[Moderated]175 did NOT hit the South tower.

[pomeroo]

The proper equation is written down a dozen or more times. You now pretend that you couldn't read it properly.
NO, you got it wrong. The same way you get most everything wrong about 9/11 and then pretend, like some pretentious schoolboy, that you can talk your way out of it.
You deliberately put the wrong meaning on my words, in this case my word "Goodbye", which was in response to some one saying they were going.
Then you tell me that I can't show people the door on here.
Let's see shall we. I find your posts deliberately obfuscatory. In consequence, I will not be answering any more of them.
Goodbye.

Uh, Malcolm, what happens when he reproduces your posts with the equation stated incorrectly? They haven't vanished, you know. What's your next trick?

 

[pomeroo]

I know it's a long thread, but speaking for myself, I would catch up somewhat before I joined in. I have already answered this question. The last time I posted the same answer a number of times, I was warned about 'spamming'.
At the risk of being warned again, my answer to how they breathed is "with great difficulty". That's why so many jumped or got shaken off when the basement expolsions took out the base of the core.
You can witness the basement explosions here,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E-tieJFVGY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_DDi1wq1Bc
Then, the floor explosions took out the floors and the people in them, over 1,000 vapourised bodies still to be accounted for, as you can see here,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx1E2B5oAEs&mode=related&search=
Vid 1 is the North tower, vid 2 is the south tower.
There is no doubt, none at all and people like me, will not be going away.

You've been caught lying again, Malcolm. Seismic data compiled by the Lamont-Doherty labs prove that there were no "basement explosions."

Of course you can't change your mind: you would be rational if you could.

 

[SOMERLED]

So, if I go to a forum frequented by mechanical engineers and post that, everyone there will tell me it's nonsense, right, Malcolm?

If I go to a forum frequented by firefighters they'll tell me the same thing, right?

Are you up to the challenge?

In spades.

 

[bonavada]

Mike told his co-worker to call upstairs to their Assistant Chief Engineer and find out if everything was all right. His co-worker made the call and reported back to Mike that he was told that the Assistant Chief did not know what happened but that the whole building seemed to shake and there was a loud explosion. They had been told to stay where they were and "sit tight" until the Assistant Chief got back to them. By this time, however, the room they were working in began to fill with a white smoke. "We smelled kerosene," Mike recalled, "I was thinking maybe a car fire was upstairs", referring to the parking garage located below grade in the tower but above the deep space where they were working.

mike pecoraro is often thrown up as somehow being witness to various "explosions in the basement" and other whacko theories. in fact his story agrees with the official one. the fact that he states "We smelled kerosene" should indicate to most reasonable readers where the explosions originated (from the ignited jet fuel far above which then rained down lift-shafts) as this man then worked his way upstairs he encountered more evidence of the explosive origin (door blown in toward the sub-levels, people on fire emerging from lifts etc)

BV

 

[SOMERLED]

No, I don't want to. Got any evidence that the windows of the ESB open?

-Gumboot

Yes, I've opened one and I've watched the window cleaner, who used to stand on the sill on the top floors and clean the corridor windows.
Find a website, why don't you?

 

[VespaGuy]

Malcolm, I asked you a few questions a few pages ago that you may have missed. i'm curious about your answers.

In regards to your 'fireworks smoke' statement:

The color you see when you watch fireworks is in the flame, not the smoke.

But just for the heck of it, how do they acheive different colors? Answer this carefully...

A simple question, Malcolm: What color smoke is produced when petroleum based products, like those found in offices, burn?

Thank you.

 

[CurtC]

Show me these SERIAL NUMBERS.

First, you asked to see evidence that 175 hit the South Tower. When this evidence was produced in spades, you then move the goalposts and demand nothing short of serial numbers. I have no doubt that someone has looked at them, but the data is apparently not published, and even if it were, you would claim that they're faked.

You've already admitted that there is nothing that could falsify your belief. That means that for you, it is a religion, not a rational deduction. Ask any one of us, and we can spout off all kinds of things that could falsify our position, if only these things existed.

If there is no such a thing as free fall.
Then how can this be correct, in your words

His post was explaining how there is no such thing as free fall speed. We all notice how dishonest you have been, and here you prove it again.

I am talking about the walls of the Pentagon.
You are talking about the walls of the south tower.

Everyone who responded to you, and there were many, pointed out the huge hole in the wall of the South Tower. That indicates that it's you who's not communicating clearly.

Besides, there was a huge freakin' hole in the Pentagon as well.

I refer you to post number 1908. I not only wrote it down properly, but showed how it works.

No, you wrote it down incorrectly yet again, and I explained why. Please pay attention, this has been explained to you dozens of times now. The equation for Hooke's Law has been written correctly many times in this thread, but not once by you.

Yes, I've opened one and I've watched the window cleaner, who used to stand on the sill on the top floors and clean the corridor windows.
Find a website, why don't you?

