[Moderated]175 did NOT hit the South tower.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

A fighter can get from wheels leaving the tarmac at Andrews AFB, to over the Pentagon in about ten seconds.

Andrews AFB is ~10 miles away from the Pentagon. To get from Andrews AFB to the Pentagon in ~10 seconds the average speed of the aircraft would have to be 3600 mph. This means the average speed of the aircraft from the time it lifted off to the time it reached the Pentagon would need to be mach 5. This means that the top speed of the aircraft would have to have been well in excess of mach 5.

 

[SOMERLED]

Your contention was that they never penetrated the wooden decks. This has been proven to be in error.

Incidentally, if you visit WWII-themed sites, you can find various debates about the way U.S. and U.K. aircraft carriers were constructed.

British carriers used an armoured flight deck while USN ships used a wooden deck. Proponents for the British method point out that the armoured flight deck provides much greater protection for the ship than the wooden flight deck. USN proponents point out that, while the armoured flight deck certainly afforded better protection, the twisted and bent steel of an armoured flight deck caused by a bomb or kamikaze strike was not repairable at sea. Thus, the armoured flight deck ship would be forced back to port for repairs.

The USN carrier, on the other hand, could repair its flight deck at sea. The broken and damaged timbers were cut away, new timbers laid in place, and the ship could be back conducting flight operations within a few hours. The tradeoff was, of course, that the wooden flight deck afforded less protection to the ship and thus the greater chance of a critical hit.

Why should it be? I pointed out your error in categorizing the secrecy around D-Day as trying to fool the Germans into thinking there would be no cross-channel invasion. In fact the Allies were only trying to deceive the Germans as to the location of the invasion. What more is needed?

With regard to using the word never. Wow, I was wrong about that. I should have said, "Once in a couple of thousand times".
You are correct about carriers.
No, I said the Normandy landings were presented to the Germans as a hoax. A diversion for an attack on the Pas de Calaise. You now know this to be correct.

 

[SOMERLED]

Amazingly, you got one right! The baseless fantasy about a bomb going off is indeed irrelevant.

You still haven't acknowledged your demonstrated error regarding the nonexistent "bad boys."

You still haven't shown any errors in the paper written by the avionics tech Apathoid.

You make no mention of over three thousand vapourised innocent office workers.

 

[SOMERLED]

I honestly don't think I have ever seen anyone on this forum be so consistently wrong about so many things.

I mean, even people like ChristopherA got most of the facts about 9/11 correct. Even Killtown has a better track record. The errors on display here are just phenomenal.

-Gumboot

Such as?

 

[SOMERLED]

Andrews AFB is ~10 miles away from the Pentagon. To get from Andrews AFB to the Pentagon in ~10 seconds the average speed of the aircraft would have to be 3600 mph. This means the average speed of the aircraft from the time it lifted off to the time it reached the Pentagon would need to be mach 5. This means that the top speed of the aircraft would have to have been well in excess of mach 5.

The top speed of the fastest fighter is ?

 

[rwguinn]

Andrews AFB is ~10 miles away from the Pentagon. To get from Andrews AFB to the Pentagon in ~10 seconds the average speed of the aircraft would have to be 3600 mph. This means the average speed of the aircraft from the time it lifted off to the time it reached the Pentagon would need to be mach 5. This means that the top speed of the aircraft would have to have been well in excess of mach 5.

Hell--even the original, lightweight F-16 took 29 seconds from brake release to Mach 1--and that was unloaded.

 

[SOMERLED]

It wasn't Atta's passport found near the WTC anyway, it was Satam al-Suqami's. Media reports have frequently misreported it as Atta's, though, as even the CTists have noted. Two other hijacker passports were found in the Flight 93 wreckage. (Note that Atta, al-Suqami and the Flight 93 hijackers were of course not aboard Flight 175, the ostensible topic of this thread.)




Comedy gold, Mal, keep 'em coming.

My pleasure. We'll have even more fun when I find out how to put photos up.

 

[gumboot]

A fighter can get from wheels leaving the tarmac at Andrews AFB, to over the Pentagon in about ten seconds.

I see Arkan_Wolfshade has already covered it, but in a word, no. Again.

-Gumboot

 

[332nd]

I am not familiar with that word.
Indupitably became indubitably because some people have difficulty with correct pronounciation. The same thing happened when pronounciation became pronunciation and aluminium became aluminum. Just lazy really.

