[Moderated]175 did NOT hit the South tower.

[Newtons Bit]

I beg to differ.
I said 175 didn't hit the south tower.
I have produced over 50 web sites that say the same thing, on this page alone.
I said the attack planes came from Offutt AFB. I am in the process of showing this.
In all of this, no one has produced one scintila of evidence to the contrary.

I can produce 50 websites that say Elvis (the king!) is still alive. Is Elvis still alive because those websites say he is?

Can you provide one scintila of evidence that he (the king!) is not? Can you provide any evidence that humans are not descended from some sort of alien race?

 

[beachnut]

Two points,
1. Why have the authorities never tipped the engine up? That would settle any disputes.
2. I am satisfied with the evidence here,
http://home.att.net/~south.tower/STengine1.htm
Col G Nelson USAF Ret.
Glen Standish, 20 yrs pilot.
Nila Sagadevin 20 yrs pilot
All three say the attack plane was not 175.
They are backed up by over 50 web sites.
That's plenty enough for me.

Nila Sagadevin is not a real pilot, that is his pen name, he wrote a paper on how the terrorist could not fly the jet on 9/11. Wrong. I put kids with no flying experience in a simulator of jets used on 9/11, and they hit the WTC. Sorry you have picked liars and misinformation experts. Sorry there are millions of pilots who disagree with the few pilots who have decided to tell lies and make up stories.

Next.

 

[Slayhamlet]

I beg to differ.
I said 175 didn't hit the south tower.
I have produced over 50 web sites that say the same thing, on this page alone.
I said the attack planes came from Offutt AFB. I am in the process of showing this.
In all of this, no one has produced one scintila of evidence to the contrary.

Funny stuff. That's a Stundie if I ever saw one.

 

[Belz...]

Tensile strength ?
Now I know you're having a laugh.

Yeah, you had the same reaction to the word "fantastical".

I'm not assuming a conspiracy, the evidence points overwhelmingly to a neocon/NWO operation.

That's impossible, because you haven't even shown that the NWO exists. Your "evidence" is an argument from ignorance. How could this possibly be overwhelming ?

One or two coincidences maybe, a fistful, not really. The odds on an attack occuring at the same time as an exercise to that effect is in progress.

That's ONE coincidence.

The odds on that alone are astronomical.

The odds against you being born were ALSO astronomical. Does that mean you're a hoax ?

Hey, by the say, was D-Day real or not ? Still waiting.

Do you plan on supporting any of your assertions ?

Certainly, the arabs didn't do it, the neocons did. Cheney, Rumsfeld etc.

Supporting, Malcolm. Not repeating. SUPPORTING with evidence, you know ?

 

[tacodaemon]

Since you tend to post in rapid-fire spurts, I responded to two of your posts in a single reply. I quoted both posts in their entirety, so I haven't foggiest clue what you are going on about...

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the interleaved quoting -- i.e., where you put your comments after the parts of another person's post you're commenting on, instead of quoting the whole thing and typing a sentence or two afterward like malcolm does. I think malcolm (if he's being serious) is under the mistaken impression that you've been hitting the "quote" button before reading any of his post, after which he thinks you read the first couple of paragraphs, type some comments underneath, read a couple more paragraphs, type some more comments underneath, and so on.

 

[ellindsey]

Why have the authorities not done this?

You assume that they have not. If they haven't it is probably because no sane person doubts the identity of the airplane that hit the south tower.

2. I am satisfied with the evidence here,
http://home.att.net/~south.tower/STengine1.htm

That page does not show how the author identified the fragment as belonging to a CFM56 rather than a JT9D. To to that you will need to compare the fragment to the matching sections of both of those engines, something that page does not do. That page appears to be comparing the engine fragment to an intact CFM56, which is absurd. A simple comparison of the engine fragment to its surroundings should be enough to show you that this piece is far too small to be an entire engine. It is certainly too small in itself to be an entire engine of any large jet, although it is about the right size to be a fragment of the engine core.