I also recall seeing open windows the the ESB. So I'll give you that. But his point was really about modern high-rise buildings, whose windows never open. Since the widespread use of air conditioning, high rise office buildings don't have windows that open.

 

[Kage]

If there is no such a thing as free fall.
Then how can this be correct, in your words,
"...the WTC fell slower than free fall..."

I didn't say there was no such thing as free fall. There is no free fall speed. Free fall implies falling in a gravitational field with no resistance, which corresponds to an acceleration. This acceleration is called g. High school physics tells us that:

h = (1/2) g t^2 or

t = ((2 h)/g)^(1/2)

Putting in the hight of the WTC you get slightly more than 9 seconds (this depends on what you put in as the hight). The WTC towers came down in more than 16 seconds, which is slower than free fall. My degree in physics trumps your mensa scores.

 

[Belz...]

Edited by chillzero: 

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Find a website, why don't you?

Ah, yes. The end-all of twoofer investigation.

 

[Belz...]

They show a gaping hole which provides a source of AIR to fuel the FIRES.

I am talking about the walls of the Pentagon.
You are talking about the walls of the south tower.

Not here, you werent:

The south tower was a sealed unit, where was the fire going to get its oxygen from? There was no through flow of air. No inrushing oxygen to fan the flames. The sealed unit was full of smoke. The fire was going out completely, that's why they decided to set the demolition sequence off out of turn. That's why the south tower came down first.

 

[Cuddles]

I refer you to post number 1908. I not only wrote it down properly, but showed how it works.

1908 you say?

Curt,
You don't have millimetres on one side and Newtons on the other.
They are both on the same side of the equals sign.
On the other side of the equals sign is a constant.
Let's call that constant 2.
Now 8 = 2
4

Now lets increase the force from 4 Newtons to 6 Newtons.
The spring will now lengthen to 12 mm.
Now,
12mm = 2
6 N

2 is the constant.
In 1666, the Great Fire of London devastated the city. A lot of rebuilding was called for. The Chief Surveyor to the City of London was called Robert Hooke.
He was concerned with a bit of health and safety really and started to interest himself with wooden beams and how much load they could bear etc.
How much bend they had in them, before they snapped and someone died.
Fooling around with springs and other stuff, he worked out the constant.
The fact that how much a spring lengthened was proportionate to the load.
Eventually Hooke's law was applied to metals and then years later of course, to calibrating galvanometers, ammeters, voltmeters etc. Good stuff eh, pity you don't know it.

You know, I really can't see a single place in that post that reads "dx = -kF". I can't even see a single part where you've managed to write a valid equation. For example

8 = 2

What exactly is that supposed to mean? 8 != 2. Why is the "8" underlined? Why is there a 4 all by itself on the next line?

Let's try some really basic stuff. We have already established that Hooke's law is written as dx = -kF. Please explain, using diagrams if necessary, what each of the terms means, giving units where appropriate. For your convenience I will provide a template answer for you. Just fill in the blanks.

dx means
k means
F means
= means
- means

For the life of the towers, people breathed via air conditioning.
Air conditioning feeds fresh air from the roof into the offices and back to the roof. On 9/11 if it was working at all, it would have been recycling smoke.

I'm impressed, that's the first halfway sensible answer I've seen you give. now think about this - all the air for the air conditioning came through the roof? Even the air for the basement? Do you really think pumping air all that distance seems like a sensible idea?

That aside, what about the large hole caused by an aeroplane hitting the building? What about all the broken windows? Is it not possible for these to let air in?

 

[slyjoe]

Ok.

Categorically wood stands up to fire better than steel.

Now, this sounds like a pretty strong claim doesn't it? But let's flip it around.

Categorically, steel stands up to fire better than wood.

That too sounds like a pretty strong claim.

Let's ignore that you haven't defined "stands up to fire better". Prove either statement above is correct. Can you do it?

You are insulting my intelligence really.
I'll answer this one post, but probably that will be all.
You burn wood in a steel stove. You don't burn steel in a wooden stove.
If you can't lift the level of discourse above the ridiculous, then I am not going to answer any questions in future, that are beneath my dignity.

How is this insulting your intelligence? That was certainly not my intent. Also, you did not answer the question. Could you explain why this is ridiculous and "beneath your dignity"? Or, could you just answer the question? Or explain the following:

 

[HyJinX]

Malcolm - Please read the third box down regarding Steel vs. Wood.

http://www.reavesbuildings.com/why_wood/myths.aspx

 

[Regnad Kcin]

There is no doubt that those buildings came down via controlled demolition, none at all. I'm still surprised to find a site that maintains anything different.

