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[Moderated]175 did NOT hit the South tower.

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Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Kenjutsu, iaido, iaijutsu, or other?
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Iaido with a hint of kendo, but some people call our style iaijutsu just to be difficult.

Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu, along with the Zen Ken Ren of the International Kendo Federation, if any of that means anything to you.

:)
 
Horatius said:
Iaido with a hint of kendo, but some people call our style iaijutsu just to be difficult.
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So, drawing and striking as part of meditation/focus with some sparring? Coolies

Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu, along with the Zen Ken Ren of the International Kendo Federation, if any of that means anything to you.

:)
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Not that versed I fear. Something I've always been interested in pursuing but have yet to follow through on.
 
malcolm kirkman said:
My pleasure, one is very heavily armoured. I leave you to work out which is which.
If you require further and better details of that armour, let me refer you to my previous posts.
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I can't resist. You don't happen to have a spec. or two? The armor is to punch through buildings, right?
 
DGM said:
I can't resist. You don't happen to have a spec. or two? The armor is to punch through buildings, right?
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Armoured aircraft... the only aircraft that was armoured to any significant extent that I can recall offhand would be the A-10 Thunderbolt II, more commonly known as the Warthog. But given it was intended for low-level strafing runs against Soviet tanks, having it be heavily armoured was a natural design choice.
 
Corsair 115 said:
Armoured aircraft... the only aircraft that was armoured to any significant extent that I can recall offhand would be the A-10 Thunderbolt II, more commonly known as the Warthog. But given it was intended for low-level strafing runs against Soviet tanks, having it be heavily armoured was a natural design choice.
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And at that the A-10's armour is mostly around the pilot.
 
malcolm kirkman said:
I agree with the moron bit. Big of you to own up.
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That's it? The best he can do is go for the obvious 6th-grade insult? I expected much better from a Mensite.

Oh, okay. Sigh. Hang on.


OW! Oh, my poor widdle ego is all bruised, you big mean bully! I'm gonna tell Ur Mom!


There. That ought to have made him happy.
 
The Boeing C-32 is the designation of a United States Air Force passenger transportation aircraft, a military version of the Boeing 757.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_C-32
Safety features on the aircraft include a Flight Management System (FMS) with integrated, non-precision approach capable Global Positioning Service (GPS); windshear warning integrated with the Ground Proximity Warning System (GPWS); Traffic Alert and Collision Avoidance Systems (TCAS) and the most-capable flight data and voice recorders available.
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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/c-32.htm

Evidence of armor/shielding: none
 
Ah! He's already said that he doesn't need any inconveniently absent evidence - all he needs are his suspicions.
 
Corsair 115 said:
Once again, you are referring to the mechanics of the hijacking. That is not what we were discussing.

I want to know what made it improbable or impossible for the aircraft to have been navigated to New York City. We can discuss the mechanics of taking over the aircraft after we have dispensed with the navigation issue.
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There is nothing improbable or impossible about a plane being navigated to NYC, it happens all the time.
Having dispensed with all other considerations, we now have our moslem hijacker behind the controls of the plane.
Before I carry on, let me emphasise that my main point, in all this, is which plan would be chosen. I'll let you be the judge. You have a tried and tested remote controlled delivery from me. You have some nonsense about hijackers taking planes over and doing the job that way.
I offer you rock hard military planes, the others a tin civilian job.
It is with this background in mind, that when you consider all the imponderables in Plan B, you begin to realise that no one would agree to it.
It's Occum's razor on steroids.
There are so many things that can potentially go wrong.
Now, we'll look at the navigation.
You can't be sure of the hand held GPS. You can't even be sure you'll get it on board. Clowns on here would have you believe that security was non existant before 9/11, that's rubbish. There had been plenty of hijacks and measures were in place.
You can't guarantee the use of a GPS. Now you're on your own. Wise guys say head for the smoke.
So for these purposes, we'll take flight 11. I've got al the passengers and crew out of the way. You're in the driving seat. Unfortunately, after all the kerfuffle we're heading in the general direction of Canada and NYC is a couple of hundred miles somewhere astern and getting further away by the minute.
The first thing you've gotta do, is turn this baby around and head what?
Will it be 45 east or 55 or what?
Will that be from magnetic north or true north or what?
While you're working out how to turn this sucker around, tell me what your heading will be, when we've turned?
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_C-32
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/c-32.htm