 

[ArmillarySphere]

There's a ring of what I think are hydraulic or coolant lines towards the front end of a JT9D, which can be seen on the wikipedia image. I see something resembling this towards the bottom end of the engine fragment. Unfortunately none of the images posted so far show that section of the engine with the cowl in place - the last image is taken from the front end, so the big fan section hides the relevant detail. It looks to me as though the engine core has been more or less broken in half, and were looking at the front half. No doubt a professional could make a better judgement call.

 

[pomeroo]

1. We agree.

2. Attacked by whom?

Jihadists who frequently proclaim their pride in the victory they won.

3. I can't imagine anybody who claims to be au fait with 9/11, believing that arabs did it.

Everybody who has any real knowledge of the jihadist attacks of 9/11 understands there is no actual controversy. America-hating loons who are impervious to reason and evidence are flogging an absurd and baseless fantasy.

4. We agree on the politicians. I think I am doing something useful with my knowledge of 9/11. I think I'm doing something useful on here, otherwise I'd sling my hook.

You have demonstrated a staggering ignorance of the basic facts. Your irrational beliefs are unfalsifiable.

5. We agree again, except perhaps for me to say that we have now outstayed our welcome. Furthermore, I think BushCo havea private agenda with regard to the oil that belongs to the Iraqi prople. It's called theft.

This infantile canard refutes itself. The same liars and fools screamed in 1991 that we intended to steal Iraqi oil. They were wrong.

There is not a shred of evidence to suggest that any Iraqi oil is being "stolen." The liars who make this silly claim never get around to explaining how it's done.

6. I would argue that we are the foreign agitators. I doubt that anyone would dispute me saying that the moment we clear off, the Iraqi's will do their own thing, whatever that may be. Why stick around losing troops, if not to steal their oil.
If we simply bought oil from the middle and far east, why should there be any 'terrorism'.

We DO buy oil from the Middle East, although you are certainly ignorant about exactly how much oil we import from that region. Try to guess (you certainly wouldn't dream of actually researching the issue) who is America's principal supplier.

We (I use the term loosely) are stealing their oil. On top of that, we are paying something like $2 billion a week for the war. To be more precise, borrowing $2 billion a week from the Banksters. Getting in debt to the tune of $2 billion a week.
Where is all this money going? Where is the dosh from the oil going?

No one is stealing any Iraqi oil. Someone would notice.

 

[pomeroo]

I refer you to my previous post.

Please read this very slowly. I understand that you refuse to respond to posts that reveal the extent of your misinformation . You will never acknowledge that your falsehood about the imaginary "bad boys" was exposed. But...

You continue to pretend that you, someone devoid of technical knowledge, are engaging in a debate about aircraft components with a real, honest-to-goodness AVIONICS TECH. Is there a glimmer of awareness that you are in over your head?

 

[SOMERLED]

No one is stealing any Iraqi oil. Someone would notice.

The only thing you got right, was that someone would notice the theft of the Iraqi's oil,
I have and I say so in that post.

 

[SOMERLED]

Please read this very slowly. I understand that you refuse to respond to posts that reveal the extent of your misinformation . You will never acknowledge that your falsehood about the imaginary "bad boys" was exposed. But...

You continue to pretend that you, someone devoid of technical knowledge, are engaging in a debate about aircraft components with a real, honest-to-goodness AVIONICS TECH. Is there a glimmer of awareness that you are in over your head?

Show me one piece of evidence that 175 did hit the south tower.
I have shown you 50 websites in one post. Each site contains evidence that 175 did NOT hit the south tower.
Show me ONE piece of evidence that it did, just ONE.

 

[Travis]

This has been pointed out by several posters here already but you still seem to either be ignoring it or just "not getting it."

The pictures of the Murray Street engine fragment pictured on that page you keep referring to, this one, are just that, a fragment! A turbofan engine has several distinct sections; a low pressure compressor sometimes referred to as the "intake," the high pressure compressor, the combustor, the turbines and then the nozzle. The Murray St fragment is the high pressure compressor, midsection or "core," of a JT9D engine. It is not the whole engine! In this image you will note the fuel injector ports at the base of the high pressure compressor and the beginning of the combustor. This can be seen in this cutaway image, and in this image are yellow. Compare to the CFM56 and you'll note that the Murray St fragment does not appear to be any part of one.

