right in that case"?

 

[Lothian]

On a more serious note most good homeopaths do appreciate the importance of the pathologist, radiologist & c. They also consider the public health point of view, and should not hesitate to direct suitable cases to a conventional medical facility.

Can you define suitable cases? Where the patient is Ill perhaps ?

 

[manioberoi]

Despite all the irrelevant crap you obviously copy-pasted ... you point blank missed off answering the actual question ... versus the use of antibiotics for primary stage syphilis ...

I thought we had already established that a control was essential to determine whether there is any effect due to homoeopathic remedies ... but all you do is keep loading up our screen with sh!te displaying your lack of understanding of this point.

None of the pointless "CASE studies" you listed has the basic elements involved to determine anything of interest to anyone. Why did you list them? What did you hope to achieve? Did you think we would all suddenly say ... "gosh, there are lots of stories around ... homoeopathy must be right in that case"?

Not at all - I was fully aware of non acceptance of ALL of the published materia medica and ALL of the homeopathic trials published in any journal except those which subscribe to the viewpoint (of the drug majors?) :

"that homeopathy is placebo and can never be proven to work and hence does not work and is a fraud."

 

[MRC_Hans]

*snip*
KINDLY CONFIRM.

We may then be able to evolve the discussion further.

I hereby confirm that I stand by any and every post I have made in this thread, and on this forum, and everywhere else on the internet.

An occasional post of mine may have been made with the intent of joking, but I stand by that as well.


..... What do you mean, you need us to confirm? If you can use what we wrote, then present your next starement, and the discussion will automatically commence.

Hans

 

[kieran]

Since she wished to go back 200 years..........................

I think we are all wondering why there doesn't seem to be a single shred of credible evidence over that time scale. I think 200 years gives you the maximum period over which to present your evidence, but you can limit yourself to recent studies if you want to keep the scope more manageable.

On a more serious note most good homeopaths do appreciate the importance of the pathologist, radiologist & c. They also consider the public health point of view, and should not hesitate to direct suitable cases to a conventional medical facility.

Today, a case of syphilis (primary) clearly needs referral to a conventional medical facility.

That is not to say that syphilis is not treatable homeopathically. All I am saying is that on ethical and legal considerations a case of syphilis, as of today, be referred to conventional medical facility.

None of us give two hoots about whether you think there is a place for "conventional" medicine in treating illnesses - we are all wondering why you don't appear to realize that there is no proof what so ever that there is a place for homoeopathic medicine there ...

Antibiotics are effective in syphilis; unfortunately they do not remove 100 percent of the T. pallidum as has been accepted by Dr Anthony Campbell in British Homoeopathic Journal Volume 68, Number 4, October 1979.

So a homoeopath has conducted a study on the efficacy of conventional medicine ...

• Did he apply the same loose protocols that get applied to homoeopathic research by homoeopaths?
• Has he conducted any properly controlled trials (see our previous posts to remind yourself what that actually involves) on the effect of homoeopathy on the percentage of T. pallidum and compared it with a placebo group?

If he hasn't done the latter then why did you add this to your list of pointless references?

 

[manioberoi]

Can you define suitable cases? Where the patient is Ill perhaps ?

Even dangerously ill cases where ALL conventional medicine has failed have been cured by homeopathy.

However current ethical and legal standards demand that a homeopath direct ALL critically ill persons to a conventional medical facility. Not to do so would invite strictest action from the authorities as also the (in India) the CCH(Central Council for Homeopathy).

 

[MRC_Hans]

EASILY EXPLAINED:

“opposition of ideas between the paragraph 32, 117, 136 and 138. *sniiiiiiiiip*
to prescribe for the dynamic disturbance and not for the disease.”

[Homoeopathic Links (_Hom_links) 1997 Autumn
Evolution of homoeopathic materia medica based on rigorous provings Patrick Brillant, India]

I'm sorry, I'm NOT going to struggle through a jumble of Hahemann quotes, mixed with comments with no marking. I have read the Organon 3-4 times, that is quite enough, thank you.

Note that most of us are able to express our opinion in a few paragraps. Please practice that.

Hans

 

[Rolfe]

Even dangerously ill cases where ALL conventional medicine has failed have been cured by homeopathy have unexpectedly got better on their own.

There, fixed that for you.

Rolfe.

 

[SYLVESTER1592]

physical ONLY as in "chemical composition" of the diluted remedy beyond 12C or 24X.

The rest of the physical world is certainly applicable.

This answer makes no sense at all... Try again:
Please make your mind up - can the effects of homoeopathy be tested or not?

Explain why or why not...

Quote: "The rest of the physical world is certainly applicable".
What does that mean?
1) the rest of the world is applicable: you choose to apply the world???
2) There are non-physical influences? What are they? Do you have evidence of them?

Quote:"physical ONLY as in "chemical composition" of the diluted remedy beyond 12C or 24X.

1)What non-physical evidence proves homeopathy works?
2) So only the diluted remedy can be tested, but not the dilution itself (which is the actual treatment)?

Being mysterious is being wrong. Be correct, precise and clear and above all honest. A non-straight forward reply does not constitute an answer

SYL

PS. You still haven't answered my previous post

 

[kieran]

Not at all - I was fully aware of non acceptance of ALL of the published materia medica and ALL of the homeopathic trials published in any journal except those which subscribe to the viewpoint (of the drug majors?) :

"that homeopathy is placebo and can never be proven to work and hence does not work and is a fraud."

I see ... you have now moved on to the "defence by conspiracy theory" approach.

You are implying that "published materia medica" has deliberately with-held "all" studies that use accepted protocols and conclusively prove that homoeopathy works ... that is such obvious b@ll@cks of a smokescreen that I hope you are already embarassed by it - Did I denounce your long-winded and pathetic list because of where its contents were published? NO - I denounced the lack of proper protocols in those studies.

We have already described simple ways that you could convince us - these involve proper controls, not just rambling anecdotes. Homoeopaths are free to publish the results of properly controlled studies in the homoeopathic literature - yet no-one has done so ... I think even you can make the next logical step ...

You don't appear to be listening to, or understanding, the points being made to you by posters on this board ... if homoeopathy works - great - lets prove it and all move on to bigger and better things ... otherwise ...

Your latest invented obstacle .. the conspriacy theory ... should be consigned to the dustbin without further ado. I know you'll have another excuse coming ... shall we move on to it?