The 9/11 Conspiracy Facts

mjd1982 said:
It would be instructibe to sum up our conducts on this thread.
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Excellent.

You: Base your entire argument on opinion and logical fallacies. Don't understand the difference between speculation and fact. Unable to do the most basic research. Refuse to see evidence that directly refutes your claims. When your horribly flawed reasoning is pointed out to you, you insist that others are not honest and sensible. Believe whatever you think supports your position, even if it's not supported by any evidence at all. When caught lying, continue to tell the same lies. In short, a sad credophile.

Me: Asked if you had anything new to bring to the discussion. You didn't. Pointed out your errors of fact, your refusal to do basic research, and that your entire argument is based on opinion and logical fallacies. Pointed out your continued lies. In short, a skeptic who doesn't suffer fools gladly.
 
WildCat said:
I guarantee you someone will rob a bank in the Chicago metropolitan area within the next week, what should be done mjd1982?

I can also guarantee that there will be a gang murder this weekend in Chicago, what should be done? Can you answer these questions?
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For the former, strengthen security in banks in metropolitan Chicago
 
mjd1982 said:
What should Bush have done? Listen to what Bob Kerrey from the 911 Comm suggests:
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Do you know what Kerrey said about the Clinton Admin's efforts?

eta: ah screw it. I'm just going to give you a sample:
Bob Kerrey said:
Every single time I heard the [Clinton] administration come up before the intelligence committee that I was on, maybe just trying to keep doing what you had done for years before, it was we're going to send the FBI to investigate this stuff. And I would say, "My God, I don't understand this." They killed airmen in Khobar Towers. They attacked our facilities in East Africa. They attacked our sailors on the Cole. I don't understand and still today don't understand why the military wasn't given a dominant role.
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mjd1982 said:
Oh boy... Read here as I believe, you've been asked to do many times already:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84473&page=3
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Your statements of opinion have been noted several times. Sorry, the evidence does not show or suggest that in 2000 prominent neo-cons published a plan to slaughter thousands of Americans in a Pearl Harbor-like attack.

Excuse my impetuousness. But as stated earlier, since your guide is in essence, a defense of the absence of gov connivance, please respond to the points made at the top of the foreknowledge section.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84473&page=19
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My Loose Change guide iis a line-by-line examination of that video. I asked you to show me where your claim appears in Loose Change. As you know, it doesn't. I didn't discuss your claim because it's your claim. Should I have also discussed mini-nukes destroying the WTC?
 
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Jonnyclueless said:
Still wondering what one has to do with the other...I guess I'm just dense..

As for the warnings, prior to 9/11 the President (not just Bush) would receive 100s of warnings a day on possible threats. Knowing which ones to take seriously is not easy.

Tomorrow a crime will be committed. There you have your warning, now go stop it.
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Ok Jonny, my God...

Look. You have a document. It is, to an astonishing degree, a blueprint for the WOT (War On Terror). Not only does it state the individual elements, but also that they have to be pursued under one global banner, it should be crystalised in decision makers bminds by Oct 2001, and that they will take a long time absent a catastrophic and catalysing event like a new PH.

This doc is signed by many of the men who will be in charge of running and protecting the US on and up to 911. Now, there is a huge secutiry infrastructure in place, in order to stop a new PH happening. This means that the chances of one happening, absent gov complicity, are very small. With gov complicity wouldnt be hard, since they are the ones at the controls, right? So when this happens, and the gov has stated its propitiousness only 12 mths ago, something smells fishy, no? Further, when such occurs, bang in time as had been stated, things look very dodgy indeed. So let's move on, bearing this in mind.

When Bush came to power, he had been warned by the Clinton admin that AQ were a deadly and urgent threat. He was handed a doc by the counter terror czar, Dick Clarke, on 25th Jan, entitled "Strategies for dealing with AQ". Bearing in mind that AQ were th most likely people to do a new PH, Bush demoted Clarke the next day.

Bush was then offered OBL by the Taliban in Feb. He said no thanks.

He was then warned 40 times just at PDB's, just by Tenet, the DCI, of the imminient threat of an AQ attack. He did nothing. He was told that they were AQ cells in the US, and that they were plotting hijackings. He did nothing.