That you're "surprised" by something that's so elementarily true, without even a sliver of verifiable evidence to support your astoundingly complex assertion to the contrary, should suggest something to you.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

That is complete and utter garbage. Every tenant floor was packed with flammable materials:

Desks
Computers
Printers
Photocopiers
Paper
Chairs
Bookshelves
Filing Cabinets
Wall Partitions
Interior Walls
Interior Doors
Carpet
Notice Boards
Benches
Boardroom Tables
Board Room Chairs
Televisions
VCRs
DVD Players
Files
Books
Manuals
Publications
Magazines
Clothing
Stationary

Do I need to go on?

Office buildings are literally filled with flammable materials.

Including, sad as it is to point out, people.

 

[VespaGuy]

1908 you say?

You know, I really can't see a single place in that post that reads "dx = -kF". I can't even see a single part where you've managed to write a valid equation. For example
What exactly is that supposed to mean? 8 != 2. Why is the "8" underlined? Why is there a 4 all by itself on the next line?

Let's try some really basic stuff. We have already established that Hooke's law is written as dx = -kF. Please explain, using diagrams if necessary, what each of the terms means, giving units where appropriate. For your convenience I will provide a template answer for you. Just fill in the blanks.

dx means
k means
F means
= means
- means

I think you've touched upon one of the initial problems with Malcolm's Formula.

Rather than writing a simple expression, 'one over two', like normal people would:

1/2

Malcolm has tried to express it like this

1
2

Of course, with a simple text editor, and different character spacing, it looks like a jumbled mess. So, when the Mensa genius wrote:

Thank you for that,
Would you care to comment on,

extension in mm = constant
force in Newtons

which appears to most people to say:
"Extension in MM = constant force in Newtons"

I think he was trying to say

Extension in MM / Force in Newtons = constant

 

[gumboot]

Yes, I've opened one and I've watched the window cleaner, who used to stand on the sill on the top floors and clean the corridor windows.
Find a website, why don't you?

A website about open windows in the ESB? Not likely.

It's quite possible windows in the ESB do indeed open. It is, after all, a very old building. I am sure you're aware that, as a rule, windows in modern skyscrapers do not open.

The problem here, of course, is given your appalling track record with factual accuracy on this thread, I have no intention of accepting anything whatsoever based solely on your testimony.

-Gumboot

 

[Regnad Kcin]

And incidentally, Mr. Kirkman, neither of the Twin Towers were in any way, shape, or form "sealed." To suggest as much is remarkable. Please.

And while I'm at it, there is no "85%" of people who believe in any way, shape, or form that 9/11 was an inside job.

Perhaps you feel justified piling lie upon lie in order to support your agenda, but lies they are nevertheless.

(Edited for grammar.)

 

[MortFurd]

1908 you say?



You know, I really can't see a single place in that post that reads "dx = -kF". I can't even see a single part where you've managed to write a valid equation. For example
What exactly is that supposed to mean? 8 != 2. Why is the "8" underlined? Why is there a 4 all by itself on the next line?

Let's try some really basic stuff. We have already established that Hooke's law is written as dx = -kF. Please explain, using diagrams if necessary, what each of the terms means, giving units where appropriate. For your convenience I will provide a template answer for you. Just fill in the blanks.

dx means
k means
F means
= means
- means



I'm impressed, that's the first halfway sensible answer I've seen you give. now think about this - all the air for the air conditioning came through the roof? Even the air for the basement? Do you really think pumping air all that distance seems like a sensible idea?

That aside, what about the large hole caused by an aeroplane hitting the building? What about all the broken windows? Is it not possible for these to let air in?

You've run smack into the problem we've had when trying to communicate with Malcolm about mathematics.

He's trying to write 8/4=2 but he isn't getting it. The underscore is supposed to be a fraction bar.

He's trying to get this:
[latex]$${\frac{8}{4}}=2$$[/latex]
and failing miserably.

What he really needed to have posted for his rearrangement of Hooke's Law was this:
[latex]$$k={\frac{-dx}{F}}$$[/latex]

What he was doing was this:
8=2
4
Which ALMOST works until you do something like
this: 8=2
4
He tried to line up the 4 under the 8 with spaces, and the forum trims leading spaces, so it goes to pieces.

So, if he'd just learn to express himself, maybe we could see where he's going - or maybe not. k=-dx/F

PS:
Thread on posting really cool mathematical stuff. Latex isn't just a fetish.

 

[CptColumbo]

That is complete and utter garbage. Every tenant floor was packed with flammable materials:

Desks
Computers
Printers
Photocopiers
Paper
Chairs
Bookshelves
Filing Cabinets
Wall Partitions
Interior Walls
Interior Doors
Carpet
Notice Boards
Benches
Boardroom Tables
Board Room Chairs
Televisions
VCRs
DVD Players
Files
Books
Manuals
Publications
Magazines
Clothing
Stationary

Do I need to go on?

Office buildings are literally filled with flammable materials.

-Gumboot

Also, there are many things in an average janitor's closet that can burn and even explode. Including: lighter fluid, paint thinner, many different types of aerosol cans, and paint.