[Moderated]175 did NOT hit the South tower.

[Papermache]

I gave a perhaps 2,000 words comprehensive explanation with regard to how D Day was pesented to the Germans as a diversion. how it would have been presented to us in the same way, had it failed. How the Pas de Calaise came next, followe by the south of france. There were no references to anyone on this site, therefore there could be no ad homs. Yet the post went the same way as over 3,000 people on 9/11 - vapourised.
That is one example.

You compare the loss of 3,000 human lives to your loss of 2,000 words? That's worth noting.

 

[332nd]

Tom Reed, Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, in office from December 4, 1889 to March 4, 1891 and again from December 2, 1895 to March 4, 1899, once said of two particularly choice members of the House, "Whenever they open their mouths, the sum of human knowledge is decreased."

He lived in the days before forum mods, so he got away with that crack. But if I plagiarize it and apply it to friend Malcolm, I get modulated.

The Spit was the most beautiful single-seat fighter of WW 2. No second, no third. Something about that ogival wing just breaks your heart.

The prettiest fighter, imho, was the P-39 Airacobra. If it had had breasts, guys would have married it! Yes, I know, American pilots called it the Lead Sled and other ungentlemanly things, but the Russians got good use out of it not primarily in ground attack as we're often told, but as a low-altitude interceptor. So you see, it was beautiful.

I have to go with the P-51 Mustang. Granted I am biased.

 

[Storm Warning]

See? This thread is a perfect example of why I don't post on the Conspiracy Thread. I'm no expert on any of the things that were involved in 9/11 (unless someone has come up with a potato chip CT), but I do have more than four working brain cells and none of any of this makes a whit of sense. I read halfway through the OP and can feel my brain start to run out of my ears. It's just too frustrating to try and understand WTF he's talking about.

Oh, and speaking of beautiful planes, in my opinion, the hands-down most gorgeous air vehicle from a purely aesthetic view has to be the SR-71 Blackbird. If I had the money I'd buy an airframe and sit it in the back yard just so I could look at it. Is it true that there's only one left that flies at airshows?

 

[SpitfireIX]

Now, Malcolm, if you would, please explain why you claimed that only "one or two" kamikaze attacks out of "a couple of thousand" penetrated a wooden flight deck, and what this says about your credibility. But, hey, what's a couple of orders of magnitude between friends, right?

Malcolm, it's been nearly 24 hours since I posted this--kindly answer the question.

 

[SOMERLED]

Maybe he didn't see it because he was looking for a "verb transitive."

MK, you still have zero evidence to support your assertions. We still have open the identity of the engine in NYC, if you'd like to try to back up what you've claimed.

I've tried to look up info on the Offutt golf tournament, and it's hard to find anything that's not tainted with the touch of Killtown, but so far I've come up with this:

• Warren Buffett lives in Omaha, so having the tournament on a course near his town is not surprising.
• He had been having his tournament for nine years in a row (boy those Neocons plan ahead).
• The tournament did not go ahead once the attacks on the country started.
• There were no significant exercises that day that affected the Air Force.
• I haven't found anything about the AFB runways being closed that day. In my experience, golf tournaments start early in the morning, so the execs flying in would likely have done so on the 10th. But, maybe they cut down on the flights that day to reduce the noise for the participants. I'd need more data.
• If an Offutt jet had an emergency, it would still be able to land there. Get real.

Buffet was 'persuaded' out of retirement to host the tournament. Who did the persuading and why?
Why pick Offutt for a golf tournament and why pick that retired old fool to host it?
Why pick Offutt for a golf tournamnet on 9/11?
A celebrity golf tournament that required the runways for the exclusive use of 'celebrities' and their Lears jets from dawn onwards?
Why pick 9/11 for all these 'Northern Vigilance' and 'Vigilant Warrior' exercises?
This meant that Offutt AFB would have to get all it's aircraft off the ground in the hours of darkness of 9/10 - 9/11.
Plenty of hiding place for two grey, windowless ex-military bad boys and their pods to take off unnoticed.
The DC attack plane would be just one more, in one of the exercises. These three take offs wouldn't raise one eyebrow.
Then we have Buffet's breakfast date, who had a military escort. But for her invitation, she'd have been brown bread. she was watching TV in Omaha and watched the attack plane go right through her office window.
That's one of the things that put me on to Buffet. Now I realise it was someone close to Buffet, because Buffet dropped $2.2 billion in insurance payouts over 9/11.
Being constantly told "Prove it", is childish, because proof isn't the standard here, common sense is.

 

[SOMERLED]

That is exhibiting the following:

http://skepdic.com/confirmbias.html

You are incorrect. It is affirming nothing other than my ability to think freely.

 

[SOMERLED]

You compare the loss of 3,000 human lives to your loss of 2,000 words? That's worth noting.

Vapourised being the operative word.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

You are incorrect. It is affirming nothing other than my ability to think freely.

You directed admitted that you do not apply the same critical analysis of KT's claims because you believe his claims:

Malcolm, I have only one question: why don't you apply the same scrutiny to Killtown as you do the 'official story'?

I believe Killtown.

Now, unless you are Killtown, that is the definition of confirmation bias.