Ok, I rarely hear it pronounced indupitablyand I'm from the South but ok.

Now What makes ou think that a Jet can get from Andrews to DC in 10 sec?

 

[CurtC]

I am not familiar with that word.
Indupitably became indubitably because some people have difficulty with correct pronounciation. The same thing happened when pronounciation became pronunciation and aluminium became aluminum. Just lazy really.

I find this highly dupious.

 

[SOMERLED]

Malcolm Kirkman should become the High Chancellor of the 9-11 Truth Movemant. His clarity, grasp of the facts, and understanding of science makes him an excellent candidate for Truther Emporer. Anyone agree?

That's very generous of you, modesty forbids that I accept. I think Alex Jones, Rosie O'D, Charlie sheen, Aaron Russo, The Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice, Kucinich, Ron Paul, Dylan Avery of course, Bob Bowman, Stepen Jones, Cindy Sheehan, David Ray Griffin, Kevin Barrett, Killtown of course.
There are just so many, that I couldn't possibly accept. I've only been involved for a few weeks, people like Lori Price have been battling the MSM for years. Pilots for 9/11 truth, The Penta Con, Study of 911, 911 Truth, the sites alone would take hours to type out.
I am moved, but I couldn't possibly accept.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

The top speed of the fastest fighter is ?

F-22 Mach 1.7-2.0
F18: Mach 1.80-1.88
F16: Mach 1.95-2.01
F15: Mach 2.5
F14: Mach 2-2.34
depending on source


Top 10 fastest aircraft:
[table=""]#|Plane|Top Speed|Max. Altitude
1.
|X-43 (Unmanned)|Mach 9.8|110,000 feet
2.
|X-15|Mach 6.72|354,200 feet
The X-15 is the fastest manned aircraft in the world.
3.
|SR-71 Blackbird (YF-12)|Mach 3.2+|85,000+ feet
The SR-71 Blackbird is the fastest airplane in the world.
4.
|MiG-25R Foxbat-B|Mach 3.2|123,524 feet
4.
|X-2|Mach 3.2|126,200 feet
5.
|XB-70 Valkyrie|Mach 3.1|77,350 feet
6.
|MiG-31 Foxhound|Mach 2.8|367,600 feet
7.
|MiG-25 Foxbat (Ye-155)|Mach 2.8|118,900 feet
8.
|F-15 Eagle|Mach 2.5|60,000 feet
8.
|F-111 Aardvark|Mach 2.5|60,000+ feet
9.
|X-1|Mach 2.435|90,440 feet
10.
|Su-24 Fencer|Mach 2.4|57,400 feet|[/table]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2666163

 

[beachnut]

That's very generous of you, modesty forbids that I accept. I think Alex Jones, Rosie O'D, Charlie sheen, Aaron Russo, The Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice, Kucinich, Ron Paul, Dylan Avery of course, Bob Bowman, Stepen Jones, Cindy Sheehan, David Ray Griffin, Kevin Barrett, Killtown of course.
There are just so many, that I couldn't possibly accept. I've only been involved for a few weeks, people like Lori Price have been battling the MSM for years. Pilots for 9/11 truth, The Penta Con, Study of 911, 911 Truth, the sites alone would take hours to type out.
I am moved, but I couldn't possibly accept.

I think you are at least a good as Charlie Sheen and Rosie.

You are as good as all of the people you mentioned. Better. Bravo

 

[SOMERLED]

Ok, I rarely hear it pronounced indupitablyand I'm from the South but ok.

Now What makes ou think that a Jet can get from Andrews to DC in 10 sec?

I originally said thirty seconds, to be told obtusely, that it takes five minutes to warm up etc. I then said about ten seconds. We are now in the process of agreeing a time. When that agreement is reached, I will use it as an example of the inner ring of steel that protects the Pentagon. The outer ring consists of the likes of Fort George G Meade, which I know well.
I will then highlight the impossibility of anything flying, to get near me in my deckchair on th Pentagon roof. Because such an intruder would have to get through two rings of steel not one. Thus highlighting the idiocy of the official account. Such an intruder would have to cover the distance between Meade and the Pentagon faster than our soon to be agreed time for defence from Andrews to arrive.
I will not be available for the rest of today, as I will be paying my respects on the events of 63 years ago today. Tomorrow I will be attending the funeral of an Arnhem veteran, Tommy Brindley. A man I knew very well and respected greatly. I may be a little bit closer to the events we discuss, than some of you.
I'll sure you'll be able to check on the veracity of that statement. You seem not to take anyone's word for anything, a sad state of affairs.
By the way, I was being kind when I said the OSS put graphite in the waggons that were to carry the Das Reich to Normandy, it was SOE.