 

[Travis]

By the way has anyone else browsed through that site? I went to the first linked page where they claim that the explosion in the south tower must have been a napalm explosion because all fuel air explosions simply must be napalm!

Here it is by the way.

 

[SOMERLED]

Then your argument is even weaker. The engine you are showing has been crushed together. It is shorter than it ought to be. Smashed flat. Take an empty beer can. Smash the long way into your forehead. When you regain consciousness, look at the can. It is shorter than it was before. It has been pushed in on itself. Look at the photo. You will notice that there are parts of the engine shoved into places where they don't belong - just like your beer can.

The outer rings of the engine have been ripped off. What is lying there could be a three foot (or five or six foot) section from any part of the 11 foot length of the Pratt and Whitney engine.

I've mentioned this before. What you've got is a piece of the engine, and it is smashed FLAT.

You are not totally correct in what you say. Rather than being squashed out of shape and shorter and fatter. What we have here, is the shaft being pushed through and the outer shell staying the same size. Something along the lines of one of these collapsable umbrellas you occassionally see about.

 

[SOMERLED]

Funny stuff. That's a Stundie if I ever saw one.

What is a Stundie?

 

[SOMERLED]

Yeah, you had the same reaction to the word "fantastical".



That's impossible, because you haven't even shown that the NWO exists. Your "evidence" is an argument from ignorance. How could this possibly be overwhelming ?



That's ONE coincidence.



The odds against you being born were ALSO astronomical. Does that mean you're a hoax ?

Hey, by the say, was D-Day real or not ? Still waiting.



Supporting, Malcolm. Not repeating. SUPPORTING with evidence, you know ?

Here's a few more coincidences,
The patrol dogs, the ones that can sniff out explosives, were pulled from work at the WTC in time rnough for explosives to be planted before 9/11.
That's reasonable suspicion.
In the week and more before 9/11 staff were queueing for elevators, so many lift shafts were closed.
There were 'power downs' in the week running up to 9/11, so no security cameras worked.
Silverstein, and two of his family were all late for work on the morning of 9/11.
Silverstein has admitted to 'pulling' WTC7.
Giuliani had the crime scene swept up.
Giuliani knew the twins were gonna collapse before they did.
The BBC knew WTC7 was down, before it fell.

 

[SOMERLED]

You assume that they have not. If they haven't it is probably because no sane person doubts the identity of the airplane that hit the south tower.



That page does not show how the author identified the fragment as belonging to a CFM56 rather than a JT9D. To to that you will need to compare the fragment to the matching sections of both of those engines, something that page does not do. That page appears to be comparing the engine fragment to an intact CFM56, which is absurd. A simple comparison of the engine fragment to its surroundings should be enough to show you that this piece is far too small to be an entire engine. It is certainly too small in itself to be an entire engine of any large jet, although it is about the right size to be a fragment of the engine core.

By your reasoning anybody who asserts 175 did not hit the south tower is insane.

 

[SOMERLED]

There's a ring of what I think are hydraulic or coolant lines towards the front end of a JT9D, which can be seen on the wikipedia image. I see something resembling this towards the bottom end of the engine fragment. Unfortunately none of the images posted so far show that section of the engine with the cowl in place - the last image is taken from the front end, so the big fan section hides the relevant detail. It looks to me as though the engine core has been more or less broken in half, and were looking at the front half. No doubt a professional could make a better judgement call.

I can see a thorough examination of this engine is on the cards. I'll give this post the attention it deserves over the weekend.

 

[SOMERLED]

Please read this very slowly. I understand that you refuse to respond to posts that reveal the extent of your misinformation . You will never acknowledge that your falsehood about the imaginary "bad boys" was exposed. But...

You continue to pretend that you, someone devoid of technical knowledge, are engaging in a debate about aircraft components with a real, honest-to-goodness AVIONICS TECH. Is there a glimmer of awareness that you are in over your head?

From the content of your previous posts, not in the slightest.

 

[SOMERLED]

I can produce 50 websites that say Elvis (the king!) is still alive. Is Elvis still alive because those websites say he is?

Can you provide one scintila of evidence that he (the king!) is not? Can you provide any evidence that humans are not descended from some sort of alien race?

Show me 50 that say arabs did do it.