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[Moderated]175 did NOT hit the South tower.

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malcolm kirkman said:
I die at the hands of a six stone weakling with shoulders like cotton, not really.
BTW, suppose they couldn't get in the cabin right away. The pilot could have the plane on the groung in two minutes. Even an aenemic stewardess wouldn't bleed to death from a razor slash in that time span = end of hijack = would Rockefeller go with your plan or mine?
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you seem to think the hijackers wouldnt have proceeded unless there was a 110% chance of success, but when is life ever that certain? you could fall and break your neck just by getting out of bed in the morning, so would you take that risk or just stay under the covers all day?

and, despite being begging hte question, i think even rockefeler would go with the hijacking scenario, even if it fails as you say its still a terrorist attack, what happens if soemthing goes wrong with your plan? you know, like some random guys on the internet figuring the whole thing out?
 
malcolm kirkman said:
I die at the hands of a six stone weakling with shoulders like cotton, not really.
BTW, suppose they couldn't get in the cabin right away. The pilot could have the plane on the groung in two minutes. Even an aenemic stewardess wouldn't bleed to death from a razor slash in that time span = end of hijack = would Rockefeller go with your plan or mine?
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On the ground in two minutes? From 35,000ft? That's 290ft per second, or 200MPH. Straight down.

(And that doesn't allow for time to actually land).

-Gumboot
 
malcolm kirkman said:
I die at the hands of a six stone weakling with shoulders like cotton, not really.
BTW, suppose they couldn't get in the cabin right away. The pilot could have the plane on the groung in two minutes. Even an aenemic stewardess wouldn't bleed to death from a razor slash in that time span = end of hijack = would Rockefeller go with your plan or mine?
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Suppose that they were Klingons and actually swallowed the airplane whole in a cloaked ship?
Suppose a meteor hit the cockpit just before they took over?
Suppose wishful thinking could solve all the world's probelms.
SOP was to give the hijackers what they wanted, avoid injury to anyone o the plane, and hit the hijack button on the transponder. If several folks threatened crew with deadly force, and claimed to have a bomb--you let them in.
That was SOP up to and including 9/11/01
It had always worked before.
 
malcolm kirkman said:
I die at the hands of a six stone weakling with shoulders like cotton, not really.
BTW, suppose they couldn't get in the cabin right away. The pilot could have the plane on the ground in two minutes. Even an aenemic stewardess wouldn't bleed to death from a razor slash in that time span = end of hijack = would Rockefeller go with your plan or mine?
How can you be SURE nothing would go wrong?
How can Rockefeller be sure?
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You just make this stuff up, don't you?

Rather than idle speculation, do you have actual evidence of any of your claims?
 
gumboot said:
On the ground in two minutes? From 35,000ft? That's 290ft per second, or 200MPH. Straight down.

(And that doesn't allow for time to actually land).

-Gumboot
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It's called an emergency landing. Would five minutes make you happier?
How could you be sure the pilot wouldn't do that?
 
Uhh, Malcolm... before we get to the inherent dangers of shark-infested custard, you do realize that the sun wouldn't be setting at 0900 EDT - not on the west coast, not in Alaska, not no where in North America. You seem to be challenged by weather and meteorological phenomena.

And why would a remote-controlled plane (remember? you said it was another remote controlled plane) need to get bearings off the setting sun? Wouldn't Raytheon know where the Pacifiic Ocean is?

Isn't it like well past your bed time? Didn't Mommie tell you that if you stayed up all night again playing with the grown ups that she'd have to take you back to see Dr. Taylor at the bad place, again? You don't want to have to stay away from Mommie for a long time again, do you? Who'll bring you your marmite on toast in the morning?
 
malcolm kirkman said:
No thanks, I only read factual books. I find fiction childish.
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Then you should have no difficultly providing a logically consistent, evidence based example of an error of fact contained within the 9/11 Commission Report.