 

[SOMERLED]

I find this highly dupious.

Now you're cooking on gas, very good.

 

[jsfisher]

I am not familiar with that word.
Indupitably became indubitably because some people have difficulty with correct pronounciation. The same thing happened when pronounciation became pronunciation and aluminium became aluminum. Just lazy really.

I suppose it is easier to just makes things up than get the facts straight.

By the way, 'indubitably' comes from the Middle English, 'indubitabyll,' and from the Latin, 'indubitabilis,' (from 'dubitabilis' meaning 'dubitable'). You may notice there is no 'p' in the bunch, but there'd be no reason to expect there would unless one had foolishly associated 'indubitably' with the word, 'dupe.'

 

[Tirdun]

You've missed one out,
121, Over three thousand innocent office workers allowed to go work inside a ready to explode giant bomb, then vapourised.Irrelevant.

Argument from Incredulity, Unverified.

This certainly matches your pattern of argument over the extended course of this thread. You make an unsupported claim, ridicule anyone who counters, ignore evidence to the contrary, refuse to accept actual expertise on the subject, pepper the argument with anti-Semitic nonsense and claims of NWO interference and then move on. Your only counter seems to be "I don't believe it, Cheney was somehow involved, therefore it isn't true".

I also doubt the 121 number. I stopped at 1000 because I was tired of typing "Argument from Incredulity" last night.

The point is, you've yet to support any of your claims, from the original set of 20 all the way up through the tangents displaying your ignorance of WWII history.

 

[MortFurd]

These 'chips' that they want to start sticking in people. I've heard they can make such 'chips' as small as a speck of dust. Have you any info on that?

What "chips" that who wants to start sticking in people?

 

[Brainache]

I originally said thirty seconds, to be told obtusely, that it takes five minutes to warm up etc. I then said about ten seconds. We are now in the process of agreeing a time. When that agreement is reached, I will use it as an example of the inner ring of steel that protects the Pentagon. The outer ring consists of the likes of Fort George G Meade, which I know well.
I will then highlight the impossibility of anything flying, to get near me in my deckchair on th Pentagon roof. Because such an intruder would have to get through two rings of steel not one. Thus highlighting the idiocy of the official account. Such an intruder would have to cover the distance between Meade and the Pentagon faster than our soon to be agreed time for defence from Andrews to arrive.
....

So is Reagan International airport inside or outside these rings of steel? Just asking because I heard that planes occasionally land there and was wondering if they all have to dodge fighter planes and missiles. If so I think I might avoid flying to Washington.

 

[Belz...]

Foisted on your own petard, don't you think?

An error in every sentence.

"Maybe" isn't good enough with so much at stake.

This is getting ridiculous. Your own hypothesis is full of "maybe's". Also, if you had any reading comprehension whatsoever, you'd know what the "maybe" meant in my sentence.

It is beneath my dignity to reply to this point.

I reply that they have only few pilots and that one hasn't had a job for quite a while, and it isn't worth your time to check this out ? Wow. You're quite the "researcher", aren't you ?

Intelligent deduction.

Deduction ? There are litterally dozens of places where your alledged plane could have been modified, and you decide, out of the blue, that that's where it happened ? That's not intelligent deduction, that's delusion. You're just making stuff up as you go.

That would depend upon the circumstances.

Thank you. You've just admitted that the "weaker" material isn't always the one to break in a collision. I guess now you know that an aluminium plane can blast through a steel facade.

The only way we could have been thrown back into the sea was if panzers came down from the Pas de Calaise or came up from Italy in time. Had either happened we would have bombed the southern panzers into extinction before they could get back south and invaded the south of France.

Again, you're avoiding the question, Malcolm. You have been cornered on this issue and are desperatly trying to escape.


Here's the question again: WAS D-Day a hoax ? Was it a REAL attack, or a FAKE attack ?