Evidence of armor/shielding: none
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When you grow up and ditch the dickie bow, somebody will tell you the meaning of words such as 'secret' and 'classified'. You see, it's not always a clever thing to broadcast what your armour is. Some nasty person might work out a way to get through it. There be a few more nasties like that to learn, especially when you learn about politicians and banksters.
 
malcolm kirkman said:
Unfortunately, after all the kerfuffle we're heading in the general direction of Canada and NYC is a couple of hundred miles somewhere astern and getting further away by the minute.
The first thing you've gotta do, is turn this baby around and head what?
Will it be 45 east or 55 or what?
Will that be from magnetic north or true north or what?
While you're working out how to turn this sucker around, tell me what your heading will be, when we've turned?
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I see two white towers off in the distance, standing tall against the horizon. I point the nose towards them and hit the throttle.
 
malcolm kirkman said:
I'll gladly start taking orders from you, just as soon as you stop using 'and' next to a comma and stop starting a sentence with 'And', never mind a paragraph.
You know how hard it can be, taking orders from someone, who is clearly not as well educated as yourself.
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This is delicious! Well, it is to me. This sort of thing is my meat and drink.

Someone please make/find a lolcat of a kitten with a big, wide, eye-closing yawn and the caption, "STILL WRONG!" I promise to get tons of use from it.
 
malcolm kirkman said:
A miltary 757/767 is made out of different materials thana civilian 757/767.
There is not much call for armour plating, when you are ferrying civilians about.
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:D I remember being five years old and thinking military hardware was SO AWESOME too...

The smallest Boeing 767 has a fuselage 48.5 m long and 4.72 m in diameter. Modeling this as a cylinder and neglecting the ends, this totals to 848.6 m2 of surface area.

Suppose this is all armored with 1 cm thick steel, which is not particularly good armor -- my hunting rifle would easily penetrate it at over 400 meters -- and there is no armor whatsoever applied to the rest of the aircraft.

This gives us 8.486 m3 of steel applique. Steel has a specific density of approximately 7.8, therefore this has a mass of 66,190 kg. In other words, the armor would weigh 46% of the maximum take-off weight.

Please seek mental help. This is my last post to you ever, and I encourage others to stop taunting you.
 
malcolm kirkman said:
When you grow up and ditch the dickie bow, somebody will tell you the meaning of words such as 'secret' and 'classified'. You see, it's not always a clever thing to broadcast what your armour is. Some nasty person might work out a way to get through it. There be a few more nasties like that to learn, especially when you learn about politicians and banksters.
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Just curious. What's your security clearance?
 
R.Mackey said:
:D I remember being five years old and thinking military hardware was SO AWESOME too...

The smallest Boeing 767 has a fuselage 48.5 m long and 4.72 m in diameter. Modeling this as a cylinder and neglecting the ends, this totals to 848.6 m2 of surface area.

Suppose this is all armored with 1 cm thick steel, which is not particularly good armor -- my hunting rifle would easily penetrate it at over 400 meters -- and there is no armor whatsoever applied to the rest of the aircraft.

This gives us 8.486 m3 of steel applique. Steel has a specific density of approximately 7.8, therefore this has a mass of 66,190 kg. In other words, the armor would weigh 46% of the maximum take-off weight.

Please seek mental help. This is my last post to you ever, and I encourage others to stop taunting you.
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Okay, I will. He's getting pretty tiresome, anyway.

Bye, Unka Malcolm. Dad says I have to go!
 
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