 

[beachnut]

That is patently incorrect. Offutt is most certainly dual use. It was also the scene of a celebrity golf tournamnet on 9/11. When the airport was closed from dawn onwards, except for the use of celebrity executive jets.
That is common knowledge.

The base is miltary only. You are not connected to any type of reality. The golf course is not on the military field.

Please stop making up stuff and try to look something up before you make it up. Try to get something right. I will get you off to a good start on getting something right. What day did 9/11 happen on?

 

[SOMERLED]

Yes there is. Buy a dictionary.





Your previous posts do not address the issue. There were no alert fighters available at Andrews AFB on 9/11. This is a fact. You cannot sidestep it. You cannot bluff your way around it.

-Gumboot

No alert fighters at Andrews, no missiles anywhere. All the forts asleep.
Makes you wonder where all the money's been spent.

 

[brettDbass]

Being constantly told "Prove it", is childish, because proof isn't the standard here, common sense is.

Declaring that "proof is not the standard" is the best proof you could provide of having no sense yourself, common or otherwise.

Perhaps CTs have become a new religion, a bit like the famous proof of the existence of God in HHGTTG.

Proof denies faith, and without faith your CT is nothing.

 

[SOMERLED]

Malcolm, it's been nearly 24 hours since I posted this--kindly answer the question.

I did, the reply must have been monitored.
I think you presented an excellent post and I stand corrected on how much damage the Kamikazes caused. However, I do not yield on the fact that they would have been much more effective had they flown the flying bombs that were the original idea.
Those flying bombs had a pointed tip, as bombs do. The japs had to use less effective aircraft and they knew it.
The main thrust of my argument was that a snub nosed 'tin' fronted plane wouldn't penetrate a steel wall. It would flatten out first. Understanding that is just common sense. Drive a car into a steel wall and see what happens. The faster the car goes, the more damage it receives.

 

[CurtC]

Buffet was 'persuaded' out of retirement to host the tournament. Who did the persuading and why?
Why pick Offutt for a golf tournament and why pick that retired old fool to host it?

Buffett wasn't retired in 2001 - he just this year has announced that he wants to retire. Are you suggesting that the "Neocons" got him to host the first tournament in 1993, in preparation for flying planes into buidings eight years later? And that's plausible to you? In case you haven't heard, Buffett is big into philanthropy, and this tournament was for charity. Buffett is one of America's three biggest philanthropists, along with Bill Gates and Ted Turner (who all are atheists, by the way).

Why pick 9/11 for all these 'Northern Vigilance' and 'Vigilant Warrior' exercises?

Those were NORAD exercises, and the folks at Offutt had zero involvement in them.

 

[SOMERLED]

That does not answer my question. I asked (emphasis added):

If you do not concede on the issue of the visual record, then we should not be moving on to Offutt, or any other AFB, as a new talking point.

According to whom?

 

[Belz...]

I believe Killtown.

I believe in Santa Claus.

Are you going to answer my points, anytime soon ?

 

[Belz...]

I did, the reply must have been monitored.

Damn those NWO shills, right ?

I think you presented an excellent post and I stand corrected on how much damage the Kamikazes caused.

You also stand corrected on "fantastical".

However, I do not yield on the fact that they would have been much more effective had they flown the flying bombs that were the original idea.

Who cares ? The point is non-pointy things can penetrate stronger stuff.

The main thrust of my argument was that a snub nosed 'tin' fronted plane wouldn't penetrate a steel wall. It would flatten out first.

Yeah, like Killtown's hilarious drawing of the plane hitting the ground and folding up like an accordion ?

Understanding that is just common sense.

Common sense tells you the Earth is flat and that heavier objects fall faster. Common sense is also wrong.

Drive a car into a steel wall and see what happens.

Do it at 500 mph and see what happens.

The faster the car goes, the more damage it receives.

And the wall gets no damage ? Do you have any idea how collisions work ?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

According to whom?

Please clarify your question.

 

[SOMERLED]

The base is miltary only. You are not connected to any type of reality. The golf course is not on the military field.

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Please stop making up stuff and try to look something up before you make it up. Try to get something right. I will get you off to a good start on getting something right. What day did 9/11 happen on?

Tuesday.

 

[SOMERLED]

I believe in Santa Claus.

Are you going to answer my points, anytime soon ?

What is the difference in meaning of 'fantastic' and the ludicrous 'fantastical'?
I sent a post that must have been monitored, regarding missile defences. Basically, if they don't exist, why have they been made?
Then we have your mixing up the pentagon attack plane with 175 and Cleveland.
A B52 hit the Empire State. Other than it didn't get into the building in its entirety and it didn't knock the building down, I have nothing to say. I never have mentioned that event.
Kindly pm Sackett for the lowdown on D Day.

 

[SOMERLED]

Buffett wasn't retired in 2001 - he just this year has announced that he wants to retire. Are you suggesting that the "Neocons" got him to host the first tournament in 1993, in preparation for flying planes into buidings eight years later? And that's plausible to you? In case you haven't heard, Buffett is big into philanthropy, and this tournament was for charity. Buffett is one of America's three biggest philanthropists, along with Bill Gates and Ted Turner (who all are atheists, by the way).

Those were NORAD exercises, and the folks at Offutt had zero involvement in them.

Were any aircraft from Offutt involved in exercises on 9/11?