A while ago on a different forum, I was debating one of Alex Jones avid supporters.
This poster made claims on the club of the Bohemian Grove, being;
a) A satanic club of satan-worship.
b) A gathering part of the NWO and ergo the Illuminati.
c) That their owl statue is the old god Molech, ergo Molech-worship.
d) That the ritual, "Cremation of Care" is based upon evil child-sacrifice rituals.
e) That Alex Jones video "Dark Secrets" reveal the truth about the Grove through evidence.
I asked the poster, initially, to please take of the tinfoil-hat and get serious.
The Cremation of Care is not a sacrifice of a child or anything remotely symbolic of it either. "Care" is, according to researchers of the Bohemian Grove, simply the symbology for concerns and anguish of the world.
One could indeed view it as a silly, middle-aged fraternal thingy, however, I was able to bring myself to see the video (Dark Secrets) and, well I thought it was informative to the extent that it just shows how silly some of the powerful men can act. But... satanic rituals, worshipping Satan? Not really.
Bonfire rituals and the likes are very common in various fraternities, boy scout clubs etc, where you burn something through bonfire with a ritual whenever you ascend to a new level of the fraternity. This doesn't mean people are invoking Lucifer for power and world conquest.
For example, the vikings/norse, used to have them all the time in different contexts.
A campfire or a bonfire is itself the celebration of life and survival in many non-christian traditions. The greeks had them too, upon the death of someone, burning them up and sending them with a penny for the ferry-man over the river Styx, releasing the soul of the dead and helping it along it's journey to the afterlife.
Basically, I wager, every single outdoor fraternity has it's own fire ceremony and rituals. Yet it is not really anything more than a play repeated for fun, relaxation and thought to represent the struggles of man over good and evil.
For Alex Jones, there is too much that seems to be a satanic, diabolic conspiracy of the Illuminati/NWO or whatever fuzzy pet-label that fits his baseless accusations.
Jones' "Dark Secrets" only succeeds in doing a monumentally boring documentary that has no substance at all, period.
It's as if Alex Jones assumes that the audience will automatically be without any critical thought and just buy into the New World Order-theories, just because some politicans like to play dress up in gowns etc.
The whole flick is basically predicated on the idea that is it not nice for politicians to be dressing up and acting out theatrically. The "weirdness" is really the only thing Jones is able to go on, which we all knew was there, as there does not appear to be anything sinister about the ritual he tapes at all, period.
Indeed, he guesses that maybe, just maybe, the effigy is really a corpse, but he doesn't even bother to try to prove that in any way. No no no, Jones ultimately seems to think the ritual is so evil just because it has elements of pagan rites.
I wonder how he would feel about going to an ordinary catholic mass???
In the end-parts of the documentary, Alex Jones says that he did "extensive research" on the occult. Bollocks!
It sure doesn't show, since they hop onto only a handful of elements and bring them up over and over without even explaining their signifigance, history or variations etc. For example, Alex refers to the owl statue as Moloch thoughout the film, where he's not even able to pronouce the name correctly for the first half!?
Plus, the "hidden camera" footage was so poor that it was virtually impossible to see the owl that Alex continually alluded to, the final product was edited quite poorly too and at one point in the film, a dialog box was visible from the editing procedure!! Can someone say "hack!"?
Naturally, as he always is, Alex was quick to make references to the "New World Order" but failed miserably in drawing any conclusive correlations between the ritual he filmed and his claims that the Bohemian-members were attempting to rule the world.
Also, Jones refers to the ritual he filmed as illegal. Illegal??? What laws were being violated? All he managed to prove is that there is a ritual that takes place under giant owl at the Bohemian Grove. Someone call the cops!
In his typical cheesy propaganda-fashin, he ends the documentary outside the Governor's Mansion in Texas, protesting and screaming into a bullhorn. Seriously, this film speaks more about Jones lack of any journalistic integrity, lack of any education than it does to anything that goes on at the Bohemian Grove.
