Proof of God

Beleth said:
That didn't answer my question. Arguments didn't convert you; a sensory experience converted you. Why would you think that arguments would convert anyone else, if they didn't convert you?
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No. Jesus appearing to me and revealing himself showed me the arguments and made them clear to me and then at that point I instantly understood them. Though it's very possible to understand them for anyone.
 
That still didn't answer my question.

Why would you think that arguments would convert anyone else, if they didn't convert you?
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
I never paid attention to them. You should.
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I'm about to say something I have no business saying, but let's just say I'm speaking on behalf of some Christian somewhere that you are in fellowship with.

Someone here is going to say you should pay more attention to you're arguments. I see now that that way is blocked for you. Assuming that you have had an actual Christian conversion and aren't just playing a game with us for the sake of the laugh track, I say pay more attention to Jesus and what he's about. Resist the temptation to become a Fundy. Follow the Spirit not the letter and the windmills of your mind.
 
And Dustin, would you say your experience was similar to Margery Wakefield's, at least in the description?
 
Darth Rotor said:
Is this comment an inverse of argumentum ad populum, or argument from "non-popularity?" :D
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Argumentum ad mulupop?

It would be if I was saying that this is why the "proof" is wrong.

I'm just saying that since Dustin's current tactics have a 100% failure rate, it is impossible for any other approach to do any worse.

Some haven't been coherent enough to reject, which takes us to "not even wrong."
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You can reject incoherent statements, you just can't refute them.

Do you think that is his purpose? To "get accepted?"
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Who knows? :boggled:
 
Hyparxis said:
I'm about to say something I have no business saying, but let's just say I'm speaking on behalf of some Christian somewhere that you are in fellowship with.

Someone here is going to say you should pay more attention to you're arguments. I see now that that way is blocked for you. Assuming that you have had an actual Christian conversion and aren't just playing a game with us for the sake of the laugh track, I say pay more attention to Jesus and what he's about. Resist the temptation to become a Fundy. Follow the Spirit not the letter and the windmills of your mind.
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Firstly, I take offense to the term "Fundy". It's clearly a pejorative and derogatory phrase meant to be insulting.

Secondly, I follow the holy bible including Jesus' teachings. The entire bible is the word of God and you can't just pay attention to some of it and ignore other parts of it. It's all or none in my opinion. Excluding the repudiated laws of course of the Old Testament which were Jewish tradition.
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
Firstly, I take offense to the term "Fundy". It's clearly a pejorative and derogatory phrase meant to be insulting.
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Yes Dustin. And with good cause.

Secondly, I follow the holy bible including Jesus' teachings. The entire bible is the word of God and you can't just pay attention to some of it and ignore other parts of it. It's all or none in my opinion. Excluding the repudiated laws of course of the Old Testament which were Jewish tradition.
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So is the Bible inerrant or not? Are the only errors those created when it was translated into English? Have you started believing in Noah's Ark since yesterday?
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
Firstly, I take offense to the term "Fundy". It's clearly a pejorative and derogatory phrase meant to be insulting.

Secondly, I follow the holy bible including Jesus' teachings. The entire bible is the word of God and you can't just pay attention to some of it and ignore other parts of it. It's all or none in my opinion. Excluding the repudiated laws of course of the Old Testament which were Jewish tradition.
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I apologise for my insensitivity.
I choose the wrong word and the wrong thing to say in the context.
 
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Dustin Kesselberg said:
Excluding the repudiated laws of course of the Old Testament which were Jewish tradition.
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Jesus said:
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
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Mat 5:17-18. There aren't any repudiated laws, sorry.
 
Dustin -

How do you know what I believe and what I don't?

Would you say your experience while hiking was similar to Margery Wakefield's, at least in the description?
 
Beleth said:
Mat 5:17-18. There aren't any repudiated laws, sorry.
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Read John 8:2-11 where Jesus is brought an adulterer by the Pharisees and is told that under the old law she must be stoned to death for her sin. Jesus did not condone stoning her to death as the old law would have dictated, he simply said "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." This is a clear example of Jesus repudiating the old law of Moses and substituting it for his new law of compassion and caring.
 
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