Read this
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&before_9/11=warnings
Watch this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zK-te3Y0m5A
And read "Against all enemies" by Dick Clarke.

This will all help u

ETA- Oh, and just to remind you, th argument here is that there is sufficient evidence of gov complicity to warrant an investigation into it.
 
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Gravy said:
Excellent.

You: Base your entire argument on opinion and logical fallacies. Don't understand the difference between speculation and fact. Unable to do the most basic research. Refuse to see evidence that directly refutes your claims. When your horribly flawed reasoning is pointed out to you, you insist that others are not honest and sensible. Believe whatever you think supports your position, even if it's not supported by any evidence at all. When caught lying, continue to tell the same lies. In short, a sad credophile.

Me: Asked if you had anything new to bring to the discussion. You didn't. Pointed out your errors of fact, your refusal to do basic research, and that your entire argument is based on opinion and logical fallacies. Pointed out your continued lies. In short, a skeptic who doesn't suffer fools gladly.
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Ok, your getting a bit tiresome now. Either address the points and be shown up, or evade them and have everyone on this board see you for the fraudster you would appear to be.
 
Gravy said:
Your statements of opinion have been noted several times. Sorry, the evidence does not show or suggest that in 2000 prominent neo-cons published a plan to slaughter thousands of Americans in a Pearl Harbor-like attack.

My Loose Change guide iis a line-by-line examination of that video. I asked you to show me where your claim appears in Loose Change. As you know, it doesn't. I didn't discuss your claim because it's your claim. Should I have also discussed mini-nukes destroying the WTC?
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Eugh....

as above. How pathetic.
 
For the former, strengthen security in banks in metropolitan Chicago
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What?

Are you implying that since the police in Chicago know that a bank will be robbed, all they have to do is 'strengthen security in banks' to prevent it?

Does that also mean that if another bank is robbed, which we KNOW will happen, that means there is some kind of conspiracy afoot? I mean seriously, all they had to do was strengthen security.

They knew one of the finite number of banks in the Chicago metro area was going to be robbed. The fact that one was still robbed despite this knowledge certainly is suspicious.
 
twinstead said:
Does that also mean that if another bank is robbed, which we KNOW will happen, that means there is some kind of conspiracy afoot?
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There must be! You know there's an average of 4 bank robberies a week in the Chicago area! OMGCONSPIRACY!!!!11!!1!11!1!!1
 
This is slightly tangential , but having just watched "La vita e bella", I feel I should state this-

Isnt it funny how in the 30's, German scientists, government scientists, all believed for real, that Aryans were the superior race. Examining quantitative data, they came to the same conclusions as their government. Ditto the roles of other leading, what one would have thought to have been , independent voices; much of clergy, academia etc. All sold to the Nazi ideals. I have touched on this before, and will do again, but it is something to think about perhaps.
 
mjd1982 said:
This is slightly tangential , but having just watched "La vita e bella", I feel I should state this-

Isnt it funny how in the 30's, German scientists, government scientists, all believed for real, that Aryans were the superior race. Examining quantitative data, they came to the same conclusions as their government. Ditto the roles of other leading, what one would have thought to have been , independent voices; much of clergy, academia etc. All sold to the Nazi ideals. I have touched on this before, and will do again, but it is something to think about perhaps.
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So they started with a conclusion and looked for evidence to support their conclusion, used what they could and ignored the rest.... ironic.
 
mjd1982 said:
This is slightly tangential , but having just watched "La vita e bella", I feel I should state this-

Isnt it funny how in the 30's, German scientists, government scientists, all believed for real, that Aryans were the superior race. Examining quantitative data, they came to the same conclusions as their government. Ditto the roles of other leading, what one would have thought to have been , independent voices; much of clergy, academia etc. All sold to the Nazi ideals. I have touched on this before, and will do again, but it is something to think about perhaps.
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You just Godwin'd your own thread... and this is completely irrelevant to 9/11 and also a nonsensical comparison.
 
WildCat said:
You just Godwin'd your own thread... and this is completely irrelevant to 9/11 and also a nonsensical comparison.
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Oh, but don't you see we're just like the Germans were? Blinded by false science? Only the TruthersTM know how things really work.
 
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