It's just Alex Jones who one can depend on turning anything into a satanic, world-conspiratiorial fantasy. Give him a packet of cigarretes and he'll find a devilish plot of world conquest in it.
A few recommended readings on the Bohemian Grove can be found here;
"A Relative Advantage: Sociology of the San Francisco Bohemian Club" by Peter M Phillips.
William Domhoff's quite detailed analazys and research of the Bohemian Grove;
"Social Cohesion & the Bohemian Grove: The Power Elite at Summer Camp"
Even Jon Ronson's research left, of course, a less mad-cow impression of the Grove as opposed to the king of hysteria and fallacies r us; Alex Jones. (Jones accompanied Ronson inside the Grove and shot his flick)
It's this kind of mindless, sensationalistic crap (pardon me) which sparks idiots like Richard McCaslin into action.
Read about his Rambo-styled attack on the Grove here;
"Masked man enters, attacks Bohemian Grove: 'Phantom' expected armed resistance" (San Francisco Chronicle)
To this, the poster replied with;
I replied with;
First of all, who are these "illuminati" archictects?
William Thornton? Latrobe or Bulfinch? Thomas U Walter or Edward Clark?
All of them I suppose.
It also looks like a pregnant women with a bikini. Or if you turn the picture upside down, it looks like someone with a large butt bending over, lol. Why not a squirrel or a conference of cellulites?
What we have here is absence of any proof of Molech-worshipping, sans proof of any owl-architectural planning, but plenty of the usual and predictable loony-assertions.
If you only look for shapes that can possibly, concievebly be likened to some owl-shaped appearence, then you will find it all over the world if you look hard enough.
Just like people find the faces of Jesus in crackers, sandwiches, pies and coffee-mugs etc. It's ridiculously poor usage of brain-power, but imaginary though.
Was the USS Sea Owl a battle ship constructed to fulfill the satanic commandments?
One of his other arguments were;
Fine, I'm biased on what nuttery I choose to address.
This poster made claims on the club of the Bohemian Grove, being;
a) A satanic club of satan-worship.
b) A gathering part of the NWO and ergo the Illuminati.
c) That their owl statue is the old god Molech, ergo Molech-worship.
d) That the ritual, "Cremation of Care" is based upon evil child-sacrifice rituals.
e) That Alex Jones video "Dark Secrets" reveal the truth about the Grove through evidence.
I asked the poster, initially, to please take of the tinfoil-hat and get serious.
The Cremation of Care is not a sacrifice of a child or anything remotely symbolic of it either. "Care" is, according to researchers of the Bohemian Grove, simply the symbology for concerns and anguish of the world.
One could indeed view it as a silly, middle-aged fraternal thingy, however, I was able to bring myself to see the video (Dark Secrets) and, well I thought it was informative to the extent that it just shows how silly some of the powerful men can act. But... satanic rituals, worshipping Satan? Not really.
Bonfire rituals and the likes are very common in various fraternities, boy scout clubs etc, where you burn something through bonfire with a ritual whenever you ascend to a new level of the fraternity. This doesn't mean people are invoking Lucifer for power and world conquest.
For example, the vikings/norse, used to have them all the time in different contexts.
A campfire or a bonfire is itself the celebration of life and survival in many non-christian traditions. The greeks had them too, upon the death of someone, burning them up and sending them with a penny for the ferry-man over the river Styx, releasing the soul of the dead and helping it along it's journey to the afterlife.
Basically, I wager, every single outdoor fraternity has it's own fire ceremony and rituals. Yet it is not really anything more than a play repeated for fun, relaxation and thought to represent the struggles of man over good and evil.
For Alex Jones, there is too much that seems to be a satanic, diabolic conspiracy of the Illuminati/NWO or whatever fuzzy pet-label that fits his baseless accusations.
Jones' "Dark Secrets" only succeeds in doing a monumentally boring documentary that has no substance at all, period.