Additionally, assuming that the Commission report is "fiction" without having read it, is one of the most blatant examples of confirmation bias I've seen demonstrated on this, or any, forum.
 
malcolm kirkman said:
It's called an emergency landing. Would five minutes make you happier?
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200mph down sounds more like a crash landing than an emergency landing (i think 93 was goign about that fast downward when it crashed)

How could you be sure the pilot wouldn't do that?
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why would you have to be sure? is anythign ever sure? how can you manage to get yourself out of bed in the morning with all the uncertainty in the world (let alone elave your house, but i wouldnt be surprised if you never do that)

hey, your on the internet right now, how can you be sure you arent being hacked and your identity stolen? better unplug right now!!
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
That question makes absolutely no sense.
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The question makes perfect sense, it's just that you can't answer it.
You said a certain event didn't happen.
I ask again.
How could you be sure beforehand, how things would pan out.
The answer is you couldn't. You couldn't be sure.
Consequently no one would okay your plan.
 
malcolm kirkman said:
It's called an emergency landing. Would five minutes make you happier?
How could you be sure the pilot wouldn't do that?
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How about you provide an independent source, that can be corroborated, on the time it takes to make an emergency landing; rather than pulling numbers out of your nether region.
 
malcolm kirkman said:
I die at the hands of a six stone weakling with shoulders like cotton, not really.
BTW, suppose they couldn't get in the cabin right away. The pilot could have the plane on the groung in two minutes. Even an aenemic stewardess wouldn't bleed to death from a razor slash in that time span = end of hijack = would Rockefeller go with your plan or mine?
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You really are an idiot aren't you?

None of the hijackers were 6 stone weaklings. ALL of them had gone through Al Qaeda military training, part of which was specifically designed on how to hijack an aircraft. What part of that do you not understand. Do you need me to type it in smaller words for you?

What part of "crews were told to cooperate with Hijackers" don't you understand. This was FAA policy pre-9/11. Why? Because until 9/11 the hijackers would demand to have the plane landed somewhere and then the authorities would deal with the situation on the ground. Find one hijacking previous to 9/11 where the passangers or crew fought the Hijackers while the plane was in the air? Go on, just one.

Next. Death occures in almost instantly when both external julars are servered. Interestingly this is exactly how Islamic sacrifices are done. A boxcutter is easily sufficent to slice through those viens. There is no way for a plane to be landed before the Stewardess was dead, apart from the fact it's physically impossible to land a 767 or 757 in two minutes.
 
malcolm kirkman said:
The question makes perfect sense, it's just that you can't answer it.
You said a certain event didn't happen.
I ask again.
How could you be sure beforehand, how things would pan out.
The answer is you couldn't. You couldn't be sure.
Consequently no one would okay your plan.
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You logic defies logic.
 
malcolm kirkman said:
It's called an emergency landing. Would five minutes make you happier?
How could you be sure the pilot wouldn't do that?
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Because pilots aren't in the habit of committing suicide. And flying into the ground vertically at 200 MPH is not an "emergency landing". It will leave nothing but a hole and confetti that used to be the aircraft and everything/one on board.

-Gumboot
 
malcolm kirkman said:
The question makes perfect sense, it's just that you can't answer it.
You said a certain event didn't happen.
I ask again.
How could you be sure beforehand, how things would pan out.
The answer is you couldn't. You couldn't be sure.
Consequently no one would okay your plan.
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the same applies to you, how can you be certain everything will work out?

that no one notices the missing military planes

none of the passenger get away before being killed

no one involved comes forward

no one on the internet uncovers the whole plot


consequently, no one would ok your plan
 
defaultdotxbe said:
200mph down sounds more like a crash landing than an emergency landing (i think 93 was goign about that fast downward when it crashed)


why would you have to be sure? is anythign ever sure? how can you manage to get yourself out of bed in the morning with all the uncertainty in the world (let alone elave your house, but i wouldnt be surprised if you never do that)

hey, your on the internet right now, how can you be sure you arent being hacked and your identity stolen? better unplug right now!!
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You would have to be sure if someone was going to OK your plan.
A plane had to hit the south tower, otherwise all the bombing prep would stand to get discovered etc.
A plane had to hit. You've just admitted the hijack bit can't be sure.
Whereas my remote controlled lift off and delivery can be guaranteed.
My plan can be guaranteed to work, your's can't = my plan is adopted.
The hijack boloney was all the cover up and nothing else.
 
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