It's as if Alex Jones assumes that the audience will automatically be without any critical thought and just buy into the New World Order-theories, just because some politicans like to play dress up in gowns etc.
The whole flick is basically predicated on the idea that is it not nice for politicians to be dressing up and acting out theatrically. The "weirdness" is really the only thing Jones is able to go on, which we all knew was there, as there does not appear to be anything sinister about the ritual he tapes at all, period.
Indeed, he guesses that maybe, just maybe, the effigy is really a corpse, but he doesn't even bother to try to prove that in any way. No no no, Jones ultimately seems to think the ritual is so evil just because it has elements of pagan rites.
I wonder how he would feel about going to an ordinary catholic mass???
In the end-parts of the documentary, Alex Jones says that he did "extensive research" on the occult. Bollocks!
It sure doesn't show, since they hop onto only a handful of elements and bring them up over and over without even explaining their signifigance, history or variations etc. For example, Alex refers to the owl statue as Moloch thoughout the film, where he's not even able to pronouce the name correctly for the first half!?
Plus, the "hidden camera" footage was so poor that it was virtually impossible to see the owl that Alex continually alluded to, the final product was edited quite poorly too and at one point in the film, a dialog box was visible from the editing procedure!! Can someone say "hack!"?
Naturally, as he always is, Alex was quick to make references to the "New World Order" but failed miserably in drawing any conclusive correlations between the ritual he filmed and his claims that the Bohemian-members were attempting to rule the world.
Also, Jones refers to the ritual he filmed as illegal. Illegal??? What laws were being violated? All he managed to prove is that there is a ritual that takes place under giant owl at the Bohemian Grove. Someone call the cops!
In his typical cheesy propaganda-fashin, he ends the documentary outside the Governor's Mansion in Texas, protesting and screaming into a bullhorn. Seriously, this film speaks more about Jones lack of any journalistic integrity, lack of any education than it does to anything that goes on at the Bohemian Grove.
It's just Alex Jones who one can depend on turning anything into a satanic, world-conspiratiorial fantasy. Give him a packet of cigarretes and he'll find a devilish plot of world conquest in it.
A few recommended readings on the Bohemian Grove can be found here;
"A Relative Advantage: Sociology of the San Francisco Bohemian Club" by Peter M Phillips.
William Domhoff's quite detailed analazys and research of the Bohemian Grove;
"Social Cohesion & the Bohemian Grove: The Power Elite at Summer Camp"
Even Jon Ronson's research left, of course, a less mad-cow impression of the Grove as opposed to the king of hysteria and fallacies r us; Alex Jones. (Jones accompanied Ronson inside the Grove and shot his flick)
It's this kind of mindless, sensationalistic crap (pardon me) which sparks idiots like Richard McCaslin into action.
Read about his Rambo-styled attack on the Grove here;
"Masked man enters, attacks Bohemian Grove: 'Phantom' expected armed resistance" (San Francisco Chronicle)
To this, the poster replied with;
I replied with;
First of all, who are these "illuminati" archictects?
William Thornton? Latrobe or Bulfinch? Thomas U Walter or Edward Clark?
All of them I suppose.
It also looks like a pregnant women with a bikini. Or if you turn the picture upside down, it looks like someone with a large butt bending over, lol. Why not a squirrel or a conference of cellulites?
What we have here is absence of any proof of Molech-worshipping, sans proof of any owl-architectural planning, but plenty of the usual and predictable loony-assertions.
If you only look for shapes that can possibly, concievebly be likened to some owl-shaped appearence, then you will find it all over the world if you look hard enough.
Just like people find the faces of Jesus in crackers, sandwiches, pies and coffee-mugs etc. It's ridiculously poor usage of brain-power, but imaginary though.
Was the USS Sea Owl a battle ship constructed to fulfill the satanic commandments?
One of his other arguments were;
Fine, I'm biased on what nuttery I choose to address.
